Vajrahridaya
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Actually, the links are just reversed in the sense that they cease to function selfishly through ignorance. Existence never stops, even for a Buddha there is no such thing as non-existence in the literal sense. It's just seen through, both concepts of existence and non-existence. Causes and conditions are un-endable, as sentient beings keep producing these based upon ignorance without beginning. It's just that once you've realized the experience of the insight of emptiness totally, your causes and conditions for manifesting reference compassionate emptiness, rather than selfish projections arising due to a sense of lack. So, the twelve links still go, but for you it's self liberated compassion. Ignorance is freed through you in every moment as "they" who are empty, keep producing based upon it. There is only ignorance, it's just for a Buddha it's seen through due to emptiness insight. Thus, Samsara is Nirvana... on and on. As they say, Samsara has no beginning and Nirvana has no end. EDIT: Too many comas or miss placed comas and not enough periods... a bad habit of mine.
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Causes and conditions are empty, thus movement happens, thus time is possible. This is how change dances, due to emptiness, not as a thing, but as the fundamental quality of things, including the cognition of things mutually arising with things, or focus on non-things such as what happens in formless absorptions. But for Buddhism to be understood, one has to understand that non-things are also things, that non-phenomena is also phenomena, that transcendence is also imminence, that beyond phenomena is just another phenomena. Because causes and conditions, including all that I've mentioned above, have no self reference and only reference previous causes and conditions, there is ongoing motion, like an infinite sphere of domino's, both expanding internally infinitely and externally infinitely yet all equally empty. The no boundary of all boundaries makes boundaries possible. I know... I re-read this and it sounds cryptic when I try to put myself in other peoples place. Infinite allows for infinite finites which are also individually infinite in the sense that they continue the story through inter-causation, due to their quality of emptiness. You want that experience you can only get through deep contemplation past these pages. I know you do!!!!
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Oh yes it does! Which is why the Buddha only realized D.O. after seeing directly infinite consciousness (which you determine is the end all be all) otherwise known as infinite light from light's perspective. Not the same as the clear light which Tilopa is talking about, but you think it is. Anyway... The Buddha had the realization of dependent origination after his mastery of the jhana of neither perception nor non-perception, which even that level of understanding seems to allude you my dear brother. You should put away your pride of your absorption into light and truly meet a great master. Go to Garchen Rinpoche... why not? He might surprise you, even though in the tradition it say's to witness a great teacher for many years before accepting him as your Guru. As one has to work through all ones pre-conceptions and subconscious projections and really get to know a Teacher objectively. This can take many years.
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emptiness, to be flexible and have potential for ongoing remixes of the song of life.
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Exactly... this is why I've always said that there is free awareness, not free will. Will is always determined. Even as a Buddha, your actions are determined by signals from sentient beings, just referencing compassion instead of selfishness, as in free versus bound awareness.
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This is why it's different in person, as there's an easier, more fluid form of intuition at work when communicating. When reading, you have to have some type of similar reference point to begin with... sometimes the complicated sounding stuff is really simple if you had the same reference points. To an African, born and raised, the simple stuff in English is going to be gibberish. That's just an extreme example. The Buddhist stuff seemed like gibberish for me at first... then I just educated myself and applied personal experience to the terminology and... now it's all quite simple.
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13. Knowing the relativity of all, The ultimate truth is always seen; Dismissing the idea of beginning, middle and end The flow is seen as Emptiness. 14. So all samsara and nirvana is seen as it is - Empty and insubstantial, Naked and changeless, Eternally quiescent and illumined. -Nagarjuna
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Cool pic by the way.
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Everything conceivable is illusory in Dzogchen, even any conceptualization of Rigpa. The only truth is the middle way experience of Rigpa beyond extremes which means it cannot be conceptualized adequately. Nothing can, which was my point, nothing is graspable. One cannot conceptualize reality perfectly, but one can have a perfect experience of what the concepts are pointing to. Describing an apple is not the same as eating it. The idea that causes and conditions are illusory is also from Nagarjuna, as since nothing is established, nothing has arisen, everything is already unborn. My point above that you quoted is that practically speaking, all individual things have an individual story of infinitude, while connected to all other infinitudes. Do you see? I personally have my own individual line of beginningless causes and conditions as reference for my being in this moment, all empty, but also all interconnected with every other line of individual infinitude of causes and conditions. Every story is unique, yet connected to all other unique stories, thus infinite dimension both within and without. The fact of emptiness allows for the space of freedom in this dance of causes and conditions. The thing about Dzogchen view, is that if you just read into the idea that all causes and conditions are literally an illusion, you would be wrong. It's more like they are like an illusion. Which is why the Dzogchen Master Padmasambhava said: 'My realization is higher than the sky, But my observance of karma is finer than grains of flour." -- Padmasambhava If they were "really" an illusion, then there would be no results to actions, and nothing would connect, and nothing would really matter. So to sit in a view of causes and conditions as being absolutely an illusion, would be an extreme view.
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Actually, in Indo-Tibetan Mahamudra and Dzogchen you will find emptiness meaning, primordial purity as well as the experience of spontaneous presence as we are talking more about the experience of realizing emptiness rather than just the concept.
