Vajrahridaya

Saguna brahman is brahman with form... the experience that of all things are brahman, one with one's universal consciousness experience of Sat Chit and Ananda as a oneness. No, the experience of nothingness, on a conscious level is experiencing that there is no universe and never was a universe and one is conscious of this... there is no time here... but there is no seer of time either... it's not even the level of beyond perception or non-perception. No, it's not prajna, it's just your projection of self doubt. I used to meditate consciously for 4 to 6 hours a day and chant 4 to 6 hours a day and offer seva for 6 hours a day either inside or living near an ashram for many years of my life. This bares fruit. Doesn't matter if you accept this fact. Practice seeing the shit as one with infinite consciousness... you'll experience saguna consciousness eventually. Of course they do. They are touches and they are very important and a reflection of your merit! Your merit will only grow if you follow this urge to know how everything works. follow it with passion! But also contemplate what passion is and what is the end of passion. Ok. Not trying to be a cut. I'm also not into reading minds... I will block all that out, consciously. To many files and causes to the effect in peoples infinitudes. Better to be clear and physical about things, so that one knows that no subjective projecting is going on. That is very true...

purrs so happily freed from mean people I am not to be found here

My realization is not from 4 years of practice. I practiced in Advaita Vedanta my whole life and accumulated merits and realizations there before coming to Buddhism. I have just a more clear interpretation of my previous realizations now through Buddhism. Which most of it's accumulation is memory. One can realize in one moment of Rigpa more than what some people practice for lifetimes in other traditions. Which you think of course is just my own mind conjuring. Which is a good way to dismiss something that challenges your understanding. Also... it's not my way is the only way. It's Buddha's way is the only way and how he's interpreted is not agreed upon by all traditions. But, I do follow the Rime way in Tibetan Buddhism and can understand the need for the Shentog substantialist view, but can understand how it mis-leads as well. I am indeed nobody. But, I do so like to ramble. In no ambiguous terms. The Mahasiddhas have stated how Buddha's way is the only way. I agree with the Dalai Lama as well who also say's that only the matrix of Realized Buddhas who realized through the Buddhayana can truly give proper teachings to the way out of Samsaric experience. So Mr. Silliconvalley Zen/Taoist dude... I do think that your view is very skewered if even Nagarjuna and Sakya Pandita, as well as so many others say that Buddhayana is the only true and complete path to liberation. I don't think I'm right... I understand how I'm correct.

ROFL!! Yeah, right... Go look in the mirror heavy as gold ego. My next door neighbor sells stand up tickets in Times Square... I bet I can get you some for free! What's interesting about my understanding, as low as it may be, as it is backed up by real Mahasiddhas from real lineage. Your's are just new agey mumbo gumbo jumbo. I like soup... but not those made of spiritual traditions that with clarity, one can see that they do not all speak the same truth. Though they all speak of meditation, prayer and morals. I love you GIH! I think you mean well. I give you a huuuuge hug!! Big ups bro!!

Ah... more Ad-homs. I never said I was a Buddha and admit that I am not. But, I have experienced what is cosmic consciousness as well as consciousness without fetter in meditation and saguna brahman and at one time for a timeless state of deep, deep meditation I experienced the state beyond perception and non-perception totally lucid, no universe, no there having been a universe and that everything is really this. But, that's not what emptiness means. I did associate this experience with Brahman that underlies everything, but later I realized that it was a state of meditation originating dependent upon causes and conditions of merit from previous lives and spontaneously occurred through osmosis in front of a highly realized Shaivite Master. But... There is no full realization through Advaita Vedanta. I have experienced directly Sat, Chit, Ananda and once subscribed to the interpretation of experience through Vedanta and thought all paths lead to Rome. Then I realized the 6 realms, the 31 abodes "directly" in a state of utter transcendent bliss consciousness that had no clinging, and saw through my previous misunderstanding through a realization of Dharmakaya. Or what is called Rigpa in Dzogchen. I walked around for hours in a state of utter emptiness and total lightness of being and sensitivity with information channeling on infinite levels where each moment could write volumes. I don't have complete stability in Rigpa though. I have plenty of Marigpa and states of total non-enlightenment. But in one glimpse transmitted through ChNNR's lineage. I saw through my previous misunderstanding which was housed in Advaita Vedanta/Theism/Monism.

Oh not at all! I love what Xabir keeps pulling out of the woodworks... I love his presentations! Because meditative experience can be so deceptive, one needs this type of stuff. Because Advaita is all about reifying the meditative experience it misses out on what vipassana actually means and why exactly the Buddha left the Hindu master who had mastered the state of beyond perception and non-perception which is the highest state of meditation and the Buddha said, that's still not liberation. But Advaita's entire philosophy revolves around that level of meditation and thinking everything is superimposed over it as if that was the end all be all cosmic consciousness. There is no cosmic consciousness in Buddhism. So... this pat each other on the back stuff is wonderful, because I love seeing how Michael understands the differences in the different religions. Not all great teachers were actually fully enlightened. Not all religions lead to the same place. The cosmos is just more complicated than that.

