Vajrahridaya

Yes, I've read Thomas Aquinas and enjoy him. The Buddha said his Bodhisattvas would manifest in different traditions in order to apply clarity through that cultural paradigm of teaching. That's fine and good. But, it's still clear that on earth, in all practical senses, it's Buddhism from the first turning to Dzogchen that has the most clarity, availability of methodology, vastness of available written down wisdom teachings. Skipping of vague parables that can be understood in so many different ways and going straight for the jugular of what the actual issue's are and the way to alleviate them. Try to find through Thomas Aquinas some real methodology that leads to the Jalus. Try to find some real teachings on the stages of the path to realization of the nature of all things as being without inherent identity? It's not that other teachings aren't good, but that other teachings just are not as clear from beginning to end. Also the methodology generally is not there or available anymore, etc. Yes, I know. I've had this very discussion many times many years ago. Yes, I've been hugged by Amma a few times. She's deep, most likely a long lived God born into flesh. She serves a good purpose on Earth that's worthy of many love tears. I wouldn't make her my root Guru though, as she doesn't have methodology that leads to how to integrate Love into Jalus. Unless your getting some sort of secret teachings in Dream Yoga? She also teaches of some "Divine Will" (cosmic movement with one purpose) behind everything that we can all rely on and surrender to. She believes and teaches that all things come from one source, or one essential substance that is beyond concepts. Some non-conceptual ultimate, which of course Nagarjuna warns us the pitfalls of. This subtle seed concept will just end up re-absorbing you blissfully at the end of a cosmic eon. Thinking you are going back to the, "one", but merely to be re-expressed ignorantly according to your karmic potentialities in the next cosmic eon, that you have hidden in this non-conceptual "basis of all" that you think is the absolute Truth, and Source of all existence. In the next cosmic eon, maybe if your karmas are aligned as such because of intense identity with a God in this cosmic eon, you will be as a long lived God that comes to people in blissful dreams and starts Theistic religions telling the person that your love is the way and the light, and that you are in and through all beings, the supreme source of all things. Maybe you'll even incarnate physically from time to time to tell people how much you are the source of all beings and that you love all beings, and that you are the consciousness of all consciousness'. I do have many memories.

Hi Scotty, Thank you... pranams. Um, well... what to share? If you read Crystal and the Way of Light. That's an awesome book with tons of information compressed into a short volume. You'll find many answers there if you read the details and contemplate them. Jalus is deeply compassionate, as it actually dissolves one's physical karmas into the radiance's of one's own clear and luminous mind nature, the empty nature of one's beginning-less karmas, so one's Nirmanakaya can stay manifest on a level that is very connected to those with physical awareness and it's easier to manifest for beings spontaneously in a way that they can perceive from this realization than from the Sambhogakaya which takes high realization to have direct contact with. Of course, if one realizes the Dharmakaya, one can manifest many Nirmanakayas from the Sambhogakaya according to the way one's personal infinite history has been transformed to merit through selfless realization and selfless offering throughout one's practice carrier as a Bodhisattva. Crystal and the Way of Light is a very good start to understanding the Jalus. Thanks for your query Scotty! That shows compassion and merit to even wish to know such things. Om Ah Hum! Ah... that's the work my man... that's the work. I do agree, I seem to be misunderstood plenty, which is my fault for not being able to relate more clearly or with more perfect wording. Like people extrapolate a meaning from my words that were not even intentionally conveyed, and I don't mean necessarily in a positive sense of seeing something beneficial. Yes, hopefully my coming school carrier will help me lots, and I have a feeling it will. I'm sure it will offer a different type of discipline that I've not yet partook of.

