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Humbling isn't it?

Actually, the leaders of the clans he got these practices from told him that these are the highest practices in their systems. Max's teacher was Andrew Lum whose teacher was the grand master of Mao Shan. His name was Lum Dai Young. He was famous in Hawaii for his siddhas. He started the Gee Yung school in Hawaii. All martial art masters in Hawaii know of these masters. Red Phoenix is the family tradition that leads to Gold Dragon. Max spent 29 years with the Lum family to receive this. Andrew Lum is well known in the Hawaiian and Chinese circles as a traditional Shang Ching (Mao Shan) Taoist. Lum Dai Young is kneeling in center. Andrew Lum (Max's Sifu) is a young boy standing to the left of him. (Just a little more background for those of you who need to know).

From Jakara' date='Jan 11 2008, 11:56 AM post='48497' (the post that started this discussion) Even though many of these issues have been addressed and answered, I will oblige you. My answers are in red. "Max Christensen is not out to make money, the teachings are free. You are your own teacher, you can do it by yourself." - The book costs $15, which is not an unreasonable price for a book, but this part is what gets me... Website: NOTE: This book is a great way to familiarize yourself with Kunlun, but to get the most from your practice you must have the ability transferred to you by Lama Dorje(!). Then you can perform the exercises to unlock what you have been given. This is best used as a companion to the seminars. - So I cant really learn from the book and practice effectively. The seminars (which cost $300 each) are an essential part of the program, along with the "initiation" so really im not my own teacher. Taking these into account it only takes 20 or so people to make $6000 for 4 hours work - 1 seminar. You can learn from the book and have a lot of success. It comes down to how much you can let go and fall into the feeling and then allow the feeling to guide you through your own internal world. If you want to go all of the way as in tradition, you would receive the transfer which connects you with the lineage. The masters of the lineage then help you with your evolution. Many here have experienced this already. Also, seminars are two days (8 hours of instruction), plus a free lecture the night before. $300 is not a lot of money for what you are getting. Some people pay a hell of a lot more for shit information. These are the highest practices of their respective systems, really. Putting on a seminar isn't free, and no one makes you go. There is a significant overhead with all of the travel, lodging, meeting room rental, bookstore rental, vehicle rental, food, gas, employee wages, etc. so it can't be free. Sorry. We haven't had anyone yet who has been to a seminar, complain about the price. They know the value of what they've received. Many consider it priceless. "Max does not want followers:" - Then why create a system, write a book on it, make a website on it, do seminars on it and publicise it on the radio? To share it with the world. It is a practice that empowers people so that they don't need a teacher. They become their own teacher. That's the "no follower" part. Also, Max didn't create the Kunlun system, it already existed for hundreds of years. Max was able to bring the divided elements of the root practice back together though with Kunlun and Red Phoenix, to offer the complete system. Kunlun had one part, Mao Shan had the other. The two groups don't historically get along. "The results actually work, bliss can be felt, just try the practice for yourself!" - I have to pay money to try this practice, get initiationand travel to seminars. I can achieve a state of bliss by manipulating my body in certain ways, but this isn't enlightenment. Many have reported bliss feeling, im not questioning that, but feeling bliss is not part of the daoist tradition, it creates attachment to feelings. Here is another way you can learn: Travel to China, find someone who will translate for you (and travel with you) as you search for a teacher who has this system. Become accepted by the teacher (if you are white you better have a damn bright aura or forget it). Spend years going through their tests. Master their tests. Then pray that they find you worthy enough to leak the first hint of how to do Kunlun properly. Then you could continue to travel until you find a Mao Shan sorcerer who is willing to part with the highest practice in their system (Red Phoenix)... I'll stop this scenario here because anyone who knows anything about Mao Shan knows that there is no way in hell you will get a thing from them. Golden Flower? You won't find the key to that either. A lot of info, but not the key. I hope you are getting my point. The fact is that you cannot otherwise find these teachings anywhere. Whole armies died for the Golden Flower alone. Most Chinese don't think Westerners can or should do these