Vajrahridaya

I was going to say that, but that sounds spaced out.

Though it has many capacities, in the above quoted capacity it is quite amazing... I have experienced it's scientific magic throughout my life under the guidance of my Mom.

Yes, it's the only country that I know of, where women are allowed to marry multiple men. Seriously... think about it! That's pretty liberating for women, to have a few men take care of the family and serve your sexual desires??

Serene I totally agree. Which is why I don't recommend Tolle. Not that I think he's a bum or anything. But that, his experience is not that of understanding the process which most of us have to undertake in order to attain even a close sense of the peace he has in the sound of his voice. That's why I find Buddhism to be the clearest path... it understands all angles from instant to process and understands that to get to the instant takes long stages of progress. I fully agree Marble and that's my sanity. It's my objectivity within my subjective world.

I find happiness to be the best defense. The kind of happiness that does not rely on anything other than recognizing the spiritual truths of things. Take care.

Thanks to the few of you that are the manifestations of my broken Samaya for showing me the thorny fruit of sharing too much with those without ears. Pearls to swine is it? This is actually a good lesson worth lots of contemplation for me... One of my Samayas was to ignore some of you... I should have stuck to my guns.

No... that's not what happened. If I merely fell asleep as you rudely assume as always. I wasn't leaning against anything and my eyes stayed open and events were still seen. She's a good mirror. I'm capable of acknowledging the dark side of you. My karma with my current GF is quite unique and your assumptions are merely that. You do lack insight. Shankaracharya wrote once that when a being attains enlightenment, that they still eminate karmas from previous connections with people, and people who aren't ready to see the light, merely absorb the reflections of their own darkness or ignorance from beings who are like mirrors that do not grasp or identify with circumstances. This is also a good way of recognizing the beauty of the Bodhisattva path. To accumulate so much merit and connectivity with as much of an audience as possible to emanate/reflect back through these individual packages of karmas (people) as much light as possible. As in... reach as many people as possible. I'm sure Buddhas' nay sayers thought of him and experienced him as the devil incarnate, or a demon in disguise. They literally interpreted his actions, words and ways of being from this dark perspective, thinking it was him. They even wanted to kill him. When in reality it was them the entire time... seeing their own negative perception reflected in a clean and clear mirror. You Ralis are filled with guile and attacks. If you look at your historical posts with me. No contemplative contributions, just attack after attack. You are not very objective about yourself at all. That's about my response to your assumptions. WOW!! I guess your not that sweet of a person and don't really have that good of intentions? Oh well. First impressions can be lies. LOL! Since the first grade when I asked the kids not to hurt the ants because they are the same as the ants in different clothing, I've been the object of ridicule. It seems that here too I manifest this karma? Well it is my karma. So... no one else can do my dirty laundry but me. It seems that people must looooove to judge me? I must have been a bad king in a past life. I cannot remember. Que sera sera!

Muktananda was a great being, no doubt. People have their opinions. But... I know too much to think otherwise. I understand his sexual tantra side and it's covered in the teachings of Abhinavagupta in the Tantraloka, of which I have a translation of the part that talks about sexual tantra. Gurumayi... is awesome!! I loooooove her. She is sooo powerful and deep. HA!! So many assumptions circulating the internet though. WOW!! Anyway... karma is a strange beast, even if your enlightened, if on Earth... one will still have most likely... the manifestation of nay sayers. Even the Buddha did, and they wanted him "dead"!! I find Gurumayi's insight wonderful up to a certain point. But yes, it's not Buddhist and I found more insight through Buddhism. But, I did experience many of the realms, and all the jhana absorptions through the Siddha Yoga disciplines. Intimacy with the chakras. Nice experiences with the full lotus of course. But... my vipassana style insight did not start until I got initiated into the comprehension of dependent origination through Lappon Namdrol a translator of Tibetan texts and long time student of Chogyal Namkhai Norbu Rinpoche. Namdrol has initiations from many other very prominent Rinpoches. He is far deeper than lots of undereducated people give him credit for!! Looooove him and I owe him aaaaaa lot!! No... you just have to at this point... get into the Ashram, which is not all that hard. They pay for your room and board and you might get a sty pin. Stay off the internet assumption board about Siddha Yoga. It'll only confuse you... but then again, it's whatever. I just know better myself. Do you see how these assumptions about SY has effected your perception? You're already conditioned by these ding-bats running these anti-SY boards. WOW!! So fast. I grew up underprivileged, on the wrong side of the tracks you could say. p.s. I never thought of Gurumayi as Hot in that sense. I once used her to squelch my sexual tension and she appeared to me as Kali doing all sorts of things to scare my sexual energy up my spine. Gurumayi looks like a goddess to me... she does not send sexual vibes at all in my experience. Though, I'm not saying sex is not something a god wouldn't get into, but... she seems to me to really be a renunciate. That's my experience and knowledge.