Oh thou dost assumist so... Chogyal Namkhai Norbu Rinpoche was a professor in Italy for 30 years before he formally started teaching Dzogchen. He learned some European mysticism. I was raised in a universalist all is one view through Siddha Yoga my entire life before having a Dzogchen realization and memories, inner experiences related to Om Mani Padme Hum. I had many with Om Namah Shivaya for many years before that though. I am educated in quite a bit about the history of all world religions. I've read through different bible versions, the dead sea scrolls, the nag hammadi library and had many different level's of experiences through the reads. I've read the texts of Miester Eckhart, St. Theresa of Avila and Lesuiex. St Francis of Assisi of which many texts I've read and have a deep connection to, though the realization is not as subtle as Buddhist realization. I've read Hildegard Van Begen, St. John of the Cross and so many more lesser known mystics from Europe. All major Hindu texts and many, many of their saints, Surdas, Tukaram, Jhaneshwar, Abhinavagupta, and all the major Kashmir Shaivism authors and poets. Guru Nanak, Wang Liping, Mirabai, Shankaracharya. My library is filled with Theistic approaches, Advaita, Dvaita, Mystic Christianity, Mystic Islam, Coptic Christian, Zorastrianism, Sikh, Taoist, some native American (who by the way were also very secret about their higher up teachings and not to do with politics, but with readiness of a seeker), as well as so many different ways of interpreting the cosmos and I've read all my books. I spent many years just reading, chanting, meditating, yogaing, selfless service, just delving into the meaning of these texts. Read the Bal Shem Tov, Rabia, Kabir, modern Sufi mystics Hafiz, Rumi and Kabbalah texts and commentaries. I know the teachings of the "Golden Dawn" by Aliester Crowley and am initiated into his so called "cult". It's an interesting club, it was mostly for fun as I was more seriously interested in Siddha Yoga at the time. Anyway.. I could name hundreds and hundreds of texts from all the different world religions and the different levels of experiences I had through my studies, transcendent experiences, Nirguna Brahman, and form samadhi's with Saguna Brahman, the different Samadhi's, Jhana states, whatever. No teaching out there compare to Dependent Origination/Emptiness which has a specific meaning and understanding that transcends a universal Alpha that is also the Omega. It transcends this God idea, this identity of all things that all other religions grasp to blissfully, this formless reality beyond all phenomena that is the true dimension of all things that beings call the true reality. This the Buddha say's is a Samsaric approach and is not the meaning of Dzogchen's Rigpa either. Buddhism is a much subtler approach. Nagarjuna even said that other spiritual traditions lead to higher rebirth but not complete liberation like the path of the Buddha Dharma. So many Buddhist Masters were Brahmin Hindu Pandits first before converting due to having a subtler realization through seeing the Buddhas Teaching objectively. The difference is so subtle, and easy to miss through semantics. But, the intuitive understanding of dependent co-arising transcends the substantialist one'ess of monism. Spend more time questioning your own beliefs and perceptions as well as your proverbial karmic mirror that is the universe you see and experience. As well... what happens to you when someone questions yours? It's fine, I know were all good people here... just you know, gaining clarity and seeing where we are not clear, ya dig?

Oh, you know of Muktananda. Yes, he was my Mother's Guru and mine as a kid, then Gurumayi gave me Shaktipat. I've read every single book by Muktananda, even those really old ones. I'm selling many of them on Ebay right now in fact. Under a1annah. Many of them have already been bought.

Oh, you know of Muktananda. Yes, he was my Mother's Guru and mine as a kid, then Gurumayi gave me Shaktipat. I've read every single book by Muktananda, even those really old ones. I'm selling many of them on Ebay right now in fact. Under a1annah. Many of them have already been bought.

