Vajrahridaya

Thanks seadog. Indeed, that is very key. Empathy!

I do agree that the sin-ification of sex is a great disservice to mankind and mostly a Catholic concoction. Even in ancient Indian poetry, both Buddhist and Hindu, there are great saints who were concubines and used the sexual experience as a way to realize the true nature of all things. Here's a teaching poem... 39 The Siddha Babhaha, The Free Lover Pleasure! pleasure! unconditional pleasure! Unconditional desireless pleasure! Every thought-form perceived as pleasure! 0 what unattainable secret pleasure! Babhaha, Prince of Dhanjur, was intoxicated by the thrills of sensual pleasure. One day he spoke with a wise yogin who had come begging at the palace. The yogin inspired faith in him, and he asked for precepts to assist him in his sexual practice. "Consummation, the samaya, is the fountain of all mystical experience; the Guru is the source of all success," were the precepts the yogin gave him. He then bestowed the initiation that transfers grace upon the prince, and instructed him in the fulfillment yoga technique of psychic channels, vital energies and seed essence: In the lotus mandala of your partner, A superior consort, Mingle your white seed With her ocean of red seed. Then absorb, raise and diffuse the elixir And your ecstacy will never end. Then to raise the pleasure beyond pleasure Visualize it inseparable from emptiness. After twelve years of profound experience in this technique, the prince found that the obscurations of his vision had vanished, and he gained siddhi. He sang: As the king of geese Separates water from milk The Guru's precepts Draw up the ambrosial elixir He served his disciples well before eventually attaining bodily the Dakini's Paradise. Sadhana Babhaha is taught the fulfillment process technique called Eternal Delight in the Six Yogas of Naropa. The same result can be achieved with or without a partner, using someone else's body or using one's own body.109 The practice for the celibate yogin is described in Nalinapa's legend (40), and such use of sexual energy is considered more desirable in the Tibetan tradition. But the well known axiom "No mahamudra without karma-mudra," where the female consort is the karma-mudra, and the central place that this yoga holds amongst the fulfillment stage topics, indicates its significance. The tradition defines "the superior consort" in physical terms, employing the criteria of the Indian science of erotics, as explained in texts such as the Kamasutra: the padmini is the best partner. Regarding the yoga itself, psychic channels carry the vital energies that consist of seed-essence; and the essence of the yoga is the skill in controlling the subtle energies. First, energy is sent downward to the sexual center; second, with perfect control, male and female energy is intermingled under the power of retention; third, the elixir of pleasure and emptiness united is raised, like a goose drawing water out of milk, up the central channel; and fourth, it is diffused throughout the psycho-organism by the constantly bifurcating "capillary" channels. With the withdrawal of "pleasure and emptiness indivisible" up the central channel, the four levels of joy are experienced at the four main cakras, and by saturation of the body-mind, eternal delight is achieved, and ultimately rainbow body is possible. The technical description of the technique should not obscure the sine qua non of a "spiritual relationship" between the yogin and his consort. Although the female body is being used as a source of "nectar," without a totally open, empathetic and responsive relationship, the yoga will fail. Further, desirelessness is the key to success, and insofar as such a state cannot be attained by striving, the pleasure that results from consummation is "unattainable." Finally, as Babhaha's Guru implies at the beginning, this practice is physically and mentally dangerous and requires a skillful guide. The samaya he mentions can be interpreted in several ways, all of them equally vital: it may be maintaining the relative vows and commitments of the vajrayana, or of this specific practice; it may be the samaya, the body, speech and mind union, of Guru and Dakini where Vajrayogini is the Dakini; or it may be the fully empathetic responsiveness of yogin and yogini in their sexual encounter. Historiography The meaning of Babhaha can only be inferred from the Tibetan translation "He who draws water from milk" (T. Chu las 'o ma len), referring to the yogin's ability to suck up the essential female bodhicitta from the intermingling of nectars in the bhaga mandala into the central channel. There is an eastern belief that geese have the facility of sucking out water from milk, thus keeping the milkman honest. Babhaha, which could be onomatopoeic, is also spelled Bhalaha, Bhamva, Babhahi, Baha and Bapabhati. His home town of Dhanjur is unidentified, as is his Guru.

