Vajrahridaya

Yes, like I said, you seemed to have found through Norbus teachings solidification for your projections, misunderstandings and bitterness. That's not Rigpa. p.s. Naked awareness, I mean truly naked awareness manifests various experiences, including insights transcending various limitations that you cling to as solid fact. This includes your ideas about re-birth, and Rigpa frees you from ideas of physical solidity, and other things reflecting these insights. If you've truly experienced Rigpa, you can see directly how "Jalus" or "Rainbow Body" is possible, as well as elongation of life. From the things you state, it's obvious that you don't even believe in the possibility of the "Jalus." It's also obvious that you haven't really experienced Rigpa, but merely one of the Jhana states. You should go back to Norbu, with true humility and study what he has to offer you with your head laid down in honest openness. Not the pretend openness that you saw him respond to with distaste thinking it was a reflection of some other projections you have about his dislike for being considered a "father figure" that you consider real and true. You saw in Norbu, only what you wanted to see.

I used to think like this... then I got humble. There is some goodness in this attitude, and I think every sage has to go through this kind of breaking away from whatever is "popular culture" internally, but at the same time, it can be very self deluding and self aggrandizing. It can be an intellectual or emotional excuse that just leads to lots of trouble if taken up without true insight. I'm not saying "it is" in any black and white sense either, but there is that possibility. This attitude can also be another type of limitation, as if all Masters are counter culture? As you said, "All" masters... and I disagree with this idea of, "all" masters are non-conformists. Sure from one point of view, yes... they don't conform to limited views, but I think you're stating a limiting view of what enlightenment is and isn't. Plenty of Masters absolutely are not counter culture and are gentle and yielding and not extreme with their "crazy wisdom." Humility is key and opens one to the possibility that maybe you are wrong and that your experiences or insights are originating dependent upon a wrong view or more aptly an extreme view. p.s. Also, the Buddha said that he was just here to re-establish an ancient path. He didn't say that he was here, "starting his own thing." Buddhism is actually a path that pre-existed the Buddha and he was merely re-kindling it. This is stated by him in the Pali Suttas. It's good to know what the content of the books are that you are pissing on before you piss on them, otherwise you are burning words that you haven't even read and understood yet.

No, I know that you were there in front of Norbu, but the things you say do not reflect his teachings as expressed in his books, the talks I've been to, and what others who have been with him for decades have to say about his teachings. I'm not talking about things that are up for interpretation either, but specifics. Including the belief in the ability to elongate your life indefinitely through secluded practice. He talks about such masters in "Crystal and the Way of Light." A book he wrote for popular consumption. Not to mention the books you are only allowed access to after various transmissions and initiations. Your beliefs just don't line up at all ralis. Which is why I say that you only saw in Chogyal Namkhai Norbu Rinpoche what you wanted to see, and that's it.

Very cool. The other month I was robbed at knife point near by my neighborhood store. It was interesting, because at first I struggled for about 10 seconds, but he was stronger and wrapped me up with my face against the wall and had the knife right at my right kidney. I already knew it was sharp because it cut my finger during the struggle. At that point, I completely relaxed and felt a light (saw a light) come over me. I felt... "If I was in his situation, I'd do the same thing." I felt genuine compassion for the guy and you know what? He felt that coming from me and responded in kind, only taking the cash in my wallet, 30 dollars and leaving me with my wallet and keys. I told him, "I understand, it's ok." He was nice to me after that and I went on my way. I felt myself just relinquish control and I found compassion and a depth of relaxation that I'm sure would not have happened had I not been a practitioner of dharma. Thank goodness for the practices!! Saved my kidney!

It can... yes! I'm not denying that at all.

You haven't received teachings from Norbu, as he believes in things entirely different what you have stated on this forum in replys to me. You've been to Norbu teachings and you received solidification's for your own ideas and projections, but that's it. Also, my point was not to state what you have read, but that it is limited and to limit your openness to these limitations is well... limiting. It's also dogmatic, in a different sense than religious. What I mean by limited is that even if you've read thousands of books, that is a small drop in the history of books.

The heavens of clear waters rushing down to the valley of the people. There's that whole metaphor thingy with the Tao being compared to water, ya know.

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Yes, indeed! I will also continue to work on my ego... as promised Gerard. My wife is very good and pointing it out to me.

But, do you know where you are going at death? Also, there is still ahimsa (doing no harm). Enlightenment is transcendent of the virtues, but is reflected through them. The classic virtues are like the christmas ornaments without a tree, but still shining for all to see regardless. As they are the lights that help others understand with more clarity, the deep goodness of an enlightened and liberated mind. Even though that mind is liberated and free from being virtuous at the same time.