Should I be offended by the blind fool in the corner who thinks he see's mice? I know that I've been informed by more informed sources than you. From directly Tibetan non-translated into English sources. You go ahead and blow your stream though... It doesn't uproot anything... it merely see's things just as they are and leaves them be as they are on all dimensions. If you think it means being crazy from the point of view of everyone else... You do need medication. What's ordinary POV? Yes sure... I've had plenty of these wondrous experiences all the time... blah, blah, blah. You still have to empty the basis. Which I'm sure you know nothing about. You probably mostly only have access to Semsde anyway. It's aim is Jalus, or another type of Jalus that elongated the physical appearance as well. Uh hu... So your perspective is so much better than beings trained for eons and remember it? Your so full of yourself dude. Seriously. You have no humility or reverence. It takes genuine reverence to be genuinely and fully realized "crazy wisdom" irreverent freedom from appearance. What you think is a whole lot of nuts in a bag. Go to a genuine Dzogchen master and ask if you are actually ready to teach Dzogchen. Someone who has done extensive dark retreats, has been with real Masters who attained the literal, "body of light" or "Jalus" like Chogyal Namkhai Norbu Rinpoche. Oh... that's right, you just think he's a nice guy. Even though his Master who attained the Jalus himself, taught him Tregchod then Thogal after he felt he had mastered Tregchod, thought he was quite ready for the Thogal contemplation. There is also the collapse of appearances into clear light. You've probably taken too much acid in your life. Though, I do know multi-dimensional appearance first hand without the slightest need for chemical imbalancing.

Samantabhadra is not Paratman. first of all, because Samantabhadra is merely an enlightened Buddha who had the merit to not be born into this cosmic kalpa with knowledge afflictions. There is no Paratman in Buddhism or Dzogchen. Your not even understanding the teachings of the system you are trying to practice. You speak of God some universal static, essence that exists from it's own side? Oh boy... Second of all, I have received guidence on the subtler aspects through dream yoga experience. I have experienced kundalini (one of my kundalini referenced experiences) as my Rinpoche, Chogyal Namkhai Norbu Rinpoche riding a Wind horse up my spine that was like a long cave, slapping with a stick my different chakra points then baking me like bread in an oven in my crown chakra and his eyes were blazing with bliss and I was in a state of bliss, but felt tight in an oven on the crown. The dream was deeply lucid and powerful. The Wing Horse is a Tibetan symbol for Kundalini. I've received many of these types of guidance's on subtler dimensions than the physical from different Rinpoche's, including the Dalai Lama and as well the current Karmapa who I feel very connected to, though haven't seen in this lifetime. You've got many assumptions that are merely based upon your karmic baggage being reflected right back at you.

Yes, I agree about the central channel and being ready for such contemplations and practices. Which is why certain information at times is held back. But, the heart of the Master is always open, even if the mind of the relative opens and closes according to environment. Fear is subtle and goes all the way into formless realm experience. It through the 5 senses is blamed outward, but held inwardly. Fear is a final veil, so very close to the Truth of every matter.

It's a very limited subjective experience. To roll every Rinpoche up into that bun would be not very Buddhist.

Thogal is specifically a contemplation that one is granted after mastering Tregchod and being constantly relaxed in that state. Then you get Thogal in order to completely realize the Jalus or body of light. What your talking about is just what is known as "crazy wisdom". I think though sometimes your just crazy. If you don't have the karma to spend that money on such a book, you should just take it as your not ready for the information. To complain about Tibetan Buddhist prices is soooo silly to me. Considering how inexpensive the retreats are with these Tantric Masters to receive specific tantric teachings as compared to Shaiva Tantra and Taoist retreats with Masters. They even work on a sliding scale making sure not to turn anyone away. To pay a little for a big book such as Thogal, which is a very deep and subtle transmission that leads to complete and total Buddhahood in this life and not only that but the compassionate Jalus realization, is just amazing!! You complain about dogma but look at all your own mental dogmas. Proverbial mirror anyone? HAHA!! Where on earth did you get the idea that there was an end of things? There is the collapse of reification of anything... and that's it. One can incarnate anywhere indefinitely with the right training and merit accumulations while still being free from the proliferation of any of these ideas. It seems that you jump and prattle at the slightest provocation as well as assume a lot about other people. Looks like your not even a Master of Tregchod yet to even be looking for Thogal. Spiritual Materialism might be a good book for you. Your asked to get a transmission because there are certain practices one must get the right "transmission" in your "car" for in order to get into that "gear". Otherwise it's just a whole bunch of information that acts more like a distraction than an aid. You have to step on the first rung of the ladder before you get to the top rung. If you want to burn the ladder down, you still have to get the order of materials right to start the fire. All this New Age, "Give it all to me NOW"... Rofl.. how bout that. I'm partially from Santa Fe and went to Santa Fe High. As far as the other stuff goes... wow... you've been reading to many conspiracy theories. There is some of that of course. But, even Tantric Shaivism is the same way about their teachings, it does have to do with readiness. There is a process to undertake and progress to be made. We are dealing with the relative universe here. You are full of mental dogmas my dear. Practice some more tregchod if you even have transmission of rigpa yet.

