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The ratio's are the same for everyone. The industry standard is 4:1. But you're right, the manufacturing process and the quality of herbs makes all the difference in the world. That's why Dragon Eggs had the most potent products out there. They used 6-11:1, depending on the formula, supreme grade herbs, and a low temperature, water and alcohol, full extraction. 1-5 drops is all you needed to take. I've been using there products for 23 years. They're out of business now, thanks to the gov't, but I bought a lot of product before it all disappeared. Their other line, Jade Medicine/Herbals was great too.

Yeah! Tao in a Bottle is awesome! Source Naturals has a great product called Theanine Serene which I've used many times and it's a lot cheaper than TIB. I like Dragon Herbs and Eastearthherb.com-their brand-Long Hay Flat 8:1 quality extracts,great company! And FourSeasonsHerbs.com, Ron Teeguarden's old company. Small time, nice people (Diane & Scott), excellent quality herbs,4 or 5:1, less expensive than DH. Their Black Dragon formula is great! So is Athletic Power Drops. Also, at East Earth Trade, they sell the Sanjiu concentrated powdered extracts so you can make your own formulas easily.

Chris, I think you are doing a great job and appreciate you being here. I like you just the way you are. Gordon

Will do Chris! Disclaimer; Please don't try to practice the Red Phoenix from my very incomplete description. It will only result in your head exploding. And, as far as I know, chicks don't dig that. It will be difficult to get or keep a job, too. And your drivers licence will be revoked. You can't read or anything. No more posting on the tao bums. You'll just sit there. Maybe, just maybe, you can still practice kunlun. I don't know. You'll have to ask Max.

I hear ya, man! This is a powerful practice, no doubt. It shouldn't be put in the hands of boneheads trying to get off on some natural high, and probably shouldn't be practiced without also practicing kunlun. I'm taking it real slow with this practice, about five minutes at a time. The way Max described it, you should be very calm and relaxed, and feel the cool, misty energy moving. I only do it every other breath. I feel the energy move thru a very thin pathway, very gently and slowly. The image of a single rain drop on a window, slowly sliding down, comes to mind. I think if people follow Max's directions and use some common sense, there shouldn't be too many casualties. There are always going to be exceptions, like yourself, when doing energy practices. Especially in the head. For me, the closing procedure for the Red Phoenix seems more important than for Kunlun. I also suspect some people will bring in way too much energy from outside their head, either from a misunderstanding of the practice or unintentionally. So, you're right, proceeding with caution is necessary, but I wouldn't go so far as to call Max irresponsible for teaching it.

For me, the seminar was just right. If they teach too little, people will feel cheated and they will stop showing up. It's difficult to teach this kind of thing because people are at different levels of understanding and have different motivations for learning kunlun. Everyone can make their own personal adjustments after the seminar. Max has taught these practices to many, many people and I'm sure he's received a lot of feedback. I don't understand all of the "second guessing" going on here. As for the Red Phoenix, I don't have a problem with it being taught right away. It seems like a variation of a very old practice that has been taught openly for a long time. And again, don't you think Max would know, with all of his knowledge and experience, if this practice is too "dangerous" to teach openly? Imagine hiking around Wudang shan in ancient China when you stumble across an old Taoist Master, with obvious abilities, who promises to teach you a powerful secret qigong technique. So he teaches you and afterwards you say something like;"Ya know, Mr. Master Sir, I think if you would cut that part out, and add a little more of this..." C'mon! Vortex; well said!

Terence McKenna on meditation and hallucinogens meditation and hallucinogens/you tube

what if someone received the initiation/transmission in a past life?

I felt it too! I'm in marin county. I was reading this forum when it happened. Whole lotta shakin' goin on!

Max taught it at the kunlun seminar. You stand on your toes with your heels touching and your hands over head in a particular mudra while activating the kunlun energy. He said the Taoists used it to run 200 miles in a night. This ability is also mentioned in Opening The Dragon Gate.