That's awesome Ben, I admire your dedication.

Actually ralis, I've had direct experiences of how one can contemplate the radiance's of the elements and experience nourishment directly through this contemplation. I've experienced the dissolution of density, directly. So, gullibility is not really what we are talking about here. Also, it has nothing to do with being Western or Eastern in this sense as plenty of people of the East have experiences that lead them to believe that it is possible to transcend the level of life that the masses such as you cling to as hard truth. Also, I guess you don't believe those posts about that Indian man who was tested in a closed environment on the validity of his claim that he just doesn't eat. They found that he actually didn't eat. "There are more things in heaven and earth, Horatio, Than are dreamt of in your philosophy." For someone who claims such superior intelligence as you ralis, you sure are a pretty limited thinker. Which is reflected by your lack of yogic experience. As what you say and how you share is a revelation of this lack. You should consider how closed and limited your personal experience is, as it's based merely on the memory of this life, first of all. It is also based upon the very few people that you have met and known, as well as the culture you grew up in, and the very few books you have read. I mean very limited in the sense that there are a vast amount of books in so many languages and so many cultures and so many people on planet Earth, and even those that connect through popular culture and television, is a limited amount of people. Just because these people went looking for these yogis in the caves. Doesn't mean these yogis wanted to be found by these people. Yogis of this level are highly sensitive and can know through psychic power when someone is coming. Even I can do this, with my very limited level of yogic power. Even thugs on the street have psychic powers that they use to avoid the police, you have no idea... obviously. So these cave yogis of such high caliber must have such a level of clairvoyance that you probably wouldn't even consider possible, but is.

Oh, I'm ralis!! I'm so intelligent!! I only believe what I've directly experienced and I have no openness towards anything other than my myopic box of karmic baggage! I'm soooo smart! :lol: Well, ChNNR believes this stuff... I guess that goes to show that you are not a student of Chogyal Namkhai Norbu Rinpoche. Which I've understood since I've first met you. You are a student of your own musings and egoic experiences. I wonder why you even bother?

I've read all his in print books and most of his out of print books. I used to collect them actually! Had so many of his very rare books. I had a really cool dream with Gurumayi the other night... actually... I guess the night of Christmas? It took place on the night/early morning of December 26th though I suppose in our time zone on the East Coast of the USA. I've got nothing but respect for what Baba Muktananda did for the knowledge of Kundalini in the West. He awakened my mother in 76' to a process deeper than the mundane.

Nirvana is throwing your center into infinite regress, or to put it another way, an abyss. This will scare your center into freedom from itself. But of course it's deeper than this too as this can be grasped onto as an essential subject as well, as it's done in traditions that uphold the void as absolute.

The key to the 4 brahmaviharas, yes. Nirvana? That's a little/alot deeper.

Because you're not getting it doesn't mean others reading aren't, don't be so selfish. p.s. I know you still uphold a primordial and static essence.

Emptying both and being free from reference, while experiencing both simultaneously without seam.

This is what dependent origination means, it's the viewless view. It also sees the results of any view, as any experience arises dependent upon view and vice versa. While most traditions set up an Eternalistic basis for a static and substantial basis for a non-dual view. Dependent Origination collapses all basis, all reference, even Brahman has not leg to stand on here. This is the non-substantialist non-dual view, which means a whole lot more than it's appearance in word format.

You're dealing with a more densely inter-subjective medium here. Where this is more projection than reception. It's just the way this medium is, in general, not in absolute. But mostly... if we all got together and talked in person in a controlled group of something like a round table... I'm sure the outcome would be more amicable. Just reading the words of a person, you need a preface a subject and a climax (or however it goes, it's been a while since I've studied this stuff). Which is why generally speaking, reading books is better than reading burps on a blog. Because we have a tendency to take things out of context that don't already have a context set up for them in the above mentioned format. So, don't feel bad.

Once I really realized I was doing more bad than good, it was pretty easy to be more lenient and liberal... as all I really want to do is benefit! Not scare people. I realized the only people that were liking my posts were mostly people who were already Buddhist to begin with. Thanks MH!! Love you too bro.

Nope, it's far from merely mental. Thank years of meditation, chanting and selfless service practice for that!! Yes, that too can work for you!! But yes, I will keep working on my ego though. A Buddha doesn't limit their compassion with an anti-internet forum mentality. Buddha of unlimited compassion and anti- this and that just doesn't mesh.