Vajrahridaya

Oooo, gona have to save this for later!

They are a product of our conscious minds, just unconscious of it. Our conscious minds as in all sentient beings manifesting through the elements. Uh, never mind... so complicated. Read some Buddhist cosmology, it supports my direct meditative experiences. You probably won't believe a word of any of it anyway. Yes, I'm assuming based upon your previous comments. Plus, once again, maybe this time it will sink in. I do not negate the big bang, I just see it as more complicated with the inclusion of previous universes and multiple universes of differing life spans.

Yeah.... I did. You're a good one though and not a closed hearted one. Which is very good!!

Um, no... you just don't get it is all. You won't without direct human transcending experience through meditation. Again, you will insult this as circular reasoning. So... again, you won't get it until...

No, I have no idea.

Good book!

Ok dude... whatever you say.

I saw him giving her energy from more places than from the heart... funny. That's good though. He seems like a nice guy, good yellow and white light, Earth and Water, good for healing. I meant more than what they illumined through special effects.

Yes, in the physical dimension and you need it in order to transcend the body. The human brain is especially needed on this planet for spiritual progress. A plant is not a conscious sentient being and is more like the manifestation of our collective unconscious for the sake of our own sentient experience. So really, a plant does not have an individual mind-stream and is more like a sprout from a collective unconscious. My view is quite a bit more complicated than your interpretation of my words, so you taking my statement within a limited context would not at all pin point my meaning at all. It goes a whole lot deeper.

I do agree.

Actually he did say what he was doing to a few people. Some of them I know personally. What he did is justified in Goddess Tantras in the Hindu Tantric tradition. Study up! First of all, I appologize for my insult of your character. You are right, I don't know you personally. Second of all... I do agree with the Big Bang theory, just that it was not the beginning or the first big bang as Marble suggests. The Big Bang theory is supported by Buddhist cosmology, just with more of a complicated approach concerning previous universes and multiple universes all interconnected with different life spans.

I've heard two stories. One he was poisoned and the other he died of dysentery? I am more apt to believe that he was poisoned due to the fact that there were plenty of people that hated him subverting the Vedic teachings. Turning wives into Nuns and children into Monks and what not.

Funny what people with very little deep meditative experience suggest of the great masters. "Dude... they must have been on drugs man... that's the only way they could have come up with that stuff bro." Ah, the limited minded masses of todays world. You must think Chogyal Namkhai Norbu Rinpoche is on shrooms when he shares his stories of manifesting items from lucid dream states into physical reality. You are no Dzogchenpa! Back on ignore.

That's pretty funny. But she only suggested that upon noticing the evidence supporting that idea. She really didn't even believe in the idea of re-birth until she started witnessing the evidence through her son.

The causes for this life occur prier to this life. So yes, the starving children have their karma from previous lives, just like the fed ones. But, that is no excuse not to help them and not to give if you can. The knowledge of past lives and karma is not an excuse for indifference. In fact, those that really experience and understand the nature of karma and re-birth show way more compassion towards the suffering of todays world than those that just use it as an excuse for their own apathy.

Not consciously, only unconsciously. They are unconscious sentient beings. They are beings with bodies but no brains to channel energy into conscious thought patterns.

Wow, you're a hard core material realist. So be it!

LOL! Ok... fair enough synopsis. I do agree with everything you've stated here.

Ahhhh, the quick and easy route! Always falls flat on the face in the end though. Here's a nice guy on the subject of reincarnation. I like him: http://reluctant-messenger.com/reincarnation-proof.htm Dr. Ian Stevenson's Life Work Another one... http://www.reversespins.com/proofofreincarnation.html

Hi Marble! The reason why I like you as a personality and not Songs, is because Songs just makes insulting statements without actually joining the discussion. While you on the other hand make insulting statements, mostly just jokingly, while joining the discussion and making contributions that are generally quite interesting. So... this is how my opinion is conditioned. Songs is just an insult troll, while you are actually an engaging soul. You don't have to agree with me in terms of why I think meditation transcends scientific findings, but you actually try to explain why you belief that science goes deeper than meditation.

Actually, without understanding reincarnation or rebirth, nothing really makes sense. Without the fact of rebirth equated into the system of study, we are at a loss for why good things happen to bad people and vice versa, unless one would succumb to the idea that Chaos is reality. Of course some people are like, "Why does life have to make sense?" This is not good enough for me personally and never has been. So, I study, especially the nature of perception and how it's conditioned and fooled by the 5 senses. I don't identify with this body Marble, there is subtler going's on. One cannot really find out through the dualistic medium of the 5 senses which seems to be your only criteria of information. You think schizophrenics are all properly diagnosed as such? If I go to a doctor and admit to seeing beyond the 5 senses, they will plug me full of pills and dumb me down because I don't fit into their little boxes of "Normal." Your box of "Normal" is too small for me.

I do agree that most of these conversations are quite pointless. But, I have fun with them anyhow. I truly appreciate your wise offer! It's within deep consideration that I appreciate it. Danka!

You want physical proof of a dimension beyond this physical realm? :lol: Meditate dear Watson, Meditate! Go past your illusions into the facts! There is a difference between imagination and inter-dimensional travel. True that! There is proof for me. It also is a theory equal with the findings of Buddhas since ancient times. It's actually a very old one. I believed in this theory before I even read that scientists were into it. It's been a Buddhist theory for very long time and even a Vedic theory since even before the dawn of the agricultural period. Nope. Scientists are just finding out what the yogi's have known for thousands of years. Consciousness is a subtler paradigm of study than dualistic scientific means. So, the yogic science of consciousness has always been light years ahead of the stoned on 5 sense type of people like yourself. There is plenty of proof hiding behind your ability to expand your own awareness through conscious meditation practice, but your awareness is too knotted up by your 5 senses as a limiting criteria to even read me properly. Still... Peace and Love to you as well Marbled one!

Again, based upon your limited criteria for proof. Which is fine, but don't limit everyone else to it thinking that it's absolute. You should be more agnostic. Yes there have. Some critical and some supportive. There are plenty that are just not answerable outside of the acceptance of the evidence as truth of the fact, that past lives are true and real. Of course, you will plaster these evidences with your doubts because you attach so much importance to these doubts of yours, making them a part of your personality. Not true at all, there is one particularly famous story that was on Opera I think or some major talk show many years ago. Now as the kid who remembered his life as a soldier in a previous existence is all grown up and has since forgotten the memories entirely. Thanks... the facts don't need your permission for their existence, even if they exist from a different dimension of verifiability. Walk through the door of your consciousness Marble... find how deep awareness can go!! Meditate, suspend your beliefs and go deeper than your limiting conditions... deeper.... deeeper....

Meditating 30 minutes a day could hardly be considered a bad addiction. Everyone should spend time in retreat meditating many hours per day and focusing on wisdom practice journals and writing ones own. Now if conditions are that you would be ignoring responsibilities to a point of complete life detriment, than I'd agree with you. But really... every yogi goes through the period of spiritual pride, even if they hide it very well. I don't!