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I just spent a couple of days with Jenny. She is glad people are excited about her seminar. She will be more free in the next year to teach. Here is a clip from about a year ago. It shows Max teasing her about being a "violent" Buddhist (she had just thrown a play kick at him). It also shows him demonstrating to her the results from mixing the Kunlun with the Maoshan methods. His demo is on Chi Gung Master, Kan from Japan, whom many of you have met. I thought you might find it interesting. Enjoy. http://www.kunlunbliss.com/MaxJennyLA.mov

Sure he will talk with you, but if your intention isn't right he'll teach you nothing. Be sure you are cool. Just tug his sleeve during a break. See you there, Chris

Lum is an amazing guy, I really like him and his teacher was incredibly gifted. Max was the prodigy of theirs. He trained for 30 years with Lum. Make your own assumptions. I have said all I care to say on this matter and I am quite finished with trying to "prove" anything more. Listen to Fiveelementtao's advice on this one.

Yes, it is VERY disrespectful but it's OK for me because I already know her. She gave me her number and asked me to call her. Otherwise, I would absolutely not call her, out of respect, even though I know her. Also, I have gone through the formal initiations into the clan. I know Max's teachers and his "sis" because they are my teachers as well. Max introduced me to Jenny about 11 months ago, and we all practiced together. Afterwards, kabooom! Knocked me out for 36 hours. On her behalf, I would ask that others not call her unless she requests it. Email would be more appropriate. As far as the conversation goes, we discussed the practice, the Olympics, Max and the future, among other things. I'll speak more about it later. All good stuff.

I just got off the phone with her and I can tell you that she, like Max, is packed with energy. I seem to respond very strongly to her. Just speaking to her I got blasted with energy. I hung up the phone and was flying. I had such a strong bliss running through my veins that I had to squeeze my fists and flex my arms to try to disperse it. What you find with teachers at this level is that the "transmission" can happen by just being in the same room. Many times Max is transmitting during the free lecture and people wonder why they feel such a rush. This is called "teaching in presence." It is experiencing an energetic vibration and matching that vibration to enough of a degree that you start to resonate with it. Suddenly you are like, "Whoa, this is different. This is goooood!" It is like they pull you up to their level, albeit for only a moment, but it changes you. Spontaneous Kunlun works regardless of whether or not you have the transmission. The practice does the work, but there is a BIG difference you will notice after being in the presence of one of these powerful teachers. Then to actually receive a transmission personally, you will feel your practice go to a new level entirely.

Well, she became a Buddhist scholar so yes, she would try to coax him back to Buddhism. They have a very warm relationship. Very sibling-like. After meeting her I slept for about 36 hours. She is really wonderful.

Probably closer to Rosicrucian. Who knows?

That is awesome that she is teaching the practice openly. We love her. She is amazing. To clarify though, she is Max's Kung Fu sister not his master. She showed him the Kunlun. She would get a kick out of being referred to as his "master."

"Best"? I don't believe you. You need to show a little more respect for your fellow Taoists. You assume that nobody here has a clue what they are talking about and that only reveals that same quality in yourself. Arrogance.

Hey now, my home may not be much but it gets me around. I love my humble existence...

Everyone is entitled to their opinion. I bet you do know more than me. I am on the path of forgetting what I "know" so I am sure that is the case. Speaking of "case", you have made none against what we do. All you have done is vented your frustration at not knowing more. You would be best served trying to save yourself from yourself. I wish you good luck on your path.

You obviously have nothing left to say pertinent to the discussion of the internal Taoist arts. In fact, you seem unable speak to the subject. So I must ask, why are you in a Taoist forum?

Well Patrick, that is a really good question but a wacko conclusion. Kunlun, as many have found, is a practice that helps clear the clouds that block the sun. Or more specifically, it clears the energetic patterns that we hold that prevent us from from living as clear channels for the divine light. What does that mean to you? Specifically it can help you kick the booze because the pattern that causes the behavior will be blown out and replaced with a nice bubbly flow of bliss and void. Suspend conclusion until you have first hand experience, otherwise you sound no different than someone who gives movie reviews of films they've never seen.

Yeah, we are a happy bunch. Especially the women. Mucho shen for our friends. I really enjoyed your posts. You are a brilliant mind. Like I said in my "forced public speaking" diatribe at the free lecture: "Kunlun is simple, like walking, but once you learn it you can go anywhere (internally)." It is a key that helps you unlock your own mystery, so stick with it. It will deliver as much as you allow. Cheers! Chris

I don't know what NLP is, so whatever man. I am just trying to answer some questions. You can refute facts all day (if that is what floats your boat), but this bullsh*t ends with practice. It ends with surrendering to your heart and harmonizing your whole body and allowing the scintillating bliss of the divine to activate in every cell. Realizing your true nature and that we are all perfect and omnipotent beyond our current limited understanding. That is what really matters.

A better question is, why would I care? The problem with enlightenment is not acheiving the state, but staying there. Crazy wisdom is the way.

