Ramon25

How would you cultivate the lower dantien? Then when you did what exactly would be done to use it in nourishing the middle and upper dantiens? Thanks

The original Tai chi (Chen tai chi) Invloved some pretty strenuous movements. Todays tai chi is not the same. Also diet plays a large role in health. Also I do not believe Jogging is in anyway good for health and can actually be bad for your heart! Weights are but it depends how you do it as they can cause some serious issues. You can definatley overdu weights really fast and actually reduce immune function. Stretching is good but misses the strong in that range of motion component. Also alot of taoist OLD taoist used chi gung and Well (tai chi) as well as other joint mobility type stuff in conjunction with diet and lived really long (they probably did martial arts too). I think something like scott sonnons system (does'nt have to be him) and martial arts is the way to go in terms of exercise. Why do you not think qigong and tai chi are not good for health? So Do you think the MCO is a waste of time? (yeah I know that last one came out of nowhere im just trying to get as much info on it as i can and look at alternatives)

in your own words what exactly is Arhatic Yoga? Also i have seen somewhere a version of the orbit in this type of yoga. How is it done if you dont mind me asking? Also Where would i start with this type of yoga? Thanks

Well hey i might try to sink my chi. Because I think the earth energy does come back up and fills me up. The secret smile seems like a very interesting practice, thank you for posting it, im gonna try it as a sub for the inner smile before the orbit. Well that is a high criteria for kundalini to be OKAY It is pretty tough to be able to do all of that. not the drinking and smoking or diet but part #1 and #2. He does seem to know what he's talking about. I might PM him and see what he saids, it might be kind of cool talking to someone who has gone through sense its been a while sense I have done that. Thanks alot again for the help appreciate it.

things like trying to connect my energy with the earth get alot of energy stuck in the head. Actually alot of kundalini aroused people cant do any meditation or basic energy work becuase it blows them through the roof or can cause some really bad distress.I use to in no way be able to lots of energy in the head. I can now because My diet is very grounding, but i need to balance it with spiritual practice or i get way to grounded for a person who has alot of internal spiritual issues to workout. Kundalini is one path, I think it should be approached with caution and understanding of what it is one is going to get into namely "the dark night of the soul" its a reality with kundalini. It can really screw with your life, There is a lady who was pretty useless for 20 years, so think about it. I am not saying its all bad contrary i consider it a gift, just think abut it. Kundalini also puts alot of stress on the physical body some kundalini people claim that it gave them cancer, which could happen because of the extreme stress some people feel and the possible excess of energy screwing with system. So a very healthy approach would have to be taken along with supplements "which i did not do" to safeguard against to huge oxidative stress that can occur. One of the links you sent me seemed like it was yoga. I cant do yoga as yoga can be hard on the lower back with time.

Yeah thanks for the welcome. I find (grounding) practices can make it worse. I need a powerful spriritual practice because if i do nothing I become really unstable, emotional, I lack the ability to think wisely, If i do the wrong practices it makes me feel not good . But yeah 16 one of the youngest from what I hear, Oh well. I do feel pretty old though especially mentally oh yeah. The best thing for grounding is red meat, very grounding aswell as avoiding excessive sugar, carbs. They are very stimulating of the nervous system. If uyou have emotional pain all i can say is know your motivations, shadow and be honest with yourself. Dont be afraid of pain sometimes we just have to immerse ourselves in it oin order to understand and let go. I am by no stretch enlightened and such. I still have issues and alot of growing to do i just have had a head start. Right now me and my family are having issues and i can act, well, not like a buddah at times but not like asshole either which i would have in the past. But spiritual achievement is not just a one sided worship of positive qualities, negativity can have its place (kali energy). But i would like to exercise more wisdom than i do. Either way its great that you are involved in all this at 19 that is awesome, Good luck with your journey!

Hello sorry more questions. Okay So lets say I start with spinal breathing to open the back then do I do the inner smile, from there i go directly to the crown, from the crown I go to the perineum with the heavenly energy, Then starting at the perineum where i left off with the heavenly energy I begin to do the little orbit to balance the lower jiao. once i feel thats been done I begin to focus on the navel then run the circuit from the navel to the perineum up the back across the palate down the front channel, I do this few times. Then I store it in the navel with the regular 36 spirals and 24 spirals.Is this the sequence i would normally use? Sounds like alot I know? So again what do you say about the reverse flow? Dont do it? Also what do everyone think of this microcosmic pendulum link (scroll down) http://www.thetaobums.com/Yogani-On-Spinal...rbit-t2048.html I am pretty vigilent about not forcing the flow. i listen to the energy and allow it stay in a point as long as it wants. I still cant get it to free flow like a wheel, so ijust take it across the points one by one listening to the energy, when its ready to move then i help it move to the next point. after my Kundalini the only thing that seems to balance me to any appreciable degree is the orbit, so again thansk for any help. i guess i ask so much because it was inproper practices that caused my kundalini awakening, So i have expeirened first hand what improper energy prsctices can do how they can affect your life. Thnaks again really

