Vajrahridaya

I'm not qualified to teach the profundity of Dzogchen, so it's recommended that someone like me should just talk and discuss sutra. Also, Dzogchen doesn't supersede, but rather completes all the different yanas. It doesn't really subvert any of the yanas, just realizes their importance and their essential meaning perfectly. Read Chogyal Namkhai Norbu Rinpoches Precious Vase and that becomes clear.

Yes, you absolutely did answer your own question. Basically, "right" evolves... Like right view goes from intellectual, to experiential, from mental consideration to intuition. Right livelihood also goes from a sense of conformity to to an ideal of good, to just spontaneous expression, either artistically, or some sort of positive activity... it will all be beneficial though, for you and those around you, even if it's not seen as such on the surface as it might be breaking social norms that have arisen based upon ignorance or limited views. But, the Buddha explains the tenets of "right" for hinayana, which changes for mahayana and again changes for vajrayana reflective of different stages of personal development. Then what you are talking about more lies within dzogchen, when "right" is just a spontaneous reflection of primordial awareness in the non-dualistic sense, but with a wide scope of understanding the nature of cause and effect with deep respect for it's reality. Basically, right in this sense reflects how wide ones intuitive scope of dependent origination is. But, it's good to have some basics, like the Buddha taught Ahimsa... "Do no harm." That is pretty basic. Don't do harm in any of your actions and you'll be fine.

I guess this is what you're talking about Cat? Time, Space & Knowledge: A New Vision of Reality (Nyingma Psychology Series) and I guess this is his commentary on this book? Sacred Dimensions of Time & Space (Perspectives on Time, Space & Knowledge)

Yes, I get both still, the blue and the red. Both can be incapacitating in one way or another, one is just too much bliss and the other is just too much "what the heck is the point?" The extremes of Eternalism and Nihilism still play themselves out in my trapped psyche. The glimpses of the middle way are both grounding and thirst quenching. Tarthang Tulku is a prolific writer! An even more prolific Dzogchen master and an example of the richness of the enlightened side of Tibetan culture. P.S. The book you are talking about is on the second page, right? Tarthang Tulku books... lots of them. See, now this is a person who's found his purpose in life! Man, that's awesome!

Yes. All three, depending on the person. A Buddha at one point went through the first two to the 3rd. Most of us revolve around the first 2. But, plenty can do the 3rd without being a Buddha out of some sort of personal attachment or another. Yes! But, that doesn't mean that a Buddha will remember all infinite past lives, just enough to learn the lessons necessary to see through the mass of Samsara and turn it into the inner experience of Nirvana. It has to be realized deep within that the point is just to live the rest of Eternity in freedom and service, that is the only point. Before Buddhahood we go through all sorts of points to life, we live for some sort of personal achievement, we live for our family, we live to accumulate pleasures. That's why generally when one meets the spiritual path, one is excited at first, then troubled, then as Jesus say's in the Gospel of Thomas, you rule over the all! Not in that I'm the king sense, but just that you are not at the mercy of Samsara anymore. Basically when you go through the troubled part, all your previous ideas of purpose that seemed satisfying just seem totally pointless now, and this realization releases lots of trapped pain, and one might experience a sense of depression, apathy for a time being, or overwhelming empathy as well, the type that just incapacitates you. Anyway, I think it's all just part of the process. This question you ask is very good and a good sign, though it can bring up lots of stuff. This is why Buddhism is so ordered, not ambiguous, and very clear. It is not like other religions in the "organized" sense. It is conceptually organized, and the Buddha did that on purpose, because people need these kinds of supports. The 8 fold path is that kind of support, that support that gives a person who is having the realizations that you are having, a purpose. What's the purpose? 1. Right view 2. Right intention 3. Right speech 4. Right action 5. Right livelihood 6. Right effort 7. Right mindfulness 8. Right concentration Leading too, 9. Superior right knowledge 10. Superior right liberation And as they say, "before enlightenment, chop wood, carry water, and after enlightenment, chop wood, carry water." So even after enlightenment, after one has 9. and 10. One still does 1 through 8, forever. The 8 fold path are both the path to enlightenment, and a reflection of enlightened conduct and purpose. The specifics of how that will manifest for you as your personal purpose, is really up to you to find out. No one can tell you this but you. But, it should all reflect the 8 fold path, both before enlightenment and after enlightenment.