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Hi hagar, The concept of the unborn is actually straight from the Pali Suttas, it's not a Zen invention. Also... emptiness relates to the perception or realization that things are empty as well. The phenomena of perception, or the cognitive process of phenomena is also empty. Since things and mind are thus never established to begin with to have intrinsic nature, there is nothing to reject from the very beginning... the nature of all things is already unborn. The experience of this illumines the nature of phenomena as equal with the nature of mind, and this is the non-duality of Buddhism. Not a oneness, but just a not inherent twoness. So, since there is neither something, nor nothing established, there is only thusness, neither one, nor two, not even zero, all frame of references fall from an internal standpoint. Which is where the concept of, "there is a mountain, now there is not a mountain, then there is a mountain again." It's really just using this as a revelation of the process of going from conventional viewing, to seeing through things, then just being with it as free from it after having seen through it. There is nothing to accept nor reject, no ultimate truth, no relative truth... just... empty flow, experienced as the fullness of being.
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Yes, because every point, every nuance has infinite causes to it's effect, kind of like infinite infinities. It's so complicated that both concepts of "deterministic" and "spontaneous" do not do reality justice. One has to step out of oneself and see it from a space without subjective influence, even if just as a glimpse, this glimpse can become reference for deeper evaluation and contemplation. It's what mathematicians and scientists try to do with their formulas. Except they don't directly experience the outcome... well, I think the really brilliant ones probably do on some level. I don't know? They are definitely mystics of a certain type. Plenty of ancient yogi's came up with their brilliant mathematical formulas through meditative insight.
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I don't see much of what God would have to do with it? There's no supreme singular creator entity in this understanding. Unless one wants to use the term God as a metaphor for the impersonal creative matrix that is the all?
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Sure, I understand, it's not a selfish willed extravaganza. In that sense it's a spontaneously free from inner conflict arising... sure. Well hopefully that's more coincidence than serendipity? I guess it's up to you to subject the occurrence to your own objective?
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No, it's a dependent arising.
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The subconscious is more open at night.
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Dharmakaya = emptiness Sambhogakaya = the energy of this compassion of realization of dependent origination/emptiness nirmanakaya = the personal expression of this energy.
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Still tinged with pride... so just be open.
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Yes, it's brilliant, but Mahasiddhas go deeper than personal relativity, or neurological relativism while expressing through it. This is cool though, thank you. I like his voice. Dependent Origination leads to the same realization, but emptiness liberates one from this "liberation" within the personalized paradigm he is talking about as well. This is brilliant though, I love his use of English. I do have some of the same concerns as he does about information control. Orgone theory... eh? That universal life force is dependent origination/emptiness, works on all levels impersonally, interpersonally and personally.
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For plenty it's just contemplation which leads to the very same insights. From some internet dictionary; Arbitrary: Based on random choice or personal whim, rather than any reason or system From Wiki; Chaos Theory: Is a field of study in mathematics, with applications in several disciplines including physics, economics, biology, and philosophy. Chaos theory studies the behavior of dynamical systems that are highly sensitive to initial conditions; an effect which is popularly referred to as the butterfly effect. Small differences in initial conditions (such as those due to rounding errors in numerical computation) yield widely diverging outcomes for chaotic systems, rendering long-term prediction impossible in general. This happens even though these systems are deterministic, meaning that their future behavior is fully determined by their initial conditions, with no random elements involved. In other words, the deterministic nature of these systems does not make them predictable. This behavior is known as deterministic chaos, or simply chaos. Chaotic behavior can be observed in many natural systems, such as the weather. Explanation of such behavior may be sought through analysis of a chaotic mathematical model, or through analytical techniques such as recurrence plots and Poincaré maps. Which can be seen directly through deep formless contemplation or meditation as you transcend the localized aspects of selfhood. Then apply emptiness directly to these wounds, thus self liberating ones entire history for selfish being.
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Right... there isn't, and there is. At this point, talking isn't going to cut it, one has to use imagery that's not really just imagination, but it references formless states of jhana. You've got to enter your storehouse consciousness. There are various signs which arise for those that have done this. Which is generally not talked about except through veiled metaphor, because Masters don't want their students conjuring up this stuff from their imagination. It has to be self realized... then of course liberated. It was an abstract metaphor. But no, not arbitrary... every point of reference arises dependently and not independently. Like Chaos theory, the deeper you look at it, a pattern emerges and one realizes it's not really chaotic at all, it's just a deeply complex order that defies current scientific means for complete, delineated explanation. Also, the only way that this can be explained through language is when there is a mutual understanding of what the symbols are pointing to through mutually shared paradigms of experience (or understanding, like in math). Which is why Buddhism has levels of comprehension.. as there are levels of realization, until there aren't. This is why lineages take students through a school of training, first in view, 1st of the 8 fold path... ect. etc. until there is right concentration or number 8 in the path... and then realization of the inner meaning of dependent origination where one is never outside of meditative equipoise, no matter the outer show. Different traditions handle this in different ways though. Ok... sorry.
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I'm not aiming for a mark to begin with... that would mean there is a definite self to cling to as a goal.
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But your understanding is not supported by an in depth study of the teachers of Mahamudra and Sutra that you claim to adhere to. You really just lack study and proper guidance. I'm very honest when I say you haven't seen emptiness directly. It's very clear from this post that you still cling to a subtle obscuration of formless self reification.
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Actually I don't, I'm more interested in the experiencing of direct insight that they point to. But... if you couldn't understand my above explanation. So be it. Like I said... the Alayavijana, when stripped of self clinging tendencies, is transformed into the experience of pure Buddhamind, which is why they are considered synonymous, as they are basically the same thing, just one is it's bound experience and the other it's liberated experience. Do your thing, evolve where you are able. But, as long as you see "simple" and "complex" from an experience of dualistic standpoint, the understanding of emptiness will not be clear in all the dynamic forms of your being.
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Not at all. If that were so, both Nagarjuna and Vasubandhu would not be considered Zen patriarchs. Alayavijana is a Zen teaching, there is no way around it.