Hello. I went to your site as per your post and i could not really understand the method you outline for opening the orbit. Do you do it beginning at the crown chackra? After the inner smile? Do you still store it in the navel? If you are doing a cooling reverse flow do you still start in the crown? What is the EXACT order or sequence? Also how would that relate to things like the 6 sounds, fusion of the 5 and so on? I have not started these but will eventually. What is spinal breathing? I did not understand how to HARMONIZE the energy. I have had a kundalini awakening and find the microcosmic orbit to help me quite a bit. I really would like to implement what your talking about but the methods in general make no sense to me. Not that what you said is bad, I just cant seem to get it. Well sorry for all the questions but im a little desperate, it seems like alot of stuff is going upside down right now in my life, so i am guessing i need to change something. Maybe what you are saying could have something to do with it. Alot of times it seems that spiritual practice is a prerequisite to a harmonious life. It could be that change. If it makes a difference in you response im 19. Also I see you emphasize standing cultivation but I have knee pain and cant do tai chi or even simple qi gong, My knees end up hurting which saddens me. Any suggestions? Thank you very much for any help you or anyone can offer

Hey everyone, im new to the forum and im happy to be here. Im 19 years old and have been on the spiritual path my sense I was 16. I had a kundalini rising a while back and sense then I have been trying to find my path.

I was meditating moving energy up and down the spine and stroring it in the brain doing what i wrongly perceived as the MCO, also doinf deep breathing. At that time i was not yet awakened. I went on the roof during an eclipse and meditated. Thats when it started to rear its head without becoming full blown. Just a very uneasy feeling of depression started to follow me througout the day. I had A very strong argument and outrage with a family member that also sparked a strong disassociation with life in general (a powerful feeling that nothing was real). After that to deal with the dis association i tried meditating again and thats when tremendous muscular spasm in my lower back practically knocked me off my cushion. But i was just feeling like extremley unwell, not good like life was searing me. After that I went and found osho and did his cathartic meditation. Shortley after it became full blown. I was meditating for a couple of months maybe like 20 min a day. But from the eclipse to the to the cathartic meditation was less than a few weeks in time . No i was not doing kundalini yoga. You can awaken kundalini in a bunch of ways, I dont think that form of yoga is anymore effective at raising kundalini than any other energy/meditation art. But it can be raised in martial arts, accident can also cause it as can extreme stress. You can even raise it by having a beutiful walk in the park having notthing to do with anything spiritual. It just happends most of the time atleast today. Thanks for the welcome everyone! I am sure many on here will be able to help me aswell i can sure use it.

Hey everyone im new to the forum. I actually have been reading here for a while but registered to join this topic. I had a Kundalini rising when i was 17 or 16 cant remember. Im 19 now. It is hellish and heavenly. The effects for me physically were and still are vibrations or muscle spasms at my lower back and sometimes slight twitches. I didnt feel a freight train in the energetic sense but in a physical way yes (i did feel alot of energy though). The effects for me and for many are usually mental. ALL the emotional baggage you have stored comes out and you have to deal with it moslty at once. Huge surges of emotional pain. Mood swings. But also moments of ecstasy, uncoditional love, wonder. It is a gift it causes rapid transformation in many ways but never trully goes away, you keep changing but at a slower pace as time goes on. Kundalini stays with you and you cannot turn it off. It is said to be the creative force of the universe. I dont know for sure. But i was going down the wrong path in my life, i was unhappy, insecure to the extreme, egotistical, money hungry. I think I would have broken down one day and killed myself or i dont know. Kundalini changed all that. Now mind you I still have insecurities, I do get unhappy, I am not enlightened but the expirience of life is so dramatically different to say the least. I advise anyone thinking about to consider it. I had to quit school I couldnt go. So life can be affected but i think it was worth it to me. Some people cant deal with the energy. I have learned to calm it down with a raw/rare meat and eggs diet. It is very grounding but if I dont do MCO now i become very emotional and spirituality takes a seroius back seat and everything in my life goes hay wire. I have just started doing the MCO orbit now again and im feeling a million times better. Anyway yeah the 2 are very different but i dont think the energys are so different just a yin/yang. Ithink kundalini is a HUGE uptake of chi. Well take care everyone