Yup... very good. There is only the flow, either experienced as liberated or bound. Either Rigpa or Marigpa. There is no super-awareness to take refuge in, there is only truly realizing dependent origination. Even saying emptiness and focusing on emptiness people tend to subtly reify as we have seen over and over from people in this thread who talk about what things dissolve into, etc. There is no dissolving in a literal sense, because that's like some sort of catch all. Rather recognition of dependent origination is also dependent origination. Of course, yes, it stops being conceptual, so the conceptual dissolves into the experiential but that includes the experience and arising of concepts. Even concepts as big cosmic consciousness non-dual experience concepts that don't seem like concepts but are also just those... big golden cosmic concepts. Non-phenomenal phenomena's which people have a tendency to think emptiness means. But nope. Xabir, good stuff man.

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Buddhism is the only path that is truly transcendent of externalism and nihilism. But yes, if you think Nagarjuna was an idiot then we can pretty much dismiss anything you say concerning Buddhism. No matter how you chop it, Vedanta is eternalist, Theism is eternalist and Monism is eternalist. There is an attachment to an essence and identification of that is very, very subtle, which is Samsara, very, very subtle, not just gross and blatant. It's not just in the words used to explain things and non-things. It's the way the words intend an experience of a subtle essence, even if non-dual.

Shouldn't one be objective about the history of what one's learning, how many it has liberated and how it has effected other people? Being in a formless non-discriminative awareness in a spaced out trance that does not have opinions or thoughts is not enlightenment. That's just a formless bliss realm of Samsara. One should cultivate objective open awareness of things and how they work, their links and outcomes, etc. As well as be aware of awareness with vipassana. Being both intuitive, instinctive and seeing through it are all good.

Very good -O-. I also wanted to mention how surrendering can be good when cultivation of right view is there. But surrender to another person's merit lets that person take control of you and you become an agent of that person or deities merit instead of cultivating one's own. The Buddha was very clear that high levels of Samsara feel really blissful but do not have insight into dependent origination so it's unwise to cultivate a sense of ultimacy around them.

Sounds like old Swami Muktananda intensives and what I've seen in Siddha Yoga intensives which I grew up in and going to and having such "experiences" but found Buddhism to be more objective about such experiences and later found a Buddhist Master with a great reputation and lineage support. It's fine to have such experiences, but the proper understanding and contextualizing of these experiences must be cultivated as well. Muktananda did genuinely cultivate a proper Shaivite perspective in his students about the experiences if one actually read all his books, but that doesn't make it the same as a Buddhist context. So this guy is saying he's Taoist, Buddhist, Native American trained teacher? Hmmmmm.... New Age gumbo soup anyone? Eh... everyone learns at their own pace and has to go through their karma but being as objective as possible really is a good thing. Having siddhis' is not the same as having genuine wisdom to share. Experiences without insight (vipassana) can be damaging.

The Muni is amazing!!!! Truly the teacher that influenced the entire world and every single spiritual system so much, it's really interesting to think about and realize. It all comes back to Shakyamuni, the king of teachers in this world system!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Also, yes... if one reads the quote from the Dalai Lama very deeply with an open mind. He really say's it all right there. I contemplated that quote many years ago and it tore down my attachment to the New Ager, Vedantic view point. It was merely a beginning of seeing so, so much of what Buddhism actually teaches that is unique in a way that is super complete that only it is and no other path on the planet is with all 4 turnings of the wheel. He doesn't mention the fourth turning Dzogchen, of which is his main practice even though he is a total Rime scholar and Master. The Dalai Lama deserves way, way, way, more respect than most people give him because he doesn't appear at all to be what he truly is. He's so unassuming. Deeply pure being straight from the pure, pure abodes. I couldn't see this until I saw what Buddhism teaches. Before that, I just had a kind of well your supposed to respect him so I did. But, I couldn't really feel him. Then, on the same two weeks, I met Chogyal Namkhai Norbu Rinpoche and the Dalai Lama almost immediately afterwards in 2005 and just got it on a deep, deep level that would take pages to elaborate through word format. Oh Mara, builder of my house, the God of delusion, how you try to fool me in so many way's, from low to high... realization of D.O. will empty you/I. Many people only think they know what D.O./emptiness means, but do not really. You need transmission and real practice and study under a real master who knows what D.O./emptiness means. Mahayana transcends Hinayana and Vejrayana transcends Mahayana, but Dzogchen transcends but embraces fully and completely in a way that I've never seen before Dzogchen transmission. Edit: I forget that Dzogchen is both considered part of Vajrayana and an entire new turning at the same time. One must understand the 3 turnings first which Chogyal Namkhai Norbu tries to give a crash course in this through many of his books like Crystal and the Way of Light. Otherwise Dzogchen on first read of available to the West texts will seem somewhat Theistic or even Vedantic which seems to happen to a lot of Western students who just pick up a Dzogchen text or read something online without proper understanding in the intent of the teaching. Generally Semsde teachings are widely available and widely misunderstood. Explanation of Semsde or Semde.

