Vajrahridaya
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This is true, which is why one should be clear about who the teacher is, and who was the teachers teacher. Etc. I find that one can have objective thoughts if one is freed from thoughts and can cognize non-conceptually. Which takes deep realization. Of course all that you say after this can be true from a certain perspective. But generally speaking, we fool ourselves. It's good to have a really wise and deeply objective teacher. Even if that teacher is not fully a Buddha, at least we can learn something from him or her while being objective. Things become clear on a very deep and subtle level how far that teacher can help us as we progress internally even as we learn externally. One has experiences that are uncanny and far from pedantic. Merit is relative, as is experience. To completely deny their reality is foolish though. We must only measure within ourself, but we can learn and be humbled by what others have learned and who has walked before us. Otherwise we are fooling ourselves again pridefully. If you don't believe in merit, how come people are wiser than others, some are faster runners, there are some that are born retarded without access to certain aspects of human potential. Some retarded people may seem happier, but it's still conditional and not the type of bliss of a Buddha. These judgments are relative and more like discernment's. This also can be part of wisdom. We should learn from a great teacher, not just an ok teacher. We should learn from a great teacher who his or herself had great teachers. The Buddha had really great teachers himself before he realized Buddhahood. Having a great teacher helps one to get over himself. You can use logic and reason to beat yourself into whatever corner you want. You can use it to see the merit of having a teacher or to deny it's merit. It's still just you conditioning yourself based upon the limits of one's experience. There is merit to learning from someone who has de-conditioned himself to a subtler degree. I do feel that enlightened lineage is very important in ways that most cannot see. What's prideful is to think that we are an island and that we learn anything from ourself anyway. If you understand dependent origination, you will see that your individuality does not inherently exist on any level, gross or subtle. Even your mind stream is just a collection of endless taking in of information and weighing it on so many levels based upon previous experience, which is conditioned by previous experience and interpretation based upon previous interpretation, add infinitum. It's good they say at first to at least "teacher hop". Be open intuitively to whatever degree one is able to be and just learn. We all really learn from ourself anyway, as we are our greatest ability to interpret anyway. But, as I said above......... add infinitum. Who are you to think that you can learn about yourself from yourself when yourself is merely a collection of what you have received from endless selves?
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In Vajrayana we have many guru's. Those guru's who we experience the nature of reality through are called root guru's and are considered more important, because we have lots of good karma through past lives with these teachers. Which is why even just by seeing that teacher our eyes well up with tears of joy and we experience great longing for the truth of things around that teacher, we feel naturally pulled to discipline and we easily experience the different states of realization around such a teacher. That is a root guru, and one does not necessarily have only one root guru. But only one is needed according to Vajrayana.
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According to Mahayana, he was taught in a higher loka even before he incarnated here. But, he as a wandering ascetic learned the highest states of absorption through the jhanas into the jhana of beyond perception and non-perception from two Indian Gurus named Alara Kalama and then Uddaka. Through these teachers he was able to at will enter into the Samadhi's of infinite consciousness, infinite space, infinite nothingness and beyond perception and non-perception. If even he was humble enough to learn from Master teachers into these highest states of meditative absorption, then what say you? Of course, through moving on and sitting under the Bodhi Tree by himself, contemplating these different states and life itself, he came to realize a deeper truth which he called "An ancient path". He realized Dependent Origination and the living, walking meditation style of Vipassana which must go hand in hand with Samatha and the Jhanas. The Buddha is considered a Wheel Turning Buddha, who starts the wheel of the Sanatana Dharma turning. He had a specific function and he learned this function before he even incarnated here. Of course, he incarnated willfully and he set up his display of being ignorant in order to function in the world, then to go out searching, to find teachers, then to learn enough to realize on his own. As everyone must realize on his own, but we do need teachers to bring us to the water that only we can drink. We are also generally speaking not as fortunate as the Buddha was. He had enough merit to have a King as a father who showered him with all the pleasures a son could have, and even kept him from seeing, old age, death, dying and disease. So that when he finally did leave the court at 35, he was shocked to even see that old age, death, and disease even existed and was so shocked that he had to find out the way out of this cycle of birth and death. Be honest with yourself, do you have this kind of merit? Even one with that level of merit went to find Masters of meditation.
