Vajrahridaya

Very good!! Ha! Considering my diksha name given to me at 10 years old is Hari (A name for Krishna). HAHA!!! GET OFF MY CHARIOT YOU BUDDHIST SCOUNDREL!! HOW DARE YOU SAY THERE IS NO SUPREME SOURCE TO EXISTENCE, I AM THAT SOURCE>>> DARN IT!!

Ok... sure. But, the difference being exposed here is the reality... that you guy's name a source, though as transcendent of concepts as it may be and as both immaterial and material as it may be. It's a source... In Buddhism, the experience of a source of things is merely an over zealous identification with a state of meditation. It's very deep, please don't get me wrong and it leads to all sorts of wisdoms and spiritual traditions that help countless people to realize a deeper meaning and attain a higher state of cognition and capacity. But... we don't see a source, there is no source in Buddhism, either named or unnamed, either of being or beyond being, concept or a non-conceptual concept or a non-conceptual state of experience that is a source of all things. The main difference is, is there a source of existence? Buddhism say's no... dependent origination means endless regress, no start, no primal source. Taoism as quoted in the TTC... There was something undefined and complete, existing before Heaven and Earth. How still it was, how formless, standing alone and undergoing no change, reaching everywhere with no danger of being exhausted. It may be regarded as the mother of all things. Truthfully it has no name, but I call it Tao (TTC, chapter 25) Also... Tao is simultaneously dispassionate and nurturing... Because all beings are manifestations of Tao, Tao - by definition - gives of itself wholly and completely to each. But by the same token, Tao is indifferent to the disposition of mere manifestations. Birth and death and life itself, from the perspective of Tao, are only movements and transformations of form. So you see what I'm getting at here? The above is not the same realization as what is a Buddhist realization of the nature of cosmos.

The immaterial consciousness thought the material into it's vessel... It's quite simple. Like electricity and wires... We produce electricity but are also products of it. interdependent origination.

But this is the source of existence? I know your not understanding us... It's quite clear. You are far too attached to a... non-thing that is the source of all things. Nope, still not getting dependent origination. I don't get your meaning, I knew that you were going to say what you said too... what does that mean? No, I understand perfectly. I've experienced what you call the Tao. That sense of oneness, that state of meditation where darkness is illumined and there is no concept of there ever having been an Earth or any realm to consider. A state of meditation where infinite perception of non-perception is the only way to describe it in words. Where one comes out of it and see's the world manifest before thee as if out of the light of consciousness? Where one experiences exquisite bliss for all beings and feel's that you are one with all beings and that you are in fact the essence of all beings and all beings are your own essence? One wonder's why anyone suffer's anyway when they are all essentially this... wholeness that is the being of all being? Yes, I know... This is still just a state of absorption and identifying that as the true nature of all being is really just a mis-understanding of the experience. There is a deeper comprehension...

Even the Buddha had people who wanted to kill him. I don't think these people even really want to kill us, they just want us out. So, that's not completely the measure as ego runs deep, and deep diggers will always hit bone.

Oh, but the bigger picture of harmony is always at hand, even if it's to stir up junk unintentionally due to just being openly you... And not catering to peoples ego's very well due to just seeing right through... In English yes... but in a Buddhist context it takes on much subtler meanings. It also pertains to this idea that there is a......"unamableness" that is both immaterial and material. For a Buddhist in a very subtle, deeply so way, that's reification of a universal "source of all being" which we completely just see as a subtle condition for future unconscious re-birth, even if you make it to a high heaven realm for eon's and eon's... eventually... because it's based upon a focus or surrender to a "unamable" that is the soul of all things... that mysteriousness... when form looses weight, you'll find yourself jumping into the boiling pot again with your co-hearts saying, "lets all be as one"!! Then..... when that merit is burned up... another universe is expelled and you along with it as an amoeba to go through the whole karmic cycle again, from low to high... over and over and over... All because you didn't understand the subtle truth that dependent origination points to. Exactly... not even saying it, experiencing as such... When the Buddhist realization experiences no such "is" but rather the realization "is" of the fact that there is no unchanging "is" even if deemed immaterial. This is really going towards a state of experience that fully transcends words that words are merely pointing to, on both occasions from the perspective of the Tao is this non-conceptualness, is a non-conceptual experience and the fact the Buddhists deny this on a non-conceptual basis, so... we're trying to have a word fight about non-conceptual experiences. So, it's very hard to get a handle on what's really going on. But to put it simply... The Buddha say's that karma even permeates the non-conceptual... even permeates into the state of recognizing being and non-being, or the immaterial that is also material. So... the Tao is still a karma repository to a Buddhist.

Indeed. Lots and lots of females...

Oh!! I forgot to say... writing on here or anywhere is a practice too... In fact, every moment is practice of the Dharma.

Buddhism in Vajrayana has lots of physical practices that are very intense but secret and not widely known. So... we get these teachings from the outset. Soooo... Anyway... also I guess your Italian? In Spanish it is San Juan De La Cruz as he was Spanish. His works are considered the most beautiful works in the Spanish language by both Spaniards and Mexicans. I looooooved his work. Wow... to be trapped in a jail cell, forced to uncomfortably stand because the cell was so small, and to transcend that pain and anguish through focusing on the transcendent. Amaaaazing. I've gone through similar pains in my life and did the same, through focus... it works. Bliss of the nature of things is on the other side! p.s. In Dzogchen we surrender to Rigpa, which is the blissful experience of the empty nature of all phenomena and experiences. Yes, yes!!!