You see, the difference is that for the Buddha, the true nature of experience is the ultimate Truth, not the experience itself. Vedanta takes up the experience itself as an ultimate Truth and the true identity or Self. But the Buddha say's that all experiences, even non-conceptual formless experiences are dependently originated. So, realization in Buddhism is an interpretation of experience, not an experience. Which is why in Buddhism, the first part of the 8 fold noble path is "right view". So, one needs a conceptual ground to work from, to meditate from so that one doesn't start to reify a transcendent experience as ultimate Truth or ultimate identity of all things which is a subtle clinging, a subtle pride. Where one makes the experience, "God" of everything. Songofdistantearth. Your having a hard time seeing this. That Buddhism has no ultimate Truth, only relativity. That is the ultimate Truth of Buddhism, and thus the middle way beyond eternalism and nihilism. This is what Dependent Origination teaches and this teaching as far as I can tell is not in any other tradition. All other traditions label ultimate truth an absolute "it", even if it's nameless, or beyond concepts. That's still a subtle clinging.

Take care... keep contemplating my words which effect you so much.

Well, Buddhism does teach something that no other path on earth teaches in it's view. The Buddha said it's the only path to liberation. So, either he was lying, ignorant, or telling the truth. He didn't say that I am the light, the way. But, he said that a particular realization about the nature of reality is the only way. Buddhism seems to be the only path that truly articulates this realization with utter clarity. No, they influence beings. Being in peace or meditating on the nature of things helps others. I went into debt buying books for people that I had just met online from around the world about 7 years ago for a number of years. I went on a buy books for everyone kick, charging it to my credit cards. I still haven't been able to pay that debt off, thousands of dollars worth in fact. I did years of selfless service, even worked for a deeply wise yogi who had muscular dystrophy for 2 years. I worked on a food line for a number of years that served thousands of people per day in the summer time in the mid 90's. Opportunities for self sacrifice to help others arise all the time. Trying to get the Dharma through to people is considered actually one of the highest services one can do for mankind because the vast majority of people follow erroneous paths. Talking about this will probably just be considered egotistical.

I'll try one more. Buddha's teachings is a path that attempts to pull people out of the programing of coming from one source and returning to one source. Which is a constant recycling that is beginningless.

Wow... you are a trampoline. It's sad... you can't really read, but you can sure insult what you don't understand. I'm actually sad for you. I know, I shouldn't pity. Well, I'm glad you do some practices and have some spiritual experience. This will lead to higher rebirth.

Black Hat is Karma Kagyu under the leadership of the Karmapa. They are a very good lineage with many deeply realized masters. Galugpa's are also wonderful, but mostly they are very scholarly, but they serve a good purpose, not my favorite lineage though. But yes there was corruption in the politics. Not the Dalai Lama himself as he did not even have power during the time he was in Tibet. If you watch the movie, "Kundun". It's a good biography, you'll learn some things. The Dalai Lama is quite realized. He's very highly realized in fact. He's not interested in the politics though he has tried to step down, the Tibetan people won't allow him, so he stay's to serve that purpose. Nyingmapa which is the old tradition, and the original lineage of the Vajrayana that came from Padmasambhava from India which are the ones that generally teach Dzogchen, are the least dogmatic and more about direct experiencing.

It's because the debate challenges deep seeded beliefs that are the reason for a persons life. So the defensiveness comes from this insecure identity. When one is challenged so deeply, one resorts to personal attacks out of frustration. Debate, both inwardly and outwardly is part of the spiritual path. Personal attacking is probably not the best way to go about it though.