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Samsara from Samsaric view point without correction from a master teacher leads merely to more samsaric outlook in all it's subtle ways through the 31 planes of existence from formless bliss states to high god states to whatever... on and on. There are rare beings who having been taught dependent origination in past lives and having reached high states of awareness can have some spontaneous revelations at early ages on their own. But, even these beings are humble enough to look for a teacher. It's just prideful to say... "I don't need a teacher, I can do this on my own, humph". That generally doesn't show much ability to really transform on a deep level.
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Puts on his asshole blockers.
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More gas from an evil anus?
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Yes, a teacher is required. Because we are so conditioned by subjective outlook and endless cycling through this that we can't even look in the mirror objectively. Each one teaches one how to be self reliant who then teaches others. But, a teacher is most definitely required and extremely necessary. Even if we on our own attain very high states of realization, we can also be deluded by these very high states. Yes, I'm lucky that I'm correct.
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That's nice... Buddhism doesn't think Samsara is a very good guide, unless one has a good teacher to show how Samsara is really Nirvana in disguise.
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It's mostly about personal power and building a powerful magical ego that can utilize seemingly chaotic energies both within and without in order to get what one desires. It's neither bad nor good, here nor there, but it's not going liberate one from unconscious birth and death all on it's own.
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For you, as a Buddha, it ends, but one still acts through countless Nirmanakayas throughout endless time to help endless Samsarins. That was what I was getting at. Neither Samsara nor Nirvana have any inherent reality. They are both Dependently Originated and empty of inherent existence. Yet, both still flow. As a Buddha remains through an endless accumulation of merits to help endless Samsarins, they are aware that Samsara still relatively exists, but they experience it all as inherently liberated from any clinging self entity.
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Who? I think he was a good guy. He certainly was animated and hopped up on what he was saying though. I nice sense of loving pride emanated from him. Not enlightenment though. He was a pretty smart dude, but he did have personal life problems. Not that I don't, but I'm also not selling any books and giving live talks in front of hundreds to thousands of people, nor am I debating with highly realized lineage holders. Maybe someday though?
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Why e-sangha is starting to get on my nerves
Vajrahridaya replied to innerspace_cadet's topic in General Discussion
I've never come across any really fully enlightened teacher who just went his own ego's way. I don't feel that many of these new agers including Krishnamurti and Eckhart are examples of highly realized. Just, yes... some direct experiencing on their part. Eckhart has a nice sense of peace about him that's palpable. I feel Ramana Maharishi and Nisgaradatta as well as some others could have gone further too. You are self entitled though... so be it. Yes, I sometimes practiced at Kundroling. You will need transmission from Chogyal Namkhai Norbu Rinpoche or permission from a senior teacher in order to practice in that space though. ChNNR does give free transmissions during special periods throughout the year on live webcast. Of course in person is easier to really make a connection to the transmission especially for a first timer. This is how Vajrayana is done as it is secret mantra vehicle. I have just today moved to Florida though to live. Yes, I am limited to the "Right View" according to Buddhas. I have in this life subscribed to the idea that all paths lead to the one supreme truth, and passionately followed that path, with much deep experience to support this subjective outlook. But, I realized that this was a samsaric view which leads merely to falling into an unconscious oneness formless bliss state at the end of the cosmic cycle, to become a latent potentiality of ignorance for the next cosmic cycle. Your so called non-dogma, all paths are equal is a dogma that does not recognize dependent origination and the deep complexity that is the cosmos. Not all roads lead to Rome. Ciao I've found that sometimes in ways that completely contradict our concepts. Sometimes by just ignoring you, or being wrathful because your coming at them with a loaded gun as an ego, or sometimes they just hit you with a stick and say get out of here. Or sometimes they pat your head and say... "can you make me some tea". Then they tell you a story that makes you cry like the universe is caving into a vast ocean of love, like a radiant sun dropping over a hot and wet horizon. Deep blue is a very serene color, isn't it? One can just meditate and loose onself through that color. It's not firey, it's not opaque, it's not blinding... it's very... aaaaaaaahhhhhhhhhh. -
Buddhism and Hinduism speak of other worlds and galaxies as well as other universes that we have birthed into, even other species that are not on earth. Because your too busy identifying with this life. Your memories of past lives are trapped in your unconscious. Sometimes very young kids have dreams of their past lives, then they forget as this life really starts to take over. Well. something like the earth comes out each time the universe expresses due to causes and conditions latent from the previous universe. Samsara ends only in as much as the state of a Samsaric mind realizes the nature of dependent origination and thus the Samsaric realms become the experiential platform for the Nirvanic state of mind which is merely the experiential perception of dependent origination. Samsara though... never ends. Only one's experience of it as Samsara ends as Buddhahood. It is good to keep a beginners mind.