practices. Fortunately, Max's teachers liked him and recognized him from past connections, so they shared practices with him that they didn't even give to their own children, knowing that he would share them with the West. These arts are dying out in China. The government forbids these things from being taught and many masters are being eliminated, once found. Feeling bliss is feeling the divine. It's very nature is bliss and void. Attachment to the feeling is discouraged but nature takes care of this by itself because it becomes more subtle and refined with time. Opening to the Tao and your true nature is the ultimate objective. Scientific claims: "Practitioner will continue to do Level I practice in Level II. The purpose of this level is to generate and circulate magnetic energy through the body. When the energy is at its highest, magnetic power is able to flow through the body. " - Have you taken a hall probe to measure this effect and verify it is magnetic? Its easily insertable into various cavaties of the human body to make internal measurments of magnetic fields. The Chinese government in Beijing have a device that can measure this. It different from an electronically produced field. Make a chi ball between your palms and while you can feel the magnetic field ask yourself if you think the energy is a typical kind of magnetic energy. "Technically, a black hole absorbs matter into a rotating vortex of magnetic energy. However, a black hole also emits waves and particles into space. One can use this form of energy for his personal awakening. This form of radiation from the "black hole" is called ultraviolet-three and is only found in the depth of space, or in objects such as meteorites. This radiation does not travel through the earth because of the earth's protective magnetic field will not allow ultraviolet-three to penetrate to the earth's surface." - Where is the evidence for this? Conveniently we can't find a black hole to test it. Theres no such thing as ultraviolet-three radiation. How do you know its found in meteorites, have you opened one up? Even if it can't penetrate the Earth's surface, why haven't satellite based instruments detected it? Refer to past articles of Scientific American. They discuss it there. "Celestial Chi Gung is a sitting meditation that allows one to tap into the energy of the universe via black hole. " - I doubt that was the explanation given by the ancient masters who invented it. They referred to these points as the "dark light." It's the same concept. A powerfully attracting cool radiance. They discovered a way to pull the power from a vacuum. "As you become more clear, you become more magnetic. " - Should I worry about metal objects flying randomly towards me as I ascend towards enlightenment? Only if you are playing in traffic. "The video samples show people being affected by Max's energy. Can this energy be applied to anybody? Nothing is being done without people's permission. In fact, if someone is consciously aware of this type of energy being directed at them they can usually close themselves to it." - This is a typical trick proven with modern psychological methods. You have to believe you are going to be manipulated and then you are. If you don't belive nothing happens. Theres no mystical energy involved here. This energy can be applied to anybody who has opened up their energetic system. That is why a lot of first timers who have done lots of chi gung or Reiki or other energy work, respond so quickly. The same reason women respond quicker than men. Women are more open than men, in general. The fun part is during seminars when you come up from behind someone and start to transfer the energy. They have no idea you are there but yet they still respond. I did this all morning today. "These can be proven scientifically. Quantum physicsists understand but can't apply it. There's free energy" We are referring to the internal application of quantum physics. Tapping the "zero-point" vacuum points (bindus) in the body to awaken dormant abilities (siddhas) and become more able to dissolve into the divine (Gold Dragon Body). This is currently happening for many Kunlun practitioners and we have a few who are at the Gold Dragon level. What is at the center of a black hole? The sun? The three dan tiens? A vacuum. How do you get the energy from a vacuum? Ancient Chinese secret... My apologies if I seem over cynical, its not my intention to cause an argument or insult anyone, but there should be some questions given the amount of people on this forum asking about these methods. As I said most of these questions have already been answered over the past six months if you'll check, but when I have the time I will try to answer whatever questions I can. Hope this helps.

Get out of the head and go into the heart. Heart is unity.

No. This is Kunlun:

Here is the funny thing about the whole question of this topic: everyone who has tried it gets it, those who haven't don't. What else needs to be said?