That dark night is really just the experience of coming up against own's own self created walls of perception that limit love, compassion, and consciousness, through various conditional identifications that we are conditioned to identify with and hold as absolute truths... like, "THAT IS MY DAD" that just died, "THAT IS MY MOTHER" who just ran from me at 10.... etc. Some identify further with these pains, these knots of identity and reify more, to the point of total self destruction and nihilism. Those on wisdom paths, contemplate the wisdom teachings and end up on the other side of them freer and wiser.

Indeed... or they don't actually experience what they thought they believed in, because in that moment of pulling the wire... most likely... tons of fear comes in and they realize their blind faith as their bardo body floats through all their regrets and unfulfilled desires. Who knows... each individual is very complicated.

lots and lots of mantra... om ah hum's, om mani padme hum's, om ah hum vajra guru padma siddhi hum plus t'hun's which include tantra, mantra, mudra and dzogchen contemplation, and sometimes i get to an anusara yoga class or i do a yantra tibetan yoga practice at home... i used to do everyday... Oh my practice changes over the years to intense to less so, back to intense... what's it to ya, eh? What do you do?

Indeed! Whole heartedly!

If you find that a good reason to be alive... then that's fine, you can have it. That seems to be attachment to delusional states of consciousness to me, not that this would matter to you at all of course.

Dependent origination is non-dual duality that is really non-dual... sort of speak. D.O. show's how arisings happen without really happening. Read more Nagarjuna and meditate like a Chitamattrin/Yogacarin otherwise the talk will remain talk and the subtle meaning or intention of the words will not be understood directly. The subtle difference is that it's reified in Taoism, and said to be the cause of all things... It's not a hang up, we are pointing to two different realizations. Taoists are taking a state of absorption where thoughts and perceptions are suppressed for a period and coming out one sees manifestations take shape as if out of the light of perception and then reify there experience as a source of all existence, then they try to integrate this with everything. These formless jhanas of which I have experience are talked about quite a bit in Buddhism. You might like to read, Myriad Worlds. Take care. Why, it is a permanent state of realization where no more seeds for getting caught in duality can possibly be made, only seeds that play through duality made of the turning around of beginningless Samsara into Endless Nirvana. So we see Samsara as Nirvana. That's the final outcome at least. I'm not saying that I'm a Buddha, please... Zhuo Ming-Dao, What I mean to say is that seeing the details of the relative all through dependent origination, one experiences the emptiness of it, while it all does it's little dance. Not like a witness either, but as a total integration, as emptiness is the quality of all arisings and emptiness is the quality of emptiness as emptiness is merely a conjunct of all experiences and forms. It's not a transcendence, it's a perfect seeing of the two truths, of dependent origination and of karma that allows one to be free from it while it still play's on. Because all things are dependently originated, they are inherently empty, thus ultimately there is no karma, no buddha, etc. But relatively there is, which is only a way of talking, thus the two truths model. Dzogchen transcends the two truths model because it's not a way of talking it's a way of experiencing.

There is a permanent state of recognizing, that is enlightenment... endless abode of pure bliss. It's called many names that are not to be taken seriously. But yes... a Buddha keeps on projecting into Samsara from the state of Nirvana... said for the sake of understanding only.

You make a lot of violence... I'm not a Buddha... Also... there's plenty of people here who enjoy my posts. People are scared to say it because they are scared to get attacked, but they tell me in private. Your view of me is quite subjective... but of course you want teammates in order to validate your oddly subjectively annoyed position that doesn't talk much of your state of mind. Of course, this is going to turn into another attempt to attack me personally. Have at it, it seems to be the only cause for your postings. I give you reason to be! Just kidding. Don't take that seriously or serious taker.

Sometimes you actually do make me laugh out loud. Thanks!

Yes, because Hinduism never really spread outside of India and India just became Hindu again, or a new type of Hinduism that is somewhat a crypto-Buddhism called Advaita Vedanta turned the country Hindu again after the Muslims destroyed various Buddhist schools and temples 1,200 years ago? Buddhism during it's big conquests took China, Japan, and Buddhism was way up north past India, and was all of India, Shri Lanka, lots of the small Islands all around Asia including Korea, Thailand, Vietnam. The amount of Buddhas over the years vastly outnumbers the amount of Siddhas of Hinduism. I'm not saying that Hinduism brings people to full enlightenment, though maybe some people did realize full enlightenment by transcending the Hindu concepts... who knows how one internalizes concepts?

Your reading something in there that is not intended. The state of mind is free from dependent origination, is dissolved of it, see's it as the ultimate unconditioned, though one still acts through it seemingly, but because of what dependent origination means= One's mind is rested in the realization of emptiness, thus no arising, no dependent co-arising either. It's quite madhyamika, relative and ultimate truth. The school that most informs is Dzogchen which transcends the two truths model because samsara is nirvana, but I get information from every perspective within Vajrayana. No Marblehead, you only think you are. As you think that when you die your mindstream also dies... and that's probably what you'll experience and your next life won't have any trace of memory of a previous one, because that's what you believe and experience arises dependent upon intention and belief. I choose the viewless view and actually see what all this is about. Yes, but not ultimate emptiness, it doesn't apply to the Tao. There is still this substratum that we all come from and will be re-absorbed back into at the end of the universal expression during the big crunch, if that is your focus that is.

And then what's next? I don't recall Hinduism much talking about what happens after Maha-samadhi except getting to sit in bliss in some bliss realm. Highly realized Buddhists of which there have been more than highly realized Hindu's seem to do just fine without an ultimate Self of all. We still manifest deep compassion, and unconditional love. We see that we are all connected, not one. We see that we all have the same potential, but we are not one Self.