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Buddhism doesn't strive to help you be anything other than what you truly are. As well as help you realize your highest potential as a human being. All this... "oh I'm just natural and go with the flow." Nature follows the impulse of fear of death. That's the impulse behind evolution and war. Go ahead the follow the natural flow of Samsara and see where it leads you? There are two natures, the nature that follows material identity and the nature of following the true nature of all things beyond the material, but of which the material is an expression of. The nature of consciousness itself is what Buddhism helps one to realize. It takes wisdom and method to realize the nature of things. Not just a whole bunch of neat sounding words. Krishnamurti was a nice person, but he does a diservice because he helps people away from traditions of enlightened masters which truly help people to realize human potential. Of course if we were all enlightened, we wouldn't need any tradition. But that's just wishful thinking and not practical isn't it? That's the problem with Krishnamurit, he's totally unpractical. Though, he has some insight, I give him that and he's right from only a certain perspective. But it's not wholistic and has no real methods other than a set of logics one can run around in the head in hopes to realize a state of pure perception. But, I haven't seen that happen with any of his pushers.
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Why e-sangha is starting to get on my nerves
Vajrahridaya replied to innerspace_cadet's topic in General Discussion
I am well aware of the history of the term Hinduism. I was meaning his meditation teachers of the forest traditions that followed the yogas and intense meditation traditions that were known of then. My argument is based upon both textual and experiential. They are far from naive as I am well studied and experienced in the Advaita and Non-Dual Shaivite traditions. I don't feel that I have to list my cridentials though. Buddhism is in fact more clear about the goal (goaless goal, whatever you want to call it), it's more clear about the methods, it's more clear about how one is when enlightened and it's more clear about how the cosmos cycles than any branch of Hinduism, as the term applies under our current view point. Buddhist cosmology is clearly enlightened and doesn't fall under the trap of eternalism or nihilism like Hinduism does. Buddhism never makes the naive excuse... "It's Gods Will". Advaita Vedanta and Shaivism do. Of course they break it down, but eventually it just comes down to... "It's all just Gods Will". Which is naive according to Buddhism. Yes, anyone who doesn't believe in the after life or rebirth beyond this body, or consciousness beyond the body has little insight both logically and experientially. Also one who is prideful enough to think they understand something without studying under the guidence of a realized master of the tradition is fooling themself and doesn't have the merit. So, they should work on the merit and study under a great teacher. -
Why e-sangha is starting to get on my nerves
Vajrahridaya replied to innerspace_cadet's topic in General Discussion
Ah the prideful way's of the western ego permiates the world through TV and movies. Of course your follow your own limited perceptions without fail. -
Why e-sangha is starting to get on my nerves
Vajrahridaya replied to innerspace_cadet's topic in General Discussion
My other ego? It's never dangerous if your teacher is a great teacher with very high realization. It's more dangerous to continually bow to ones own pride and attachment to self and one's self created ideation. Masters of the different states of meditation, masters of how to pass the teachings, masters of their own mind and body. Vajrayana has masters that even to this day attain the body of light or "Jalus"... look it up. Vajrayana is a very special type of lineage. You have to understand the tradition deeply and experientially. Otherwise your like a leaf blowing in the wind following one's own karmas and passions. The Buddhas purpose was to set up a tradition. So was Padmasambhavas purpose as such in Tibet to bring Vajrayana in full to Tibet. I find that people who don't follow a tradition of enlightened masters think they get somewhere but have very little progress. Of course, there are those who are like that who follow a tradition as well. Very much so... -
Why e-sangha is starting to get on my nerves
Vajrahridaya replied to innerspace_cadet's topic in General Discussion
Your entitled to your opinion. The only real Masters that I know of had Master teachers. The Buddha had master Hindu teachers before he found a deeper realization. How can one have attachment to dependent origination? I do think your projecting dear sir. I'm just clear about what it means and what it doesn't mean. I'm not a new age, follow my own way because my ego is great type of guy. I'm a my ego is strong so I need to humble myself to a really great teacher who has real knowledge and realization type of guy. I'm a Vajrayana practictioner... and that's just what we do. It's such a blessed path to have sooooo many realized Masters too. It must work, eh? -