Ya know dude, it is REAL easy to answer all of the questions that have been driving you crazy by trying it yourself. That is what the intelligent, curious people do. They rely on their own experience. Everyone else who has, now knows. It's so good. You'll probably never know, though. I certainly can't provide the experience for you with this keyboard, so It's probably best that you quit flinging your jing demanding answers that can only be found through direct experience.

OK, kids. The jig is up. Kunlun is in fact a complete fabrication and actually does nothing. Max has fooled over 4000 people world wide. He even recently fooled the highest Tibetan Rinpoche that exists on Earth. Bear in mind that this Tibetan man is a Mahasiddha, but even he was tricked. A Mahasiddha is someone who has all of the highest attainments available to a human being and they can see everything. Actually, I am just kidding. Max is the real deal for the 47 millionth time.

To clarify, it is the rapid clearing of your internal blocks or mental illusions that keep you from awakening to your true nature, that is referred to with the "100 years" statement. If there is another system that does this then that is great. Siddhas are not as important as awakening. There is aware, awake and enlightened, Aware is knowing that there is a potential for enlightenment. Awake means that you are on a path leading to enlightenment. Enlightenment is to realize that you are awake. There are many forms of enlightenment. Anyone who claims to be enlightened is probably not.

We don't do what we do for the money or for fame. If those things happen as a side effect of this practice becoming popularized around the world that is fine. It really won't change much for us as people. When Max is done touring his goal is to maintain a very simple life, like he has always done. As I have said Max is extremely humble, especially for what he knows and can do. Kunlun is just one of literally hundreds of practices he has been given. He respects other systems that exist and knows they have merit. The path may be slower but that is what is right for some people. We happen to be a group of practitioners who are ready for the quick-quick path. Kunlun works as many of you know. It does a whole lot for such a simple practice. The higher Nei Gung practices are even simpler and even more powerful. When people like Starjumper barge into a forum and start telling everyone in there who is immersed in intelligent exchange, that they are stupid and that their teacher is, "da best they ever made", it really only hurts their own image. Tao Bums are not stupid. There are brilliant minds here and many of them are very advanced practitioners. They deserve respect. Humility and purity of intent are qualities to look for with a good teacher.

Yes we are really all going through the Tibetan system. We are even wearing robes as an acknowledgment of our commitment. So from now on when you see us at a seminar you will see Chubas and other attire. Meeting the Mahasidda was incredible. He could answer everyone's questions without even having us ask them verbally. Amazing. When Max looked at him energetically all he could see was a whirlpool of light.

