Vajrahridaya

Yes ralis, I don't remember which exact site I read that. Oh well. Realize it or not, it's up to you. You don't create your reality, you co-create with infinite sentient beings as well as Buddhas.

Oh ralis. I gave adequate elaboration above when I said that we manipulate unconsciously. You are merely stating your own assumptive definitions of my statements and being attached to these assumptions is revealing more about your own mental dogmas than mine.

Nope, none of the above. Except for the fact that I experienced the Jhana of Nothingness at the age of 10. For further expression, I experienced the Jhana of neither perception nor non-perception at the age of 14.

I should give context for the above. is the sound that precedes the rest of Om in every momentary pulsation, in however you quantify it. It is the sound one naturally pronounces when struck with the sense of freedom by either understanding confinement directly and thus cutting through, or experiencing the state of ones mind in the moment that is prier to confinement, prier to definition. It's interesting that it's the beginning of most alphabets as well as the universal sigh of satisfaction across cultures. But, in Buddhist practice, we give awareness to it's inherent meaning, which is direct realization of emptiness, not as an ontological essence, but merely as a realization of infinite potentiality due to the fact of infinite malleability of phenomena, which basically means... freedom! Thus... Aaaaaaahhhhhhh!

Wow... another brick in the wall.

What do you want me to say? Do you want me to quantify my glimpses? On October 8th, 1985 I experienced the Jhana of nothingness for approximately the timeless period of almost one hour. I mean... come on! The above is about true, though I can't remember the date exactly. :lol: I was 10 years old.

All I am really going to speak about is the content of Suttas and Sutras. If you actually read the Suttas and Sutras, you do see many debates by the Buddha. The Buddha did debate against other belief systems. If you want to know me further, you can go ahead and read my past posts with an open mind. Thus far, you have not really shown much of an open mind towards anything I've said, so... why speak?

You're worrying to much about the intricacies of my direct experiencing. This is quite private and hardly going to help you if I explain it directly as it takes practice, practice, and more contemplation... as well as the merits from previous lives. I'm just saying that my insight into the Buddhas thoughts are not merely academic, nor are they epidermic.

Oh, sorry for experiencing the answer. I didn't mean to alienate you. Sorry, the story of my life... thus, integrate, integrate, integrate!

Very nice.

Aaaaaaahhhhhhhh! integrate, integrate, integrate. :lol:

True that, but not parroting, as I do have enough direct glimpses as fruit of practice. You can take it or leave it. Just try not to suffer to much if my experiential opinions differ from yours.

Yes, but unconsciously so, or subconsciously so for the most part. Buddhas are consciously aware of how they influence positively on all levels of action and intention.

Flow with what? Habit patterns? Scars of conditioning engraved in your unconscious, manifesting so fast in your environment of experience as supports for your mental dogmas, or rather, pre-conceptions? So... surrender to Samsara to experience mere pleasurable conformity?

Another typical foolish mis-defining of my sentences. What I mean is that all sentient beings, be it female or male co-originate this process of expansion and contraction, endlessly. We are collectively the Brahma's, Vishu's and Shiva's of it all, but since we are we's, we are not an inherent Self of all as well to be pinpointed or surrendered to, this leads to merely formless absorptions, or trances. As in high up concepts integrated with everything, thus not really emptying the cause of re-becoming. Also, we don't "control"... generally we are controlled by our own unconscious reactions based upon endless circumstances of conditioning. Again, you miss the subtle ramifications of the teachings of Buddhas. It's really only Buddhas who have freedom, as they are awake.

Posterity of clarity, instead of posterity of muddling and meddling by the foolish, much like what's been done to Hatha Yoga. You don't find Yantra (physical Buddhist) Yoga which is just as old getting abused, do you? This is because it's saved for those that will really utilize it and not capitalize on it. This is what I mean by posterity.

Typical ralis reasoning. You endlessly demonstrate the real problem with most people on planet Earth, who think they know without actually having been here with awareness for very long. I'm not your typical Buddhist who has just read some books and "believes". Get over yourself and get over your judgment of Buddhist terminology as you merely show your lack of flexibility. You've been following me around, judging me endlessly. Look in the mirror more deeply. I'm just finally telling you about yourself as you endlessly judge me, no matter how much I ignore you. You don't even really read the meaning of my statements, all you spit is your dogmatic spite.... over and over and over and over.

