Vajrahridaya

It's all malleable. You can experience any mood and still experience self liberated bliss even while you are experiencing any mood. Because it's all empty of inherent existence, all moods are free from the power to truly bind.

Okey dokie!

You say that you are calculating in your responses, and they reveal very little about you and your spiritual pursuits. So, then either they are straight up lies, and they do not reflect your views, or you are lying to yourself about your posts and don't realize how much you actually have revealed about yourself? If they are lies, than you are a calculating fraud, and dishonest with us here at TTB. If they are not, then you are merely clever in your self deception about your self exposure.

Well, at least you got a laugh... at least I sparked a moment of happiness in your life and not just contention.

It's fine if you make excuses to yourself, as you are responsible for them in the end.

Yes, Buddhism can be very boring for the ego, especially Hinayana. Vajrayana and Dzogchen have a tendency to appeal to the exciting emotional side of people. They tend to spark more vigor. It's there nature, they are less external and less conceptual and more experiential forms of Buddhism. I do understand where you're coming from. There has to be a deep sense of inspiration to even read and get through the Pali Canon. Ralis does not even nominally take refuge in the triple gem. He missed that part about Chogyal Namkhai Norbu Rinpoches teachings and practice, how each and every practice starts with taking refuge in the triple gem, and most of the things he says reflects his deep misunderstanding of Dzogchen and it's intention, as well as even what the experience of Rigpa means. He reads Dzogchen as "intrinsic awareness" or "primordial awareness" and has this idea about what that means which is really pretty far from what it's intention is within the context of Dzogchen... he has monist ideas about the experience and concept, revolving around attachment to inherent existence. He doesn't even realize it.

I think your subjective view of things clouds your intuition as well as your interpretation of statements. I in fact know... because I can feel it in my body when I read your posts. p.s. mostly they emanate a sense of bitterness and disappointment.

Speak for yourself then. Most people study Dzogchen and get the wrong idea about... ralis is one particular example.

Actually, you didn't even re-read my final post. You're lazy. I actually was meaning to keep that on there. I kept dropped, then I later explained more clearly what I meant. Because karma cannot be dropped, it has to be seen through, dissolved. If you think you can drop karma, that's just repression. I'm not making anything concrete ralis... you do.

I was actually already in the middle of editing it before you kept quoting it again... If you look at it now, that's my final response to your post. I actually wasn't even trying to re-post it and the editing of the double posts were not one after the other, so you're kind of going back and forth through time by seeing the different posts and their different manifestations.

It's not so much about dropping karma as it is realizing it's emptiness. You still want conditions for re-manifesting enlightened awareness. Unless you truly think that the death of this body is the end, and if you really do invest lots of energy in that idea, it will manifest for you as the jhana of nothingness. Nothing will be your reality for as long as the power and energy that you invested in it persists, due to causes and conditions.

You're still not a rock, so you have the malleable consciousness of a sentient being. I'm sorry... nothing I've ever said has made a single dent in your relentless attack on Buddhism. You can quote endlessly from bitter and jaded people that reflect your ideas. You find what you seek for. Dependent origination/emptiness reveals that there is no concrete force. You must have really been hurt by Christianity and the information that you have read or read into. Maybe you've carried this energy pattern with you for lifetimes and it keeps recycling experiences that solidify this view for you? None the less, it's dependently originated and empty of inherent existence, so is not solid and you do have the power to drop it at any point in time? You too can see more clearly and free yourself from black and white interpretation.

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Ok, you and GIH are explaining this way better than I am. I'll just shut up.

Well, that must be why you might be a little confused about what Dzogchen teaches. Dzogchen is Buddhism at it's best, it's the experience of all the Buddhas teachings. Also the Buddha didn't manifest the rainbow body because he had too many disciples that didn't stick to their vows. Wheel turners will generally not attain Jalus. Padmasambhava attained jalus because he was sure to only teach very ripe students and he didn't have too many students that broke their vows. The Buddha taught everybody and anybody, and this effects the bodies energy due to connecting with that amount of people on the level that he did. Dzogchen texts explain it better than I can. Anyway... he left through the 4th jhana to the peerless deva realm in order to keep teaching in the celestial. Why not attain a high jhana and go talk with him and have the discussion with him yourself?

That is all the Buddha is saying, is that you are carrying an energy, either subconsciously or consciously that is manifesting circumstances that reflect this energy. This is explained with more clarity in Vajrayana as opposed to Hinayana explanations. Though of course this wisdom is available for anyone, period, if they would only look. It isn't so black and white and tit-for-tat. It's merely the continuum of energetic patterns in the mind stream. "Karma" The Buddha gives a non-linear explanation of karma in the Suttas. In the case of victim and victimizing, it's a continuum, a simultaneous kind of matching up of karmic circumstances, seemingly chaotic and out of whack, and it kind of is, but there is a pattern, an energetic one that is being met. Not as punishment or anything like that, but just out of the complexity of causation. The Buddha said this universe that we live in, this level, is like a disc spinning out of balance. So no, it's not linear in that sense. I think you are actually saying it better than I was. But, this is exactly what is taught in Vajrayana and Dzogchen. This was also how Gurumayi used to talk about karma in some of her talks. But, that also can happen, actually, it's more like patterns can repeat themselves in different ways, over and over again and if vengeance is a strong pattern, than it can actually play out in that black and white sense. But yes... I understand what you're saying and I agree. Just like anything, it can persist for as long as there is attachment to it, or energy put into it.