What you see as "shlock" is really just a very understandable failure on your part to grasp the true essence of what this practice can do. Our simple "stupid" method is actually a very effective way to align your mental, physical, and spiritual bodies, leading to the experience of divine harmony that extends into the void, or Tao. What we refer to as Kunlun is actually just another name for divine mind. What that means is that there is an energy you can access that is not chi, but more like divine will. As you develop in your practice, you can access, project and direct this energy to others to help them open up or heal. You raise your own vibrational rate or, more correctly, you match the divine harmonic energy that is inherent in all of us and then apply it to others. This is our nei gung.: tapping the zero-point energy in the body. But there is an additional component to this simple form that is not readily seen and appreciated, but is the key to getting the most out of Kunlun: the transfer. The knowledge and ability to awaken your dormant potential is transferred to you from the teacher directly, as it has been for hundreds of years. It's like planting a seed. Practicing the Kunlun method then cultivates this seed very quickly to reveal its fruit. The transfer not only opens you to the divine, it also connects you directly with the lineage of those who have mastered these arts before you and with those who brought it to this realm. These masters then work with you to assist your evolution. That is why you read so many testimonials of people having powerful experiences. There is a lot behind it all. Now, I don't know if that sounded like a bunch of New Age drivel to you or what , but if you had really gotten somewhere with your own practice of thirty some years, you would know exactly what I was talking about and be able to elaborate on the process, but at this point I really don't think you can. For example: The shaking in our method is not intentional. The shaking is a result of the practitioner letting go and allowing the body's own reset process to perform it's duty of realignment and balance. You don't consciously move your legs. You misunderstood step one of the Kunlun process and I don't say that to be "in your face" about it, it's just to illustrate that you don't actually understand. That's OK because I know what this stuff looks like from the outside, it is crazy, but because it is clear that you don't have much experience in these realms it would be better for you to take a step back from your wealth of knowledge to see that somehow you have missed something along the way: the key to unlocking your own mystery. Does your teacher have this key? If you believe he does, then why has he held it back from you? On top of misunderstanding the practice, nothing you've said about Max is true. He is in fact very knowledgeable and experienced in many areas and on many levels. Everyone here who has actually met him and then read your posts can see that you obviously don't know who you are talking about. So, I think the best way to describe your response to our school is, "loud confusion." There are many people here who are far beyond your scope of experience. You should respect others more and accept the possibility that you might not actually know everything. I know I sure don't. Once you get past that mindset, you might start to see how amazing you really are. Also, your machiavellian attempts to divide people into battling groups rather than keep minds open and neutral here, is really not good for the forum or the world. Actually, it is one of our biggest problems here on Earth: the illusion of separation. We're all just waves on the ocean. Ultimately, our illusory self returns to the whole from which it was never truly separate. Learning from direct experience with the Tao is very fun and VERY humbling. It definitely makes you a nicer person. Good luck with your deal.

All very true. I think a part of the problem is that it is human nature to aggressively defend your own world, be that your family, country, or knowledge. All I know is that we always show respect for other schools, because we understand that all is learning and the fact that you are even looking into spiritual evolution is a very good and not so common thing. More of this is better. If there is a new technique that we come across, we try it to see the effect and either incorporate it or let it go. Many schools have much to offer. Max even still learns from others. We ended the year by spending the weekend with the highest known Tibetan spiritual master. He is a true Mahasiddha and spent over an hour meeting with Max about Kunlun and Rainbow Body. We are all still recovering from that meeting. Things are very different for us now. The Mahasiddha recognized the Kunlun as a very effective method that he wants us to share with his people. The Ngondro and other Tibetan techniques are things we will incorporate into our practice. Cross pollination is a very healthy thing. If you can back off from an arrogant position you allow new enriching possibilities that will take you further than you could have gotten alone. We never stop learning.

We are possibly looking at an event in New Jersey the first weekend of April, right before we take off to Europe. We'll keep you posted.

Yeah, Trunk is the man. I found some really good stuff there too.

All good.

Starhumper7. The nei gung master who has yet to master his own ego.

Did this guy actually say his teacher could beat up my teacher? Jesus Christ, what are we, ten? People are funny.

Mindful=block Let go=flow

It just depends on how much juice you want before you leave. The seminar is designed to provide the direct transfer and allow the practitioner to benefit from the powerful group energy experience. One seminar is really all you need to get the correct teaching, transfer and understanding. After that, you are a self-sufficient, enlightenment machine.

It is just for activating. When you feel the Kunlun open up you can let it all go.

Does basking in the divine have anything to do with spirituality? Does removing the illusionary "blocks" that create a false sense of separation from one's divine true nature have anything to do with spirituality? What we actually do has EVERYTHING to do with spirituality and practically NOTHING to do with "super-natural" powers.

You don't need to maintain the arm position for the whole hour. Just hold it long enough to activate the energy, then you can place your hands on your knees or whatever.

Yep, you can sign up at the door if you want. No problem. See you there!

The higher you go in Taoism the simpler and more powerful the practices become. Most people can't understand that, but as you practice you realize it is true. It comes down to essence. The root. Getting rid of that which is extra and unnecessary. Ultimately awakening becomes as simple as a single thought. That is why some seem to attain it in an instant.