I've just heard of it and know someone who is deep into that stuff. He's experienced positive results all around.

Don't try to handle the experience of calm abiding, of open emptiness. Let yourself dissolve and be handled by the experience. Soften, let go...

He must have been a Tibetan Monk in his past life. They have a tradition of bowing really low, calling themself merely a bug after an incredibly enlightening talk on the nature of mind. They say how feeble and weak their bodies are, even after putting their hand through solid rock to reveal a hidden "Terma" (treasure text hidden by Padmasambhava over a thousand years ago). They say how foolish their pride is after making it rain to help a crop grower meet his annual need. They like to praise highly their teacher and call themselves low, knowing nothing, did nothing, failure of a yogi... meanwhile, they live their lives in incredible bliss without any petty desire, create many charities, facilitate many, many transmissions and head an entire lineage of thousands of living monks in monasteries. There is always more to do in the relative, one's job is never done, even if one can move a mountain, there are endless mountains to move. No matter how vast one's knowledge is, it is merely a speck in the infinite cosmos. No matter how complete one's knowledge is of how the cosmos works, relatively, one's glass is always empty.

I enjoyed your explanation Josh. But, thanks for the Tibetan style humility.

That is a good start. It's said that as practice really bares fruit on the path of the yogi, that all sensations are experienced as they seem to be, but as well they are experienced as they are, luminous forms of emptiness, and are liberated in blissful awareness as each sensation arises. So, for a highly realized yogi, all forms of experience are experienced blissfully in a non-dual dimension, while still seeing and understanding, acting and partaking dualistically.

LOL! That's funny... We'll it's my experience. Call me a non-dual fundamentalist.

You need a really great, high up teacher to get past what you think you know. Not if they have reached the stage of no more knowing. That doesn't mean they don't evolve their state of no more knowing with the constantly moving relative. But, they are beyond having to know anymore of how the cosmos works and they are liberated as they stand and breath, move and be.

That's one method. There are many methods for different feelings, different desires. For anger, a wrathful deity is used. But only after one has used this wrathful deity and experienced it's emptiness and Buddhahoodness through practice. One lets the anger become as vast as the cosmos and one takes on the form of the wrathful deity, it's subtle because one has already used this wrathful deity as a Buddha form that wards off ignorance. The expansion of the anger dismantles the location of it and the single object focus of it, it naturally falls into the experience of emptiness. One doesn't repress it, one takes it to it's furthest edges and it falls into bliss. The sheer intensity and expansion of it changes it's chakra locations. It hard to explain when one is not really qualified to explain such things. But yes, there are all these methods taught in Vajrayana that are not at all suppressive. Another method other than the Dakini merging method is to also use a wrathful female deity to have sex with, or a carcass image, a female falling apart turning to bones. These are methods used by monks though. I don't have to do that... haha! I used to though when I was a wana-be monk. It worked. The first month I had only two wet dreams, the second, only 1. After that, I was mostly walking in bliss and didn't even care about sex as my sexual energy was transmuted into an upward momentum. Even if during chanting I had an erection, I felt the purity of the energy and the energy made my spine erect and strong. Like those Shiva images with a strong boner that pointed right towards the navel. I could feel the energy going up my spine and my crown opening and all sorts of interesting things would happen. There was no sense of need for a physical female as my male and female were merging within my being and having elongated full body, all chakra orgasming. Anyway... yes, we Vajrayana people aren't into suppression, more into understanding and transmutation, or spontaneous liberating of through Rigpa.