Unblanched organic Almond Butter is better. My Mom, yes... I was initiated by Gurumayi when I was 10 in 85'. I sat at her feet and she played with the crown of my head for a whole hour and "I" disappeared.

I understand what you're getting at and this is correct. But... I feel that you are not seeing how my reality effects your reality. Which is why they say your company creates your destiny. Which is also why in Buddhism we take refuge in the Buddha, Dharma and Sangha and not refuge in worldly minded beings like poker players and gamblers. Because you are not solely responsible for your own liberation, we all are interdependently originated. I have a responsibility to the world around me as well. Which is why I think your conclusion needs more tempering in dependent origination. It gets more complicated once you've come in contact with the dharma because now some currents are on their way to liberation and this all influences your mind. You're trying to ultimate the experience of your awareness and your contemplation as a final identity? That there is only "I"? There is in a sense, which is what the supreme source or the Kunjed Gyalpo gets into but the translation into English is tricky. This I is still not the substratum of all being, it is yours but it's also dependently originated along with infinite "I's". Alaya Vijnana until it's emptied of the defilement of clinging is not yet the luminous Dharmakaya all the time, only through your practice has this been pierced here and there, so you have holes as glimpses.

By the way... my right knee won't allow me to go into full lotus anymore. I haven't been able to for years. It just pops out of socket because the muscles and the tendons healed askew and it would take re-tearing them and resetting them in a medical setting to get them right again. No, Muktananda and Gurumayi. Advaita Vedanta and Shaivite Tantra.

Your will is not free unless you're a Buddha. That's why it's called liberation. Even as a Buddha you are still manifesting through the accumulations. You are looking for the mystery clause, the mysterious will behind everything, the source of your ability to have a will that is free is recognizing emptiness and thus your consciousness becomes awareness that is luminous. My opinion is that your wall is assumption. LOL! Your funny... I can tell your a sweet meaning dude. I think both you and GIH are suffering from no-teacher-itis... Though Ralis has a teacher and I have yet to see any benefits. The same teacher as me even. WOW!! Anyway... What I feel you need is a deeper understanding of emptiness and maybe more formless jhana. But, that's just my opinion, you might benefit from finding a good Rinpoche to help you through your dilemma.

Look, I can only assume from your posts that you think you have experienced Rigpa. I would rather you not follow me around like an English school teacher. I'll get enough of that in school. Just let me be the me that I know how to be. I have improved my grammar over the years and my spelling has improved as well. You are not making good karma between us if you are really a student of Rinpoche... just back off and do your own practice. Rinpoche IS a Buddhist and he DOES believe in the 31 planes and the 6 realms. He is also a Madhyamaka master!! You have not answered if you have read Precious Vase, so I assume you have not. You have not answered if you have read his other books that I have mentioned, so I assume you have not. I think you have no context for realizing what Rigpa actually is. You think it's an excuse to just do whatever you want and be as anti-Buddhist as you want. Rinpoche also thinks the Dalai Lama is a swell guy and a great being. The Dalai Lama and Rinpoche like each other. I PM you to try to get this over with, but you ignore my PM's and keep taunting me like some school yard bully. Your point of view is askew and heavily conditioned in a negative way. I do not hear your advice at all. So... why not do you and me a favor and kick rocks.