Ok... I'll try to simplify through more words. Since your having a hard time unpacking less words. It means basically that to mistake any experience as a solid Self, is a deeply subtle pride. It's what the Buddha say's is the cause for rebirth in the Deva realms or the long lived formless consciousness realms. It's also the cause of being a first born in a cosmic eon after the last cosmic eon passes into formless potentiality, which Toaism and Hinduism seems to take as the absolute Truth of things, that formless potentiality. Being the first born, seeing all else come after your formless awakened awareness one thinks that one is the actual creator of everything else and that all things are one with you literally on a substantial non-conceptual level. It's a very deeply blissful state and hugely powerful, but it's also ignorance. In Vedic cosmology they talk about how when his eyes are closed there is no universe and then when his eyes open the universe is there, they also do it the other way around. It's a cosmology based upon this assumption though. It's put many different way's in Vedanta, but it's basically reifying a formless source of all existence. So, it's the biggest form of narcissism and the subtlest as it seems non-dual, compassionate as you experience love and bliss for everyone but it does not have omniscience, or insight. It's a very deep delusion that's extremely hard to get over because it's a very, very attractive type of ignorance. But, it's a false liberation as when the merit dies out, that long lived god state will go to sleep, and awaken in a new cosmos completely ignorant of what happened, until one see's emptiness/D.O. directly and starts awakening memories in one's storehouse. Memories that are even older than the current cosmic eon. I hope I'm wrong about this feeling I'm having that I'm talking to a trampoline. She doesn't use any drug at all actually. She's quite a good Hindu Yogini. Quite clear and saintly.

Oh! Great tags by the way. You really showed me... man. I'm glad I live next to my Mom... I can go there and cry to her and ask if I can maybe crawl into her bed so she can comfort me.

For you it would be the 8-fold noble path. Of course you won't admit how wrong you are. I have a number of times online. I'm very proud of that. As a narcissist, ya know?