Why e-sangha is starting to get on my nerves
Vajrahridaya replied to innerspace_cadet's topic in General Discussion
What your not aware of is that the Buddha taught for 40 years in so many ways, each way suited for that particular audience. He started a monastic tradition and a lay tradition. The Buddha DID set out to create a specific type of spiritual tradition, a religion if you will. So yes, Buddhism is taught by the Buddha. -
Why e-sangha is starting to get on my nerves
Vajrahridaya replied to innerspace_cadet's topic in General Discussion
Talking to yourself again SV? Visualisations of plenty of Hindu Tantric deities are also for the sake of metaphor, like the gory Kali image. As well as the image of Kali dancing on top of Shiva, etc. To practice and read the tantras properly one needs a qualified Guru who one can relate experience to and ask about clarification of meaning. In Chod we practice cutting off our own limbs and offering them to hungry ghosts and debters. Buddhist deities are also never seen or identified as a supreme source of all existence. There are those that are identified as certain teachings, or as representations of the nature of mind or consciousness, but the Guru is there to help clarify. I changed because I realized directly that Buddhist realization is deeper, and the scripture is more clear. There is nothing in Hinduism that teaches dependent origination. In history there are plenty of Brahmin's and Hindu's including Gotama the Buddha who was raised with the Vedas who realized something deeper through the teachings based on realization of dependent origination, known as Buddhism. Only awareness of dependent origination can be muddled. I have found Dzogchen to be quite clear and there are plenty of current realized masters who show it's fruit to be clean and without worms. So I suppose you consider experiences (spiritual, meditational) beyond the 5 senses as some brain malfunction? What about all those kids who had past life memories and then had them corroberated with facts. Many of them are not dismissable as fluke at all. Anyway... whatever helps you have more joy and peace in life not at the expense of others. Buddhism without rebirth does not work for me. Life doesn't make sense without understanding re-birth... to me. -
Why e-sangha is starting to get on my nerves
Vajrahridaya replied to innerspace_cadet's topic in General Discussion
Yes, some are visualisation metaphors and some are actual occurences. I am not responsable for those that take things litereally for the sake of justifying violent behavior. -
So basically your saying that your consciousness is based upon the body, or the interconnectivity of all things within the physical realm and there is no consciousness beyond physicality. I wish you deeper meditation and experience. Your theory that current Buddhism about re-birth beyond this body and past lives as being some folk religion based idea mixed in with a materialist nihilism view on Buddhism is not accepted by very highly realized Buddhas. But... keep inquiring.
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Why e-sangha is starting to get on my nerves
Vajrahridaya replied to innerspace_cadet's topic in General Discussion
Ralis, I knew that would be pulled out and stomped on and completely misunderstood as I should have been more clear in what I meant. Subtle as in transcending subtle trance states or formless states of all absorbing meditations which Hindu's call Brahman without attributes, etc. These are all subtle states that dependent origination subtely subverts and transcends. Emptiness is not a state of meditation, but rather a state of intuitive recognition of dependent origination. No grasping, no foothold, no "final state" of consciousness. Just recognition of the beginningless and endless flow that has no inherent identity. Of course this recognition is a state of consciousness that is freed from itself and all things, thus attains steady omniscience. But, not based on itself as an essence. I should have never mentioned my personal experiences. I did only because Michaelz asked me to, and he said it would be different here. But, no, it's the same. People use these things against you if it challenges their view point, the'll discontextualize and use these things to mash you out. It's fine, it's human nature. I should have just stuck with scriptural context. Yes, these visualisations were for converting Hindu or Shaivite/Shakta tantrics. Not to be taken as literal use of violence against hindus. But cutting away of attachment to identity as a Hindu, or theism in general. -
The Buddha did preach for 40 years, and he clearly tried to start a spiritual tradition based on what he said was an ancient path. He also said that his specific teaching didn't exist on earth at that time. He was so clear about so many things, the stages of the path, the need for insight meditation using dependent origination. He started a monastic and lay tradition. Anyway...