FOE, You must not be reading my posts very well, from the very beginning I've been showing the transience of all levels of experience and the non-ultimacy of things and non-things. No, this is wrong. D.O. does not dissolve, one just recognizes it's emptiness, but dependent origination still persists, just experienced as Nirvana. There is no ultimate dissolving in Buddhism, there is just ultimate insight and realization. If you are dissolving D.O. into a state of altered consciousness, you are objectifying emptiness as a non-dual essence, thus mis-understanding what emptiness means in Buddhism.

Vimalakirti Sutra Who is Vimalakirti?

YES!! Your right... because it has EVERYTHING to do with how to understand D.O. and non-abiding-essence. (still don't think many people here know what that means)

Ah! The crutch of the matter. The method is the same, the view is different. Thus the first of the 8 fold noble path... "Right View".... the 1st!! That has real importance! Get your view correct even intellectually before you even start delving in.

It is objective. Because I've experienced arising out of the potential of cosmic manifestation due to memory as a first born. I know directly how deluded the Gods are in their powerful bliss. Advaita no matter how you chop it, believes in an eternal essence that all things arise from and subside back into in a substantialist way at the end of a cosmic cycle. When Buddhas say, things arise and subside in emptiness, they are still not qualifying emptiness and are still seeing endless and beginningless D.O. The craving is merely based upon not seeing emptiness directly which is deeply non-conceptual. Which is different from seeing Brahman directly because I've experienced both. Brahman is still a subtle latching on and proliferation, an identifying which will only lead to a long lived God realm. I know this very deeply, experientially and objectively. Both through reading scripture and what the texts by Buddhas say and what Advaita Siddhas say as well as through logic, intellectual understanding of D.O. and through direct meditative experience both in sitting meditation and lucid dream states through the practice of lucid dreaming while inquiring into the secret meaning's of D.O. and how this actually applies to cosmic workings. Buddhism transcends Advaita. It's a deeper comprehension of cosmos, enlightenment and what it means to transform the experience of Samsara into Nirvana. Or in Dzogchen, to spontaneously cognize the inherently empty and liberated nature of all arisings and so called non-arisings, which includes conceptual free bliss experiences in formless states of consciousness. Of which I have plenty of direct experiencing. Daily sometimes for elongated periods. Not right now, I'm actually being quite egotistical even talking about these experiences... LOL!

It's just the same except less densified with less or if enlightened, no attachment. It's it's own complicated story really. But, basically... it's just what you are now with less density based upon less attachment to perception and more identity with awareness itself, either enlightened (seeing through identity with D.O.) or not as in most Theistic or substantialist paths that reify awareness as ultimate. Kunjed Gyalpo gives a good explanation of how we fall during the cosmic cycle. p.s. kind of like dream realm stuff but more interpersonal, as in there is more reality to the different and unique beings that make up any given realm of subtler or denser energies.

Well, I do agree to a degree. Though, I do not know exactly how deep he was internally. He was deeper than average, but I think amateur when compared to beings like Wang Liping.

Also, there are Buddhas all around us all the time that are aware of what we are going through and permeate us with their compassionate omniscience due to their vows to accumulate infinite merit during their practice pryer to extinguishing doer-ship. Another point is that arguably many of the earliest Mahayana Sutras were written down at the same time that the Pali Suttas were and that the Buddha actually physically spoke these Sutras to very advanced disciples of the time. Not only that, but in the Pali Suttas, the Buddha left out the 4th Jhana which is leaving to the realm of... Fourth jhana. (See, e.g., AN 4.123.) (27) Peerless devas (akanittha deva) These are the five Pure Abodes (suddhavasa), which are accessible only to non-returners (anagami) and arahants. Beings who become non-returners in other planes are reborn here, where they attain arahantship. Among its inhabitants is Brahma Sahampati, who begs the Buddha to teach Dhamma to the world (SN 6.1). (26) Clear-sighted devas (sudassi deva) (25) Beautiful devas (sudassa deva) (24) Untroubled devas (atappa deva) (23) Devas not Falling Away (aviha deva) ................. Basically saying that this is the abode of what is known as Sambhogakaya, or pure energy realms where beings of high capacity here on Earth can go to and gain direct treachings from the Buddha himself which is where most of the Mahayana is transported from. I for one, have full and total faith in this reality as it's truly experiential! yeah baby!!