These are Indian Tantric practices so I doubt most people here are going to know what you're talking about and I've never heard it referenced in any of the Indian tantric texts I've read. I've heard of the blue star, blue sphere which I've seen plenty of, and the spiritual eye must be the anja chakra, and that's been opened... so please... can you expand?

Could you describe what you mean? I've heard the 3rd eye called the spiritual eye. Golden light... sure. Really... can you elaborate?

Hmmm, state law in NY allows for it within ceremonial settings. I guess they're law contradicts federal law. Same as the California Cannibus Clubs? Or something like that... hehe! I like that tingling relaxation, that instant first jhana feeling you get when you hold that space for a split second longer than usual and rush the prana through the body.

I like what he learns in the cave about the chakras. That really changed my understanding when I read it some 15 years ago.

I liked the book, "Chronicles of Tao."

Ok... no problem. I understand this perspective and it's nice. Not too practical, but it helps as a different perspective. I've also had it, so no, you're not a nutter. It's more practical to think in terms of progress of process, though recognizing internally that it's all equally empty, right now. If you don't recognize the process of progress, you might get caught up in all sorts of intellectual and emotional excuses to just not put in the work that's necessary to participate on a spiritual journey! I want to reiterate the fact that really does make Buddhism different. For us, we don't take the timeless, non-linear, silence, or the non-conceptual as any more ultimate than the paradigm of progression of time, or noise, or the realm of concepts. They are both relative, dependently originated and empty of inherent existence, they are connected, but not one, they are empty, but not of one inherent substance or even one inherent non-substance. I understand, the variables are endless. Well sure, this happens in higher realms, even before this Earth dimension universe came into being. But the information or mind stream of the new offspring still had a past life. That wasn't the beginning of that individual mind stream. All infinite mind streams have an infinite beginning, not one beginning, but an endless beginning... all equally empty now, but still, progression is endless for all endless mind-streams. No way to count how many. It's true, and just like how a mind stream is born here from a previous life, so are they also born in higher or lower realms from a previous life, and a previous life before that, without beginning. I agree, it does rock! But, I do have a disagreement with you here, no one dimension is a home for someone, in the absolute sense, because no one dimension is absolute by itself. Because your memory only goes so far as having been born in one dimension or another, doesn't mean this is so, as the beings of those other more refined level dimensions or alien dimensions also had past lives of having been of another dimension, or similar dimension... to whatever degree the attachment is for that individual mind stream. For instance, the Earth came from this sun, which came from this galaxy which came from this universe, and where did this universe come from? Well it came from another previous universe or connected older universe, as well as all the inhabitants here came from somewhere, before... in the most linear sense of things.

I'm staying away from this Dr. Phil guy... no just kidding. It's interesting how people can take things in ways that are so far from the original intention.

I agree Ryan-O Also, for a Buddhist, this one is made of many, and this one does not subvert the many as well as the many possibilities of many different perspectives. This one is not an ultimate source of the many, but just a holistic view of seeing the many. This one is not a real self standing one that subverts variations and makes them disappear, though you can have that experience if you attach to that idea with enough focus and power, this still doesn't make it anymore real. Buddhism recognizes just how deep chaos goes as well as how deeply ordered it is at the same time. It's true that love is a room that all good spiritual traditions share, but how that love is utilized and cultivated, and maintained is really very different. Some will dissolve into a formless love at death because they believe that very intensely is the Self of all (Vedanta). Other paths teach how to have loving awareness into other lives taking tools of teaching with them in order to help others endlessly (Buddhism), some teach how to have love for a God of all and how to get to a realm where they can be with there favorite idea of God either form or formless in loving embrace(Monotheism). It's true that Love is the great equalizer, but for a Buddhist, there is more to Nirvana than just that. It's a nice gushy feeling when we see that we can all have love and it's the only emotion that can truly be de-conditioned, yes, made infinite. But, Buddhism just doesn't align with the view or experience that all things are really just one thing. It never has. To disagree is to just say that Buddhism is wrong at it's very core, which is fine. But, we are not "monists" (one-ists). I think it's good to not be confused about how ultimate differences can be when it comes to the relative world, and for a Buddhist, that's all there is, there is no ultimate "truth" only an ultimate "insight" called "awake", (Buddhahood). I am a religious pluralist, as I see that all religions have goodness to offer and are worthy of respect, but I also recognize that they have different conclusions about the nature of reality that is not only relative, but ultimate.