In Vajrayana we transform negative desire into positive desire, through application of various methods. We transform the energy itself into inward fulfillment as craving arises out of ignorance of one's true nature. When one's true nature is known directly there is always bliss and freedom as well as a sense of completion from deep within, thus no craving arises. But there is still positive desire to serve the cosmos of still suffering beings, even though we see that they too do not inherently exist thus we are not attached, but practical. In Dzogchen we just see that everything is liberated upon arising and don't transform anything, because everything is inherently empty and merely just a display of color vibrations that are radiance's of clear, non-dual awareness. This view can be dangerous though and lead to intellectual excuses and emotional excuses allowing us to just do whatever we want thinking we are great. One must be anchored in Rigpa to do Dzogchen correctly and wisely. Which is why it was guarded with great secrecy and only taught to highly realized beings for so long.

I don't understand the part about not being conscious about why it is so. Does that mean to just let it be without question? The Buddha says it's just a beginning-less cyclical flow without a primal cause. Maybe that's saying the same thing?

I remember having that metaphoric thought about my first spiritual readings as a kid. I felt... wow, I already know this, I'm just being reminded of it in a nice word format.

That is true Scotty. If that meditation is deep and profound, that enlightened lineage will fall on his or her head out of the sky. Word to your momma!

Yes, it's complex and quite gray as people are so individual. One can see and feel what is beneficial for oneself though to a certain degree depending upon depth of awareness, which is generally dependent upon how much one longs to even be aware of oneself. Ah the complexities and how much it takes to describe a single atom of it all. Yes, but what we were born into is dependent upon how we've been in our past lives. There are no accidents. As chaotic as all this seems, there is a deeply complex order to it all, though quite a chaotic order. I do agree. Indeed. Even the Buddha said to not take what He said because it was said by him... or something to that effect. He said about all sorts of habit patterns within belief systems and rumors to look deeply at their value within oneself before accepting anything as true or worth practicing. The best students of any teacher are ones that are already learning from everything and take up life itself as a grand teacher. A really good teacher just grants one some of the tools so that they can really open up to what lessons life itself has to offer one. The best teacher is just that inner proverbial mirror manifest in a physical form so that our seemingly dualistic vision can look more deeply upon itself. It's really just the complexities of personal karmas manifesting it's outer sign post for it's inner way out. Oh good. Neither accept nor reject, just see openly. If you have not yet experienced that depth of love, then you would not know what I mean. If you read the autobiographies of great beings, they talk about this type of love, of course this too is transcended. It is merely a gleeful and deep recognition that is much deeper than our normal every day mundane type of love. No, you don't see me. To have attachment to the many things will just bewilder one into more samsaric cycling. But to have attachment to a great and liberated master leads to the end of attachment. As that teacher lets you know when your being too silly about your attachment to him or her. There is process and progress. A teacher is very flexible and knows what the individual needs generally way more than the individual his or herself, if the teacher is a very highly realized teacher that is. I'm not talking about any teacher here. Attachment to a highly realized master leads to recognizing what are the inner causes of suffering and frustration. Of course attachment to oneself and one's interpretations leads to more pushing around of checkers.

It's important to connect with enlightened lineage because you are connecting with a matrix of enlightened beings and their energy and intentions both physically and beyond the crave, sort of speak. If you are really that unconditioned, you'd be able to see and feel them on a supernatural level. Instead of staying dense with doubt. At least use doubt to doubt your doubt. We are all influenced by things and people in ways that our mind works so fast on, that generally we are not fully conscious of, or not at all conscious of. It's better to be influenced by a matrix of liberated mind streams than our own doubts.