Nagarjuna's critique is applying to all 12 links of dependent arising. Both the Buddha and Nagarjuna have said that there is no transcendent beyond this. I can cut and paste more quotes if you like. There is no Nirvana, there is only recognizing how things flow... that is merely correct cognition of the process of all, including consciousness. Nirvana is just saying that since all 12 links arise dependently, that they do not inherently exist, thus are really not established, and thus awareness of this is uncompounded and liberated, but it's luminosity is because of it's emptiness and interdependency... not independence. The stance itself is independent as a state of recognition, but it's not an inherent in and of itself. To talk about this leads to ridiculous statements and the ultimate futility of logic. It seems that you think the luminosity is the "I Am" experience? Like I said... it's momentary with the arisings. Just as analysis of one thing leads to the endless chain of causation, so does this include the conscious experience of luminous awareness. Edit: Anyway... I'm off to Satsang and a Potluck. Cia!

Not sure I agree with you gold. Isn't all insight experiential? Insight, as I define it, goes beyond intellect and analysis. Steve This is what insight means experientially, but it's generally based upon an analysis of a formula with intent to lead to insight. So... in my remark I was differentiating between the formula created with the intent for insight and the insight itself. That is it's momentariness... It arises along side the flow of phenomena, though one can hold it through focus into a timeless and formless realm. Luminosity is also empty of inherent existence.

Only if you don't get it. As Nagarjuna said: gal te stong min cung zad yod/ / stong pa cung zad yod par 'gyur/ / mi stong cung zad yod min na/ / stong pa yod par ga la 'gyur/ / If there were the slightest thing which were not empty, Then there would be that much emptiness as well, But if there is not the slightest thing which is not empty How could emptiness exist? Root Verses of the Middle Way, XIII, 7 gang phyir rten 'byung ma yin pa'i/ / chos 'ga' yod pa ma yin pa/ / de phyir stong pa ma yin pa'i/ / chos 'ga' yod pa ma yin no/ / There is not a single thing That does not arise interdependently. Therefore there is not a single thing That is not empty. Root Verses of the Middle Way, XXIV, 19

I find Thusness to have a subtler grasp than Danial, in conceptual formulation at least. But... I don't know either of them personally. I find ChNNR to be one of the most powerful Masters on the planet, and my girlfriend agrees because she had a direct experience of her luminosity and various other subtle metaphysical things just through the snap of his fingers and the sacred syllable... "phet". I understand that my explanations are not perfect for everyone. I sometimes re-read my statements though and get high off them, as if I'm merely writing in a way that turns on my own light and works through my own personal set of conditionings?? I don't know... I don't try to be that selfish... that's not my intention at least? My intent is to get to the nuance of the direct experiencing as much as possible. Luminosity is an event. Your thought that the level of neither perception nor non-perception is permanent or self reliant is not what luminosity is. No, I'm distinguishing between conceptual and experiential. You are making a distinction that is not the intent of the statement. You can only if you misunderstand it and don't see interdependent arising. I can quote from the Pali and Mahayana that says that pratityasamutpada is the entirety of the dharma. So, don't under use it and reify some ultimate and transcendent awareness that is the God of your idealism.

Your missing the point that it explains. It's not a thing. It's realization leads to the dharmakaya, but... that's only inherent in as much as all minds and phenomena are empty of any intrinsic value, so interdependent arising, which I also like the best, because it gives more of a spherical sense to the explanation of how this is.

