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when I get the feeling that I'm about to leave my body, if I have any thought about it happening, it stops. But once I slip back into a desireless state, and just let whatever is happening to happen, I pop out very easily. If there is any demand or impatience in a desire, it's probably not going to happen. I think the desire for the benefits of kunlun is implied by doing the practice. Ask for bliss, then surrender to it.

Don't be so hard on yourself. There's a lot going on "behind the veil" that will be revealed when the time is right. Desiring the experience keeps it from happening.

I think the magic is in the little striped shorts. Not the deal-a-meal cards.

I grew up in Michigan. Livonia to be exact. Max told me he's from the Troy/Ferndale area. Where do you live, Darin?

I've had good results with the Egoscue method, but I think I favor Somatics, by Thomas Hanna. I once had back pain for nine months, gained twenty pounds, was miserable! Couldn't sit or sleep w/out pain. Then I spent two hours learning somatics from the book and all pain was gone! Worth checking out and fairly easy to learn.

Have you ever noticed how the hippies had a very "spontaneous", or free form way of dancing, back in the 60's.? They had a little "acid qigong' thing going on there. Transmission by LSD! Sounds like trouble.

kunlunbliss

well this thread went right down the toilet!

I'm in the North Bay-Marin County

I'm really pulling for you guys, but it seems to me you are taking the band - aid approach with all of these physical techniques which only keeps your focus "down there", thus increasing the very energy you are trying to overcome. It's all in your mind! Where are your thoughts? Refuse any and all sexual thoughts. Just flat out refuse them! If you are just trying to not have sex, you are putting the odds against you. It's too negative. You need to move toward something positive, something spiritual, and divine. And open yourself to that force, and call it down into you. You need to exceed your self, spiritually. Think of how you will feel if you succeed. What a victory it will be, and what a giant step forward you will have taken to be free of every urge and impulse that you allow to enter you by stepping outside of the machinery as a free being. There are many layers, of course, but every step is hard won and creates a momentum that will soon take on a life of it's own and then it becomes an effortless effort. Are you moving away from something? Or are you moving towards something? Where is your mind? Where are your thoughts? Where are you focused?

you had to look anyways...

Who represents the highest spiritual attainment to you? Put your mind on that and do japa (repetition of the name) as often as possible, from deep in the heart center or above the head. If you focus on energy, you run the risk of increasing it, leaving you hornier than before. Don't be a slave of desire. It's a good idea to have a hose nearby if you are playing with matches, but it's an even better idea to not play with matches in the first place.

According to Seinfeld, she should have to do 150 days.

[quote I've read nothing but positive comments about Kunlun on this forum and just wanted to know what other people thought about all this? , maybe someone can give me some reassurance. Thanks Peace ????????????????????? Are you being serious? Didn't you answer your own question in the same sentence?

This is the solution, this the salvation, this the perfection that I offer to all those who can listen to a divine voice within them and are capable of this faith and knowledge. But to climb to this pre-eminent condition the first necessity, the original radical step is to turn away from all that belongs to your lower Nature and fix yourself by concentration of the will and intelligence on that which is higher than either will or intelligence, higher than mind and heart and sense and body. And first of all you must turn to your own eternal and immutable self, impersonal and the same in all creatures. So long as you live in ego and mental personality, you will always spin endlessly in the same rounds and there can be no real issue. Turn your will inward beyond the heart and its desires and the sense and its attractions; lift it upward beyond the mind and its associations and attachments and its bounded wish and thought and impulse. Arrive at something within you that is eternal, ever unchanged, calm, unperturbed, equal, impartial to all things and persons and happenings, not affected by any action, not altered by the figures of Nature. Be that, be the eternal self, be the Brahman. If you can become that by a permanent spiritual experience, you will have an assured basis on which you can stand delivered from the limitations of your mind-created personality, secure against any fall from peace and knowledge, free from ego. ``Thus to impersonalise your being is not possible so long as you nurse and cherish and cling to your ego or anything that belongs to it. Desire and the passions that arise from desire are the principal sign and knot of ego. It is desire that makes you go on saying I and mine and subjects you through a persistent egoism to satisfaction and dissatisfaction, liking and disliking, hope and despair, joy and grief, to your petty loves and hatreds, to wrath and passion, to your attachment to success and things pleasant and to the sorrow and suffering of failure and of things unpleasant. Desire brings always confusion of mind and limitation of the will, an egoistic and distorted view of things, a failure and clouding of knowledge. Desire and its preferences and violences are the first strong root of sin and error. There can be while you cherish desire no assured stainless tranquillity, no settled light, no calm pure knowledge. There can be no right being -- for desire is a perversion of the spirit -- and no firm foundation for right thought, action and feeling. Desire, if permitted to remain under whatever colour, is a perpetual menace even to the wisest and can at any moment subtly or violently cast down the mind from even its firmest and most surely acquired foundation. Desire is the chief enemy of spiritual perfection. from "Essays On The Gita"

The psychic self control that is desirable in these surroundings and in the midst of discussion would mean among other things: 1. Not to allow the impulse of speech to assert itself too much or say anything without reflection, but to speak always with a conscious control and only what is necessary and helpful. 2. To avoid all debate, dispute or too animated discussion and simply say what has to be said and leave it there. There should be no insistence that you are right and the others wrong, but what is said should only be thrown in as a contribution to the consideration of the truth of the matter. 3. To keep the tone of speech and the wording very quiet and calm and uninsistent. 4. Not to mind at all if others are heated and dispute, but remain quiet and undisturbed and yourself speak only what can help things to be smooth again. 5. If there is gossip about others and harsh criticism, not to join - for these things are helpful in no way and only lower the consciousness from its higher level. 6. To avoid all that would hurt or wound others. SRI AUROBINDO This should be called Message Board Qigong. The art of energy maintenance while dealing with morons, smart-asses, jack holes and shit-for-brains people on the internet.