It's ramifications lead to understanding directly, infinite regress which is the realization of endless and infinite mindstreams as well, all empty of inherent existence and inter-dependently originated, endlessly. Not leading to a single all encompassing substratum, which is not what Rigpa means, or like concepts of God as a willful Alpha of everything, or an underlying essence that one must surrender to. The religion of dependent origination is much subtler than you have yet to understand ralis. This is because you only have periphery experience and not in depth experience. I know this from your responses to me. You also don't understand how we collectively as endless sentient beings and Buddhas are the prime movers and manipulators of experiential reality, even in matter without beginning, Buddhas from a liberated point of reference and Samsarins from a bound point of reference, thus we have endless dualisms. You say, "what? How can we be the cause of this material reality? That's the most ridiculous thing I've ever heard!" You say this because you have not delved deep enough into your own unconscious and uncovered your previous existences directly. Seeing your previous existences directly also see's others and how we've been playing endlessly and manipulating matter endlessly as beings of consciousness. Your periphery and merely intellectual comprehension that lacks direct experience of the profundity of the Buddhas teaching is plastered all over your reactions to my statements backed by sages far deeper than your comprehension. We can come to a common ground, but you need to open up beyond your bitter points of reference concerning a time proven spiritual tradition that liberates deeply, called Buddhism. You just see what you want to see and you think you're right, but this is only because you really do lack direct experiencing. You need a nice dose of humility as your intellectual boner takes too much space in your brain activity. You are too proud!

Right, ungraspable! One could say that dependent origination is an ontological essence and that is merely for conversational reasons, but if you get into what dependent origination means, it's merely the way of movement, and thus there is no grasper, grasping, or grasped that can be pin pointed definitely as a self or Self of all. Thus the four fold negation of Nagarjuna states; The Buddha denied that we exist, denied that we do not exist, denied that we both exist and do not exist, and denied that we neither exist nor do not exist. This kind of answer is called the Fourfold Negation and becomes a fundamental Buddhist philosophical principle to deal with attempts to characterize Nirvân.a or ultimate reality: we cannot either affirm or deny anything about them. This is why in English the term "thusness" is utilized to describe the state of flexible awareness that in word formation, defines the state of Buddhahood or "awakeness". Just as the Buddha said, "To see dependent origination, is to see the Dharma and to see the Dharma is to be liberated". Dharma merely means, "the way".

Then go for it and leave me alone. I am a part of this cosmos and if you don't like my posts and have to say how much you hate them each and every time they appear, how is this revealing your freedom from religious trappings? It seems that you are trapped by your emotional reaction to religious terms.

Group chanting and merging the sound of your voice with other peoples voices is a humbling practice in harmony. If the belief system is an open one and the terms being chanted are focused on both inner benefit with concise meaning and benefit for the sake of all beings, then it's a practice in realizing the connected nature of all things. It's really about ones view. If ones view is bitter, then the outcome of the practice will originate dependent upon the view.

Like yoga, if the understanding of it's philosophy is in the student, then the fruit will reflect the view. If there is no understanding, then it's simply exercise. This is good for the body, but if the mind doesn't align and is thinking about how to dress and put this new yoga sized body into that new suit... the fruit reflects the view.

You bring your bitter reactions into every thread I may appear in, instead of just putting me on ignore. It's pretty egotistical of you to subject everyone to your bitter view of me when it's not shared by everyone. On a deeper note, Bird of Truth was also asking about the power of visualization meditations. I answered using my own tradition which I have knowledge and experience in. Pleaes ralis, once and for all, put me on ignore. Your hate and lack of wisdom concerning religious terms and spiritual traditions doesn't need to come up every-time I post. It's like you're in a trance, induced by your own karmic view.

See, you have a bitter view, stemming from your karmic experiences associated with religion in general, and your perception of terms is limited by these inner dogmas of yours, based upon these choking and contracting feelings. This is all your own karmic baggage at work. This dis-allows you to access the meaning of certain formats of information that utilize terms within wisdom traditions. Basically, you see Buddhist terms and your defense mechanisms go up on such a fast level from within, that you react instead of actually reading or even attempting to understand the meaning being pointed to. Since I learned to express my experiences and insights using terms associated with the Buddhist and Indian traditions in general, this will be the language I will tend to use very naturally. You dance around like a blind man offended by what you cannot even see.

Your replies and constant accusations coming from a platform deep within you of mis-understanding and mis-reading. You constantly come at me from the limitations of your inner experience. This is the criteria from which I base this relative truth upon.