Vajrahridaya

Ok Mr. I am the body... You're too blind to talk to. You keep doing you though ben. Seek and ye shall find!! Whatsoever you look for, you will see.

Can't give you one... I've read too much, it's all mushed together in my head. I am right though. Also... Alwayson is right about the deities coming from India. All the earliest Buddhist Tantras talk about this stuff. You need a more thorough education, and you need to stop reading these horrible scholars with no insight at all whatsoever that you use as examples. Just like Dwai needs to stop reading Advaitin commentaries on Buddhist material, if you or he want to know what Buddhism is about that is. Some systematic study would do you good GIH.

Actually... I think only Easy E and MC Ren was. Ice Cube was from South Central and I think Dr. Dre was from some more upper class suburban area? Funny joke... none the less.

I'm not good at quotations from texts... I don't remember exact places, pages, what exact scripture, etc. All I know is that it's an acceptable practice and has been in India and other areas of the world for centuries before Buddhism ever came to Tibet.

Ok, I understand what you're getting at. In a sense that is correct, but it's more complicated than this as well.

No, praying to worldly gods for worldly things has always been acceptable in Buddhism, but not for liberation. Actually, there are only a few new additions that took place in Tibet, and sure, plenty of epidermic changes, except for the tulku tradition, that's deep and a new addition.

No, a projected body, not your body, a decoy. Have you even received transmission in Chod and practiced it? I have. I don't think you do.

So the people in the World Trade Centers as well as the towers themselves wanted to be crushed? You give personal will too much credit. You seem more like a solipsist than someone who understands dependent origination.

Your example is total bs! It surprises me that you believe it as well? The form and the the deities are different in many cases, but this stuff existed in India long before it came to Tibet. There was no scorn for deities... The Pali Suttas talks about deities and taking refuge in them for the sake of worldly prosperity, but not for liberation unless they are a Buddha. Vajrayana has always had deity yogas with tools of contemplation from the time of India... Your example is totally whack! Whoever did these studies is not that insightful. There is no evidence to say who came up with tantra first really... except that tantric deities in Buddhist temples in ancient India have been excavated and found to be earlier. Seriously, your information is hogwash. Wow, you don't know what your talking about. Some keen ignorance here buddy.

The analogy does work. It's funny though... But yes, there are metaphysical reasons why the secret teachings are indeed secret and protected by deities. The Tulkus and Rinpoches who are highly realized are connected with these protector deities who do actually exist and even these deities won't let the Rinpoches give out information that they don't previous approve to give out. It's not all that simple nor is it a mundane thing. Maybe for some, but not for Chogyal Namkhai Norbu or many other highly realized masters.

Because that would mean everything is pre-determined and that all is really just one beings will. That would be independent origination, not dependent origination. Dependent origination leads to infinite regress, cycles and reversions to cycles to reversions without beginning nor an end. But if all things came from one giant will, the universe just wouldn't work as it does. The Buddha said, if there is a creator god who is truly responsible for the suffering of all beings, then that same god could take it all away at will. Or something like that... he said something to that effect. I bet Xabir could get the exact quote for us?? The Buddha also said that there is not a single uncaused cause in the cosmos. The theory of god is a theory of an uncaused cause.

I don't agree. People don't know what they need. People also bastardize these things, water them down, and actually diminish the meaning and power. It's an energy thing as well as a practical thing. Even Chogyal Namkhai Norbu Rinpoche won't give you Togal unless you're ready for that contemplation. If you want to read the stuff, then just get Heart Drops of Dharmakaya as he just let it all hang out it seems. I have the book but haven't read it yet. You're entitled to your opinion, but I just think ya wrong in this case.

Damn, that's well put. I don't agree with what you think about the "secret mantra" tradition of Vajrayana, but... the above is damn well put! So clear. Which is why I think Buddhism is such a practical approach, especially when it comes to it's psychology.

Something I can support.

As long as you get to the Pali Cannon. It's a total mistake to say, "ignore" the Pali Cannon as it's amazingly deep, subtle, clear, beautiful and should be a pre-requisite to studying Dzogchen, at least in the sense that one should agree to have to read it eventually even if one starts with Dzogchen. Every known Dzogchen master has studied the Pali Cannon. Every known Mahamudra master has studied the Pali cannon. Oh... you did edit your post... duh! Sorry.

Yes, but there are dimensions beyond the 5 senses which the 5 senses cannot ascertain, even through telescopes or microscopes, which are products of the 5 senses. There are other levels of senses that can be developed where one can indeed see without eyes into other dimensions of experience. This is not superstition. Though, you would call it schizophrenia or delusion most likely. Doctors don't really know what causes schizophrenia beyond some theories about the chemicals in the brain.

Me too!

This is true in a sense. I must agree... in a sense. But this is the basic assumption when a tradition is taught, as it's not taught for the omniscient, but for the ignorant.

I could name in succession the hundreds of buddhist texts I've read and poetic pros by historical buddhas from all the buddhist traditions that I've read if that helps you understand that you don't know what I know about Buddhism. Actually I probably couldn't remember them all, but I've read hundreds (in the plural) of Buddhist texts, commentaries, scriptures and poems by Buddhas. I'm not all that ignorant on the subject. I also have inner experience of the concepts presented in Buddhism.

I don't talk much Dzogchen, but sure... there is tons of Dzogchen termas to study which I have yet to. Absolutely!!

The same answer applies to both as Vedanta leads to a long lived god realm or a formless bliss realm. This is easily ascertained if you were to actually read the Puranas, Upanishads and Shastras of Hinduism, including the Maharamayana or Vasisthas Yoga and compare them to what the Buddha taught. Intellectually, the dont have the same conclusions as Madhyamakas two truths are that things arise due to inter-dependence, and the ultimate truth is that they don't inherently exist. Vedanta believes that all things are illusion and that consciousness is all that is true existence. That there is Maya the illusion and Brahman the absolute true existence. So neither does Vedanta say the same thing intellectually nor experientially as a Buddha experiences infinite consciousness in a formless Samadhi, but goes beyond it through insight into dependent origination and doesn't see things as originating from this independent source as one with it as Vedanta says.

Alwayson, I have read most all the suttas and sutras, and plenty of tantras, as well as Dzogchen texts. But, nice try in diminishing me.

Alwayson, Dzogchen is my main practice and study, and Dzogchen does not agree with the premise presented by Vedanta either. You can ask Namdrol about this if you wish.