My understanding of Taoism improved a great deal from studying the works of Sri Aurobindo. And he is one of the greatest masters of the english language, also.

I really like Jeffrey Thompson's cd's. neuroacoustic.com

I think he turned 47. The website says,"...in 1966, at the age of six..."

Someone mentioned they were going to see this guy. How was it?

I stumbled across this website yesterday. What can you tell us about this guy's book, top-hat? Anybody?

I agree! It's not clear in my post, but this didn't happen while practicing kunlun. It happen shortly after I had gone to bed. Also, there was a pulsing energy, or else it was a single drumbeat. I couldn't tell! Yeah. Experiences don't mean a whole lot unless they change you in some way.

Mother Meera has visited the U.S. the last two years. My brother and his wife went to see her in L.A. a few months back. He said it was beautiful. She said it was life changing.

I'm wandering what Max had to say about the cool down period, at the other seminars. I was at the SF seminar and he really didn't say much about it. It even seemed a little hurried in my opinion. He only mentioned bringing the energy down to your belly and yet, in the book, he says it is the most important part of the practice. Sup wit dat? G

I just found that site a couple of days ago. Not bad music!

The spirit travel practice uses a certain mudra with the pinky fingers extended, while sitting or laying down, and then you concentrate on the tips of pinkies. You can hold your arms in two different positions. Another way, the faster way, is to also raise your heals off the ground and "look" thru your wisdom eye at the tips of your little fingers.

Bill Rand was my reiki teacher way back in '89' I believe.

You make it difficult to know where you're coming from, or even what you are asking exactly. His experience with practicing what Max is teaching? Sorry if i misunderstood your previous posts.

Talk about wearying posts... Sounds like you're trying to start some shit. Max has lead an interesting life and I want to hear all about it. Max isn't going to post here, so Chris is the next best thing. Why is that a problem? Just don't click on the topics with the words Lama Dorje, Kunlun, or Max Christensen and it will be like it doesn't even exist. It's that simple.

I'm beginning to think I went to a different seminar.

I just got back from the SF seminar. LOVED IT! I'm already thinking about going to an L.A. seminar. Hundun, you left too early, brother. We learned how to travel out of the body and meet other teachers and masters, how to run really fast, and how to test if we are grounded enough. Yesterday I felt like the earth was shakin', and today I feel light as a feather. It's a very laid back atmosphere and everyone was really nice. Max is real easy going and open to answering everyone's questions. It was great to meet Chris, he's got some strong energy! The mighty Kan is way cool. Poor guy got thrown against the wall at least a few times. And Lilli, who I exchanged emails with quite a few times trying to get the seminar organized, was very nice and friendly. And Richard, who had a smile on his face the entire time, is a great guy. Not to mention our Tao bum brother, Todd. We learned a great set of standing postures to improve the health of each of the organ systems. The first day we held all the postures for five minutes. I worked up a sweat like I just ran 10 miles! Great workout. The Kunlun practice, of course. Many had some kind of opening today. Lots of laughter, yelping, a few screams, some yelling. One woman spoke in tongues a little bit. And Red Phoenix. A more passive practice where you feel energy moving between two points in your head. Everything was geared towards awakening on a spiritual level. Max has a lot of energy, couldn't be friendlier, and seems to really enjoy sharing his knowledge and experience with others. I could listen to him speak for days on end. Here's a helpful hint; during break times, don't wander away for too long. Some of the most interesting things Max said were during the breaks when he walks around talking to people, answering questions. As for Max's abilities, I believe they are real. You'll see him demonstrate on Kan, and Mari if she's there. It's as if a bolt of lightening is passing thru their bodies. One more thing. If you want a one on one session with Max, sign up as soon as possible. I, unfortunately, waited till saturday to make an appointment and his schedule was already full. Kan and Richard also do healing work on a donation basis. And Diana does energy field clearing on a sliding scale basis. Gordon