I agree! Ya never know.

What is that supposed to mean? Ah yes, judgmental-ism! The biggest religion of them all. I've got certain people on permanent ignore as well, including ralis and songs, but I generally ignore my ignore option.

Thank you Kate! This is not the kind of self blame I am referring to, but rather a super-normal recognition of cause and effect transcending this life. There is an order to chaos, and it can be recognized. It was a recognition that released me from so much despair and blame of any sort, even towards me really! It granted me so much forgiveness as well, deep sobbing forgiveness. This recognition was not that of an intellectual excuse, but rather a deep recognition of the nature of the universe, through various visions, it is experiential. No Kate, shit doesn't just happen. There is no effect without a cause, and both sides always play some sort of part in it, even if the child is indeed innocent, which is the case in a sense, even if that child was lets say a crook in a past life or even just a violent wolf, this does not excuse the parent or older person from their actions, I'm just saying that cause and effect is a mess but real. The good thing is in my case, is that the major players in my abuse, including my parents have contemplated and apologized as well as made amends for their actions or in my mothers case, non-action. Even one of the kids who really layed into me in Elementary school has since apologized, actually just this year! I found him on FB. Some of the things he said to me in Elementary school as well as did to me really screwed my self esteem up for many years. Anyway... it's all been forgiven, to whatever degree that it has, as it's still a work in progress. But, I'm not a victim of chaos. I am also not condoning the actions of the abusers who all the around the world need to nullify the karma through meditation on their inner causes for acting out in this way. P.S. Oh yes... by the way, I did enjoy the link.

There is no question that he stole from great teachings and utilized them in his fraud. The thing is, is that he didn't get permission to do this from the people who's teachings he exploited for his own gain. These people don't like him for saying the things he said as he did mis-represent them. That might just be there own ego talking, but still. It's funny and sad that people are still coming around those villages and asking for Don Juan, a person who never existed except in CC's own imagination. Anything can be inspiring and one Guru said that a great disciple can learn great things from a false Guru. So, it has everything to do with you, but that doesn't justify his actions. Also, poor villagers man! Come on! But yeah... keep breathing! I like that space between breathes.

I was gona say!! I was thinking.. hmmm... I might have said that jokingly some time ago... but I know I didn't say it in this thread! :lol: First I'll just throw out a correction, because there is a huge difference between the intent and meaning of independent origination and dependent origination. So, the Buddhist view is dependent origination, the Theist view is independent origination. These contemplations lead to entirely different understandings of the nature of things. Independent origination proposes a universe that is originated by an independent source, endowed with creative will as the one behind the many. Dependent origination reveals infinite regress and endless differences without beginning or end, and this is the Buddhist view. Ok, moving on... As far as the math for reincarnation. Do you see how many people act like animals? Well, plenty of people were animals. Also beings are being born here from other dimensions all the time, lower dimensions, higher dimensions, alien worlds. I've met some straight up aliens, first time humans. Sometimes very, very strange who admit to having been alien in their immediate past life. Anyway... it's not so linear as you are considering. What you are asking when you say... "a person may not necessarily get to the end of the view to see what's happening" A person won't get to the first cause of themself, if that's what your asking, as there isn't one. But, you can get to the personal cause of Samsaric experience. That is found by delving into your own mind and removing all illusions of self attachment and clinging on an experiential level, first philosophically, then meditatively, then through self liberation in activity. But if you are looking for the beginning of your personal mind stream? That is an attachment that will never be fulfilled, as long as it remains an attachment, or desire. That is part of the craving of grasping at a self. To try and find a primordial Self is considered impossible by Buddhist standards. Because Buddhism doesn't consider the big bang the beginning, but merely an aspect of a never ending cycle of infinite potential, the ever many. Which is why Buddhists don't go for the concept of universal oneness, or get lost in an experience of "oneness" as that experience has a tendency to overwhelm subtle discernment with an attachment to bliss as an absolute Self. All that is worth going after is the inner cause of your experience of Samsara, and that does have a beginning, in each and every new moment. That can be unraveled and understood completely.