I'm older than you. Thought is not the same as insight. This is fun! Your interpretation of spirituality is very Vedantic. In Buddhism, those who know, talk. Because the truth of existence is not an un-knowable mystery, like it is in other traditions. Buddhism is different. Also, it's just something I enjoy doing, as I learn more and more every day I post here. I'm also interested in learning and always am. I spend plenty of time reading things online for free. But, I am selling many books right now in fact that I've read. I'm selling all the time. My Ebay is a1annah Just a couple weeks ago I sold tons and tons of Hindu things. I follow the path of the Buddha's who don't follow the path of the Self. They all speak volumes because the path of the Self seems quite natural and logical to Samsarins from gods to humans, so it takes the right concepts in order to get the "right view" which is the first part of the 8 fold noble path. Also your level of subjectivity is quite strong. I work online pretty much all the time and everyday. I didn't tell you what I do, but obviously you don't read many of my posts with clarity. I've mentioned that I have an Ebay business and that's all that I do for money, until the pedicabbing season starts up a bit later then I'll do that as well here in St. Pete. I go to auctions, and I search for Curb Alerts and pick up things for free to re-sell. I also talk to my girlfriend online through Skype pretty much all day while I work. Like right now in fact. I also play my practice DVD through my computer and my puja is right next to my computer as well. I also don't watch TV because I like to avoid commercials. I download my T.V. shows and watch them on my computer in between doing work or at the same time. I also skateboard and ride my bike, been skating for 21 years. You are subjective in your understanding because you are attached to an essential Self of all, the deepest narcissism that one can have so you think that your projections are intuition. Tonight I have a Transmission from Rinpoche that will take place at 4 a.m. our time for free, and again I use my computer as it's a live webcast. I'm also a writer which I use my computer for. My girlfriend is getting ready to move from Toronto to Florida and spends her time packing all night lately. I don't sleep much by the way. I'm also up all night because I worked a night audit shift at a hotel from 2000 to 2004, then I worked nights in NYC for 5 years and I just moved here about 3 weeks ago and it's just my schedule pretty much. Though I do try to get up before noon everyday to work out and do my practice. Sometimes I'm up only a few hours after sleep and am just too excited. I hope my excitement doesn't stress you out. Just like your interpretation of the Buddha, you have no idea what your talking about when it comes to both me and Buddhism. Your pride of ignorance is your only leverage. Which you cannot express very well so instead you spend your time attacking someone who you can only assume about. Don't you have anything better to do? No, it's actually kind of fun and humorous actually. You are getting genuine Dharma teachings at the same time, though you don't understand them yet. You just make an ass of yourself, to yourself, because your interpretation of me is a false reality, any assumption of me is a hallucination. So it's like your making someone up in your mind to throw darts at, but really it's like throwing darts at yourself because that's the only reality of the image. I share this information so that finally you can see yourself more clearly. When you know your wrong, you can finally start learning how to be right. Ya know? I have in fact, I have admitted that I could be wrong about Taoist interpretation of cosmos on the thread put up by Sillicon... sound familiar? Then I re-read the Tao De Ching and see reification of a mysterious non-conceptual ground of all being, that everything is supposed to be a modification of? Buddhas teaching cuts through that mysterious unknowableness, thus there is true omniscience through Buddhism. Yes, I can indeed quote many Buddhas to prove Lau Tzu wrong. Then again, maybe it's just the English translations of his words that give the wrong assumptions? This happens with Dzogchen texts a whole lot. So many Westerners mistaken Dzogchen teachings as a reification of some Divine source of all reality due to reading translations. Which is a mis-interpretation of the teaching. Oh... also it took a lot to realize that the Buddhas teachings were subtler than Vedanta, because I grew up reifying a source of all existence, both intellectually, and experientially, so my intuition was all based upon this fundamental lie that keeps endless beings recycling. I admitted my conversion to the very people I argued against for years on E-Sangha. If you can really prove me wrong with scriptural support and logic. Which you think I have none of, then I'll humbly concede only after I apply the information to my meditation and experience the truth of your assertions first hand. As experience is what it took to convert me to Buddhism. I grew up with a view such as yours, not understanding Buddhism, thinking much like Dwai that all these Buddhists mis-interpret the Buddha and Vedanta has the real understanding of what the Buddha taught. It was quite hard to convert for me, and it took a lot of letting go, it was very painful and took a number of years of contemplation and inner debate. But, my quest is for Truth, not dogma. The Vedas pose a deep dogma that all being comes from one source and that there is an intelligent personal/impersonal creator of all things. That all paths lead to the same truth because they come from the same truth. This is based upon a mistaken cognition and mistaken interpretation of spiritual experience. Oh, I loooove Florida. I don't get neck injuries trying to look at the sky. Summer is pretty much year round. The waters are so warm. The air so much clearer. People are so much nicer and I feel again that I'm where I'm supposed to be. My Mom lives here and it's just very nice for me. Thanks for proving more of your subjectivity to yourself again. If you took a second to look at yourself with even a little bit of objectivity you would see how full of crap you are. You take your time to read my posts, mistinterpret them, call them boring, then follow me around and attack me personally starting whole new threads just to do so. I must threaten you? When you don't know the first thing about me, or my life, or my history. Your entire interpretation of me is based upon ill informed assumptions. Or pre-conceptions based upon the fact that I'm making you insecure by subverting your interpretation of cosmos. So, you have to kill the enemy. Screw the words, just kill the enemy, go for the throat. I hope I didn't bore you to death this time.

You can actually extract the prana from your ejaculate before you release. You can also empower your ejaculate through samadhi states and give states of consciousness to your partner... this is getting into secret tantra, or highest yoga tantra, or Kula ritual stuff in Shaivism. I'm sure they have this information in Taoist sexual tantra practices too as I've seen books about it in Taoist sections.