I did the Taoist sex practices for a while too. The problem I had with them is they worked so good, I felt as though I was becoming addicted to sex. Practice, practice, practice!

Excuses, excuses! Sri Aurobindo is a westerner, as well as an easterner. And, he was once a real living person! Until 1950. Born in India, he wasn't allowed to associate with Indians, nor learn the language. He was raised by an English nanny and went to an english boarding school, and his first language is english. At seven years old he was sent to England to be educated and didn't return to India until he was 20 or 21. His partner, the Mother, was from France. I've been celibate for about twelve years. It wasn't as difficult as I thought it would be. I was in my 30's, so I had my fun already. The difficulty is in stopping sexual thoughts! One sexual thought leads to another, which leads to horniness, which leads to sex. Thoughts come from outside of you. I disciplined my mind to throw away the sexual thought and immediately turn my thoughts toward the Divine Mother. Do I want to rest in her arms? or do I want to blow my load? It was an easy decision for me. After a while you will realize how animalistic the sex impulse is, and you will get tired of feeling like a puppet for it's expression. Having been on both sides of the sex question, I would never go back. My respect for, and relationships with women immediately improved. Sex is a habit, not a need. It can be overcome. The way I see it, if you can overcome the sex desire, you can overcome all other desires...and be free.

"Regarding your question about a complimentary soul and marriage, the answer is easy to give; the way of the spiritual life lies for you in one direction and marriage lies in quite another and opposite. All talk about a complimentary soul is a camouflage with which the mind tries to cover the sentimental, sensational, and physical wants of the lower vital nature. It is that vital nature in you which puts the question and would like an answer reconciling it's desires and demands with the call of the true soul in you." "As to the question of marriage in general, we do not consider it advisable for one who desires to come to the spiritual life. Marriage means usually any amount of trouble, heavy burdens, a bondage to the worldly life and great difficulties in the way of single-minded spiritual endeavour. It's only natural purpose would be, if the sexual trend was impossible to conquer, to give it a restricted and controlled satisfaction." "As to sexual impulse. Regard it not as something sinful and horrible and attractive at the same time, but as a mistake and wrong movement of the lower nature. Reject it entirely, not by struggling with it, but by drawing back from it, detaching yourself and refusing your consent; look at it as something not your own, but imposed on you by a force of nature outside you." From "The Integral Yoga" Sri Aurobindo's Teaching and Method of Practice. The first one is a specific reply to an individual about his own personal situation.

How about the Sri Aurobindo Ashram in Pondicherry? That's where I would like to go.

Hey Yoda, I thought of the Quakers too. The Ken Burns documentary on Mother Ann & the Quakers was fantastic! So, what's the Golden Flower all about? W/out giving the entire technique, of course. He didn't teach that one at the SF seminar. Thanks, Gordon

The starter program is excellent. Maybe add some Buddha's Yang in small amounts to start with. You could even add a lung formula, seeing that it's the fall/metal season. Time to tonify the lungs. I don't see why they wouldn't ship to Canada.

Just as an aside; I live in Marin County, CA, where Alan Watts used to live. About fifteen years ago I was on a big Alan Watts trip. My girlfriend and I decided to split up, and she ended up living in the house where he died, in Muir Woods. Also, they used to have an AW birthday party every year down the street from where I lived at a bar called Ted's. I went once. I don't know if they still do it but it was pretty cool!

I was told the gov't required them to test all of the herbs they use at a cost of nearly $10,000 per herb. Test for what, I'm not sure, but they decided to just close their doors. Lawyer fee's, testing fee's, and loss of sales were too big of a hole to climb out of I guess. The owner of eastearthtrade.com was the source of this info if I remember correctly. I think he was somehow involved with Dragon Eggs in the past. Anyway, he's very well connected in the industry. Gordon

I agree with vortex completely. I've started to reply to some of these posts a few times over the past couple of days but couldn't find the right words w/out it turning in to a total rant. Ego?- who? when? Skirmishes? Where? on this board? you mean like every message board ever created? Sensationalism? I can understand why some people would see the movie trailers as "sensational", but I don't agree. Same for the demonstrations. Hard sell? My sister attended the free lecture in Encinitas, and my brother went to the recent free lecture in Alhambra. I just spoke to both of them on sunday and we all agree that we like the fact that there was no hard sell to go to the seminar. Quite the opposite. If they were any more casual about things, you wouldn't even know there was a seminar! "If you're interested, we'll be here the next two days". This is how Max ended the free lecture in SF. Hard sell? I think not! Not to mention, they are just getting started. Chris, you don't need to change anything.