That is amazing K.A.! Yes, Garchen is a very rare being... sadly... I wish there were more of him on the Earth, but right now... we must have some kind of merit to even have him aboard star ship Earth at this time. Man... he is powerful, and I've never met him in person, but I've heard so many stories and I just really, really connected with him when I first saw him in the Yogis of Tibet video. I bawled just through seeing him on the video. Also the older Rinpoche... I forgot his name? He was on the video, though he passed on recently. He was totally amazing!! I fell out of my seat when I saw and heard him talk. I could feel him so deeply. Anyway... yes! Garchen-la!! I hope to meet him in person sometime soon. I know he loves to travel and give White Tara transmissions. I actually paid for one in 09' when he was in NJ or NY? But, I had to cancel and get a refund because of some really hard times. They gave me a huge sliding scale discount, and I still couldn't go because of transportation costs. But... man. He just looks like a walking heart! :wu: Oh yeah... Drubwang Rinpoche.. that's the old guy I was talking about. He's on the video you shared above.

Yes, I agree that there is the rose colored glasses phenomena. I am not suggesting that. I'm just talking about negative focus and how damaging it is to wise and open awareness. Who is blaming the abused? At the same time, if I don't understand the continuum of life, than I wouldn't see how the outer world and it's circumstances that I've experienced and come into direct contact with are reflections of my own previous actions and intentions as life is a bank where I get 100 percent what I put into it. Shit doesn't just happen without causes, and that goes with personal experiences have personal causes. If I can't recognize how much power I have I would remain bound by the idea of chaos and would feel helpless to change my circumstances, or I would succumb to just stupidly waiting for charity as if I were owed something? Instead of manifesting my own destiny through self empowerment. Why should I play the role of the victim? Have a pity party? I manifested the situations in my life, not souly, as there is inter-dependent co-creating going on here. But, I did align myself with all those early, early situations of abuse through my past lives in some way or another, and so did other victims of abuse. Now abusers... well... should we just shoot them all? As most abusers were victims of abuse in a cycle of abuse. I'm not justifying the actions either, as anyone can be like me and contemplate their way out of the cycle. Then again, I'm only able to do that due to having been influenced with the right tools in order to do so. So many victims of abuse have never been influenced by positive and personal role models, thus they wouldn't even know how to break the cycle even if they tried. I being the victim of abuse and neglect which resulted in subsequent acting out, and eventually poverty and homelessness a few times, can speak from personal experience when I say that I forgive my abusers, no matter how painful it all was, and I see how much of the situations had to do with me on an unconscious level. Also, who knows what kind of karma I burnt by going through such abuse? That doesn't justify an abuser, as they are just making more karma for themselves and not contemplating the nature of action/reaction. But, I must be responsible for myself, first and foremost. I don't see a problem with that... as long as a person keeps cultivating their own positive evolution and keeps learning with every new step, as well as unlearning all that's not needed.

Sure, in retrospect. It was actually a good time once I gave into being there. Got really deep with other troubled teens, caught a crush, it was a transformative time in my life. It wasn't a crazy bin, it was a psychiatric ward for troubled teens, some were forced to be there by court order and others were there because of parents. I actually didn't want to leave once my month was up.

This is a good exposure of the truth of CC's abuse and fraudulent claims.

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Yes, they are revealing deviations. But most people have these deviations, including me, though less and less over the years! So, this type of stuff will happen at first, but when you do the training in yantra yoga, dream yoga, deepen meditation, mudra, mantra, visualization, etc. the energy will integrate and start to travel clearly through the channels, and the experience will be that of a calm and integrated bliss, rather than a powerful rush of alien seeming energy through the system.