Luminosity arises from the fact of the empty quality of things and consciousness. It is not self supported or self originated. You should try to study abhidharma more. You are obviously missing out on a subtle experiential insight because your conclusion is opposed to the bodhi of the Buddhas. I also used to cling to this level of examining that you are clinging to. But, your not seeing the meaning of my words, so the words don't make sense. Nagarjuna's Mahamudra Vision Homage to Manjusrikumarabhuta! 1. I bow down to the all-powerful Buddha Whose mind is free of attachment, Who in his compassion and wisdom Has taught the inexpressible. 2. In truth there is no birth - Then surely no cessation or liberation; The Buddha is like the sky And all beings have that nature. 3. Neither Samsara nor Nirvana exist, But all is a complex continuum With an intrinsic face of void, The object of ultimate awareness. 4. The nature of all things Appears like a reflection, Pure and naturally quiescent, With a non-dual identity of suchness. 5. The common mind imagines a self Where there is nothing at all, And it conceives of emotional states - Happiness, suffering, and equanimity. 6. The six states of being in Samsara, The happiness of heaven, The suffering of hell, Are all false creations, figments of mind. 7. Likewise the ideas of bad action causing suffering, Old age, disease and death, And the idea that virtue leads to happiness, Are mere ideas, unreal notions. 8. Like an artist frightened By the devil he paints, The sufferer in Samsara Is terrified by his own imagination. 9. Like a man caught in quicksands Thrashing and struggling about, So beings drown In the mess of their own thoughts. 10. Mistaking fantasy for reality Causes an experience of suffering; Mind is poisoned by interpretation Of consciousness of form. 11. Dissolving figment and fantasy With a mind of compassionate insight, Remain in perfect awareness In order to help all beings. 12. So acquiring conventional virtue Freed from the web of interpretive thought, Insurpassable understanding is gained As Buddha, friend to the world. 13. Knowing the relativity of all, The ultimate truth is always seen; Dismissing the idea of beginning, middle and end The flow is seen as Emptiness. 14. So all samsara and nirvana is seen as it is - Empty and insubstantial, Naked and changeless, Eternally quiescent and illumined. 15. As the figments of a dream Dissolve upon waking, So the confusion of Samsara Fades away in enlightenment. 16. Idealising things of no substance As eternal, substantial and satisfying, Shrouding them in a fog of desire The round of existence arises. 17. The nature of beings is unborn Yet commonly beings are conceived to exist; Both beings and their ideas Are false beliefs. 18. It is nothing but an artifice of mind This birth into an illusory becoming, Into a world of good and evil action With good or bad rebirth to follow. 19. When the wheel of mind ceases to turn All things come to an end. So there is nothing inherently substantial And all things are utterly pure. 20. This great ocean of samsara, Full of delusive thought, Can be crossed in the boat Universal Approach. Who can reach the other side without it? Colophon The Twenty Mahayana Verses, (in Sanskrit, Mahayanavimsaka; in Tibetan: Theg pa chen po nyi shu pa) were composed by the master Nagarjuna. They were translated into Tibetan by the Kashmiri Pandit Ananda and the Bhikshu translator Drakjor Sherab (Grags 'byor shes rab). They have been translated into English by the Anagarika Kunzang Tenzin on the last day of the year 1973 in the hope that the karma of the year may be mitigated. May all beings be happy!

Your not seeing the variableness. So, your interpretation is fatalistic, not mine. Your simplifying in your mind too much and not seeing beyond the mere letter of the words. It's so much subtler than that. You're looking at the words as if separate from the conjuring, even the process of conjuring is more complex than it's discussion. Take it in... it's complexity is what makes it organic. No. I used to feel this way, but not anymore. Because things are empty, movement happens. The pure and simple space of awareness is able to apprehend limitless complexities without having to have a thought about them.

Got into an argument with the girlfriend and she is trying to take revenge by hijacking my pseudonym here. We've already kissed and made up... but... she can be... this way.

Throw salt over your shoulder for good luck. Don't walk under a ladder being used. 7 years bad luck for breaking a mirror. I suppose one can empower these beliefs with faith and make them seem to become real for you personally. But I don't believe in any inherent property either way with these.

"Your company creates your destiny" = Muktananda