I love you brother. The largest Narcissism is the reification of the experience of emptiness as the ultimate subsuming nature of all beings. This interpreting the experience into a formless substratum as the Self of all is the most subtle narcissism that merely leads to future recycling. It has been YOUR very habit since beginningless time. It's taking the lock for the key. "Enlightening the House of Brahma in the fontanelle Stroking the uvala in wanton delight, Confused, believing binding pleasure to be spiritual release, The vain fools calls himself a yogin...... ......His mind takes brass for gold, Momentary peak experience for reality accomplished; Clinging to the joy of ephemeral dreams He calls his short-thrift life Eternal Bliss..... .....With a discursive understanding of the symbol EVAM, Creating four seals through an analysis of the moment, He labels his peak experience sahaja: (spontaneous) He is clinging to a reflection mistaken for the mirror." -Excerpt from Saraha's Royal Song by Saraha ....................................................................................................... Nagarjuna's Mahamudra Vision Homage to Manjusrikumarabhuta! "1. I bow down to the all-powerful Buddha Whose mind is free of attachment, Who in his compassion and wisdom Has taught the inexpressible. 2. In truth there is no birth - Then surely no cessation or liberation; The Buddha is like the sky And all beings have that nature. 3. Neither Samsara nor Nirvana exist, But all is a complex continuum With an intrinsic face of void, The object of ultimate awareness. 4. The nature of all things Appears like a reflection, Pure and naturally quiescent, With a non-dual identity of suchness. 5. The common mind imagines a self Where there is nothing at all, And it conceives of emotional states - Happiness, suffering, and equanimity. 6. The six states of being in Samsara, The happiness of heaven, The suffering of hell, Are all false creations, figments of mind. 7. Likewise the ideas of bad action causing suffering, Old age, disease and death, And the idea that virtue leads to happiness, Are mere ideas, unreal notions. 8. Like an artist frightened By the devil he paints, The sufferer in Samsara Is terrified by his own imagination. 9. Like a man caught in quicksands Thrashing and struggling about, So beings drown In the mess of their own thoughts. 10. Mistaking fantasy for reality Causes an experience of suffering; Mind is poisoned by interpretation Of consciousness of form. 11. Dissolving figment and fantasy With a mind of compassionate insight, Remain in perfect awareness In order to help all beings. 12. So acquiring conventional virtue Freed from the web of interpretive thought, Insurpassable understanding is gained As Buddha, friend to the world. 13. Knowing the relativity of all, The ultimate truth is always seen; Dismissing the idea of beginning, middle and end The flow is seen as Emptiness. 14. So all samsara and nirvana is seen as it is - Empty and insubstantial, Naked and changeless, Eternally quiescent and illumined. 15. As the figments of a dream Dissolve upon waking, So the confusion of Samsara Fades away in enlightenment. 16. Idealising things of no substance As eternal, substantial and satisfying, Shrouding them in a fog of desire The round of existence arises. 17. The nature of beings is unborn Yet commonly beings are conceived to exist; Both beings and their ideas Are false beliefs. 18. It is nothing but an artifice of mind This birth into an illusory becoming, Into a world of good and evil action With good or bad rebirth to follow. 19. When the wheel of mind ceases to turn All things come to an end. So there is nothing inherently substantial And all things are utterly pure. 20. This great ocean of samsara, Full of delusive thought, Can be crossed in the boat Universal Approach. Who can reach the other side without it?" Colophon The Twenty Mahayana Verses, (in Sanskrit, Mahayanavimsaka; in Tibetan: Theg pa chen po nyi shu pa) were composed by the master Nagarjuna. They were translated into Tibetan by the Kashmiri Pandit Ananda and the Bhikshu translator Drakjor Sherab (Grags 'byor shes rab). They have been translated into English by the Anagarika Kunzang Tenzin on the last day of the year 1973 in the hope that the karma of the year may be mitigated. May all beings be happy! The Buddhas teachings and his interpretation of Vedic terminology is different. His interpretation of Nirvana is different. His realization of the depth of Samsara is subtler.

I have the Ashtavakara Gita or the Bent in 8 places song. No, it does not talk about the same realization. Your opinion of my clunky words are subjective as many have found them valuable and "beautiful". You have no idea what I mean by "source", "creation", or "Guru" in my poem. You have not even understood the first turning of the Buddhas wheel yet, so how could you comprehend the subtle Dzogchen? Your Ashtavakara Gita is substantial non-dual eternalism, basically reifying formless states of consciousness, it's still Monist Theism at heart. The subtle difference is true and it's not my fault that you don't understand because the Buddha explained it, many other's have, including Nagarjuna, and I have explained it in so many way's here that if you haven't gotten it yet... that's just the way it is for you right now. Plenty here have had a realization of what is meant in Buddhism by ultimate truth, and it's not the same as what is taught in the Vedantic Ashtavakara Gita. Most who have not seen emptiness directly will have no clue about the difference because you think D.O. is a lower truth than Godhead and one reifies the experience of emptiness as the experiencer, thus missing out on what emptiness actually means beyond experiencing. The difference is oh so subtle. Most who do not understand the explanation of the 31 planes of existence as well as the real meaning of vipassana (applied D.O.) transcending Jhana will just be clueless. I don't care about your college courses. I know P.H.D.'s who are clueless about the real meaning of the Buddha's teachings, including my own dear P.H.D. of a mother who's Hindu self I truly love and adore, who's been meditating for 40 years and experiencing the 8th consciousness or Alaya Vijnana interpreted as Self (Nirguna Brahman, Parashiva) for well over 15 years now. You have not yet realized how subtle Samsara is.