I am in no way positing an understanding that is akin to the "original sin" concept of Catholicism.

You are thinking to emotionally and not going deep into the rational, which transcends the emotion and should temper the emotional. Really, they should join hips as twins. What needs to be understood, is that the child wasn't just born, the child had past lives, shit doesn't just happen. If you haven't seen your past lives, then of course you would have doubts. I have no doubts. It's something that strikes at the very heart of the ignorance of chaos. By your response, you think Chaos is absolute and real by itself. Chaos is order misunderstood and order is chaos seen clearly. even in Chaos theory, what seems chaotic reveals a pattern as you see more deeply into it. This in no way justifies violent behavior or justifies abuse. That is not what I'm saying. What I'm doing is revealing that everything has causes that extend even past this life. No one is truly innocent, unless you are realizing the nature of emptiness directly. A baby still has beginningless lifetimes of karma to play out, unless they are coming to the spiritual path and emptying all those impressions or transforming them into conditions for enlightened expression. What I'm saying is a very profound realization and understanding, that hits like a ton of bricks. It doesn't excuse the abuser from responsibility, it just reveals why a particular person was there to experience that, not as a justification, but as an effect of previous causes that most people can't see because mostly we are so caught up on the surface of things. This understanding of karma, in no way justifies apathy though, as it should bring up a deeper experience of compassion and the desire to reach out and help both people involved. You're thinking in terms of your Christian upbringing. It's not punishment, it's simply cause and effect. Who knows, the abused child could grow up to go through heartache and pain, only to turn it around into conditions for deep compassion and the will to help hundreds of abused children do the same. A person, if interested in going past the surface of things, should contemplate deeper ramifications of things. It doesn't, but Christian upbringing and the strong desire to run away from these concepts of punishment, might project that. It's not a "Buddhist" model, it's actually a deep realization of what is. Well, in that sense it is a Buddhist model in the sense that Buddha merely means "awake." No one is innocent, but everyone and anyone can essentially realize their primordial freedom and experience the clarity of innocence. Even Buddhas did horrible things in past lives, and we are lucky to have some living examples who actually have shared these experiences with us. They are far beyond these horrible things that they have done in past lives, and they now live from the lessons learned concerning the nature of these horrible actions committed by them, even maybe in this life! There is for instance Angulimala who murdered hundreds of people and robbed hundreds of people, but became a disciple of the Buddha in that lifetime 2,500 years ago and was a very deeply realized disciple of the Buddha by the end of his life. Kate... no one is justifying anything, and no one is saying that they are being punished for something. It's just cause and effect, there is no effect, without causes, coming from both sides... it's a continuum. This has to be realized, not thought about per say, as the thinking of it will get in the way. It has to be seen directly. This realization healed lifetimes of pain and helped me experience deep forgiveness for both my parents and the kids involved in my abuse as a youth. There is no underestimating the power of the realization of past lives to clear away so many misunderstandings about the nature of things, and this seeming chaos called "The Universe." P.S. Goldisheavy explains what I was trying to say very well. I just read his post after I wrote this one.

That's only when the kundalini reaches the ajna chakra. Kundalini is experienced different depending upon the chakra it's working through.

Yes, my Rinpoche says that it can be an independent vehicle, if you are ready for that. Also, to correlate the tenets of the lower yanas with the tenets of Dzogchen is an error, as Dzogchen only has 1 truth, and not the two truths of the lower yanas, as well as all the rules of the lower yanas don't apply to Dzogchen, though so many masters say they should still be practiced even if you are a Dzogchenpa. Making the tenet systems of the different yanas equal is not what I'm talking about. I'm talking about having the basic understanding of dependent origination of Hinayana, the basic understanding of the Bodhisattva path of Mahayana, and the basic understanding of transformation from Vajrayana will all be completed and realized through Dzogchen self liberation, and the experience of rigpa will be understood with deeper clarity. Dzogchen does NOT supersede any yanas, it completes the essential goal of all the yanas. There is an experiential understanding to this that is not merely an intellectual exercise, as the intellectual exercises of the different yanas, are different, and yes, Dzogchen supersedes sutra and tantra in the tenets of practice and application, but it completes the experience, or cycle of the lower yanas, so you really aren't transcending anything. This is why a master of Dzogchen will indeed teach the lower yanas, because they are complimentary to clarity. Dzogchen doesn't throw the baby out with the bathwater, it just thoroughly drys the baby after throwing out the dirty and used bathwater.

Yes, that's exactly it. You say it very well... Too funny... yes... like the tinkerbelle dust.

My first experiences of a meditative state was in pre-school when a kid honestly out of the goodness of their own heart, helped me in some way or another. This made me want to help others.

I do agree.

Training in all the yanas is essential to understanding the "actualized" meaning of the Dzogchen teaching, otherwise the Buddha wouldn't have even taught the first turning of the wheel.