You guys are really barking up the wrong tree. If you think you can begin to understand anything about applied Taoism from this approach, you will find yourselves very disappointed. Direct experience is the only way. Direct experience will answer everything. The problem with direct experience is it is hard to come by. You have an opportunity now to find out the secret ways of tradition. If you squander that by forcing yourself to accept an inaccurate perception of how things are, then you have remained safe but blown the opportunity. I am trying to give a glimpse into the world of Maoshan magic (for lack of a better word) so that you have an insight that will function like an alchemical key that will continue to open doors internally for you. What I have told you is the true understanding at the practitioner level. But we have come to the impasse where the next step is for you to find out for yourself or continue to speculate indefinitely. These things are the least of the important "scientific" insanity that is really taking place at this time. Our reality is shifting so rapidly that our paradigm is being forced to change whether we like it or not. The rug is being pulled out and almost everything you think you know will be proven wrong. It will not be easy for most people. But then you may come to the point where you will remember. The part of you that knows things will remember the big picture and you will have the satori awakening you have been craving. You'll stand and look through your third eye with clarity and say "Oh yeah, I can't believe I forgot this..." So do all your mathin' and cursin' now, because soon you won't need it. This conversation will be reduced to a tiny spec of mental snafu on the dusty road of our collective history. In the mean time, practitioners (people who actually do the practices) are fearlessly finding out the truth. They are experiencing the weirdness of the Tao and it is beautiful and personally satisfying. Don't sell yourselves short. Harmonize your heart and the sweet beauty of our absurd existence will be known to you too. Then all of this talky-talk will go bye-bye where it belongs. Praise Jesus. Don't listen to me, find out for yourself if you really want to know something useful.

OK. We have the "head" group all assembled in one place. Good. For you guys, these arts will take a very looong time, because the head will only take you so far. It has a cap. However, if you drop your mind into the true brain, the heart, you will find all of the answers you seek. The heart is omniscient, but the head will just give you a headache. I am sure you are earger to jump on that bandwagon at this point... anyway.... My "claims" are nothing more than stating the facts of the internal mechanics of Taoist practices. The micro-cosmic orbit for example when done properly and with the right understanding or feeling will produce certain results. What is the right understanding? Feeling your way through it. The same holds true for many other practices, but the scientific basis of those practices falls into the realm of quantum physics. If you MUST try to analyze these things from a scientific point of view then this is where you need to start looking. Internally, these practices are ALL FEELING and INTENT. When you perform them correctly you will be doing it from a feeling state. When you "use" the energy it will be from your intent. When you connect to another person's nervous system it will be an agreement that takes place at a soul level. A merging beyond the physical. What is at the center of the sun? What is responsible for all of that energy? A vacuum. You have the same inside of you. We are not saying that you actually reach out to a black hole in outer space and suck it dry. But the concept is the same, it just takes place internally. You actually access the zero point of each dan tien. If you don't understand that, then you are not qualified to refute the explanations given. If you can't do what someone like Max can do then you have no place to tell them they are wrong when they try to give you clues as to where to look for the correct understanding. You guys are bright and curious but you miss the point more often than not because you seem so hellbent on trying to prove a thing is not a thing. It is what it is. If you don't like what you hear from me, go find a good Maoshan teacher. After a few years of proving yourself, he can be the one to tell you to empty your cup, cut off your head and sit down and learn. You will also find out why students get whacked ON THE HEAD.

Patrick, I understand you interest in trying to prove that Max is a fake, but trying to find a chink in the armor of what we have on our site is not the way. First of all, you are in no way qualified to make an educated conclusion as to the how's and why's of the scientific basis of Kunlun and Maoshan energetics. As we say on our site (which is carefully omitted here), these explanations are the closest equivalent modern science has to explain the mechanisms at work. You would be best off speaking with a quantum physicist because it is the ideas they explore that come closest to understanding the workings of the high-level Taoist. As they say, "Taoists were the first form of quantum physicists. They could apply it, but couldn't explain it. Today's quantum physicists can explain it, but can't apply it." Also, Max is FULLY capable of teaching all of the subjects listed on our site and many, many more. He is that knowledgeable. Sorry to disappoint.

With Kunlun, everything comes from within. Tapping the vacuum points in the center of the dan tiens is key. The closest scientific equivalent to understanding what this point is, is the black hole. It can help to focus on the concept within as you do your practice. You can open a tremendous amount of energy by tapping a zero point or vacuum, but you need the right key for doing this. The Taoists and Egyptians and others figured this out a long time ago. Those practices that open these points were kept secret, but not any more. The experiential understanding will mean much more than the discussion of theory.

I agree. Siddhis don't matter. It is nice to use them to help people but the real objective of what Max teaches is spiritual liberation. I'll see what I can do about uploading more audio. I have hours worth of pretty good stuff.

The Japanese fellow in the video is Kan. He is a chi gung master and from Japan. He is an amazing person and many of you here have met him. Kan has since reached Gold Dragon body as witnessed by a crowd at Starbucks in Japan. Very funny. I guess you could look at the video and think it is fake, but it isn't. People laugh because there is a blissful element to everything Max does. So when you go reeling back it is strong, but the intent is blissful and you feel it. And the hat is what they call a Taoist hat. You see, Max is from a TAOIST tradition. Patrick, I don't dislike you at all, but you come out pissin' and swearin' about things that you just don't understand yet. Give yourself some time bra. Reserve judgement and you will see like others have that everything we have said is true. By the way, you should see the stuff I didn't put in the trailer...it gets freaky.