Bliss is the secret reason behind movement. Why else move except for the sake of joy, for the sake of finding joy or decreasing pain. The difference between an enlightened being and a un-enlightened being is that an enlightened being dances or moves out of joy, and for the joy of others, teaches for the sake of others. While the un-enlightened dance and move so that they can experience joy.

One can start channeling high spirits in that state. Of course for Buddhism, the explanation is something other than a primal spirit taking rightful ownership. It's just connecting to some high spirit in one of the higher of the 31 planes of existence. Findley. What you say is right in one way. But, we do our practice in order to have greater calm and happiness, so we do utilize bliss, because from that bliss is also compassion and unconditional love, relaxation, healing... etc. To identify with it is of course erroneous. But, that bliss goes hand in hand with realizing the true nature of things. If it weren't blissful, it wouldn't be worth the practice. You know? At the same time, being a bliss bunny is better than being an angry bear or angry wolf type, ya know?

Change of Heart My life's joy used to depend upon such a complex assortment of tricks. And what I received from many hours and days of hard work, never gave me satisfaction, only a shadow of joy, a glimpse of contentment. Since my dependency was so engraved in tangible evidence it was fickle and I needed continual support from that dust. How foolish was I, to build my castle out of sand, for those magnificent structures of petty desires are doomed for destruction at the wash of the first wave from the ocean of life's change upon the surface of this existence. But now a glorious wonder has taken life inside of me. A change greatly welcomed, through the power of precious teachers glance, loves flame has been lit on an eternal wick in the cup of my heart, and its bliss is all pervading, continuous and embraces all, my vision is now deeper than surface. Now its the simple things in life which reflect my unhidden inner treasure. Unbidden are loves spontaneous surges that well up from inside when I glance at the luminous moon high above in the twinkling night sky. Or the sweet playfull laugh of a child in his mothers' arms, this laugh that's without reason but with rhyme, on time with the pulse and rhythm of life's eternal throb. Or when watching the suns light falling through a collage of colorful leaves in autumn during a walk in mentally stilled silence, the boundless joy can be staggering. Yet the most astounding experiences of my own great joy occur when I am sitting alone in my room contemplating this wellspring of nectar that has taken up residence in my very own being. This joy that is independent and based on the source of existence and not this coming and going merry go round of life's myriad shapes and sizes. Its this inner divinity that I take flight in when unasked for beauty touches my senses, and since there is no grasping for or task towards, all that I experience is pure love in essence on display in glorious manifestation. And this is the pulse that I dance to as I skip to each moments passing. Praise be to you, oh sweet Guru, the lord of this amazing creation. Love, Hari

Yeah, that was me and that's it.

I was thinking that today when I was looking over what people were saying about "The Secret of the Golden Flower" and it seems to co-relate. It wouldn't surprise me. Taoism and Vajrayana and Shaivite Tantra co-relate in a lot of ways.

YAY! the price of fresh water will skyrocket!! Oh yeah, that's good, utilize the ever present power of the sun... that's an idea that needed to be implemented yesterday.

It's only shallow if you think that the barrage of experiences that occur when illumination happens is a kind of divine source, or essential nature of all things that is taking control of you, that you are releasing too. When really it is just the light of your own awareness illuminating one's closet and karmic baggage, both positive and negative. If this has been done through a transmission it is merely the light of someone else penetrating your light and waking yours up. Here's an interesting quote.

Nope, not really, considering that Hinayana is just a stage in development leading naturally to Mahayana eventually.

It's not an illusion, it's just only a chair conventionally. It's really made of different materials, workmanship, particles, atoms, etc. I don't believe in illusion, only delusional thinking. Nothing is what it is in and of itself.