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I would ask him about his knowledge[abilities too] of Yan Xin since they studied with the same teacher. Also ask him his impression of John Chang and his abilities and if he is familiar with other high level cultivators. Sean Denty showed the Chang vid.. to Wang Liping and Lipng reportedly said ''His energy cultivation is high but not his enlightenment'' Whatever that means.

Is this chi or a spirit? http://www.google.com/imgres?imgurl=http://www.martialdevelopment.com/wordpress/wp-content/images/john-chang-magus-java.jpg&imgrefurl=http://www.martialdevelopment.com/blog/tag/mo-pai/&h=239&w=150&sz=7&tbnid=Nn_lTwFMI9bwqM:&tbnh=109&tbnw=68&prev=/images%3Fq%3Djohn%2Bchang&hl=en&usg=__BEzWzJECppYgW4YSBWAlFW0T6dA=&ei=LgLZS8qlD4_aNvj8uY4K&sa=X&oi=image_result&resnum=11&ct=image&ved=0CC4Q9QEwCg

Anyone know the technique? Peng teaches this at his week long seminars, Silva mind control also teaches this technique. Both utilize sword fingers and point at the top of the glass of wine or water. Yan Xin has also performed this technique on occasion...it'd be nice to have it in the repertoire.

Hi! Just wondering if any bums met this fellow before he passed, he had the ability to heal by metaphysical means. Lightening would shoot out of his hands during healings, in fact, Dr. Wanye Dyer mentions old scars being healed over due to a session. Reportedly this man's father was preacher with an interest in metaphysics and when Mauricio was 19 balls of light would appear telling him it is time to heal. They disappeared for awhile then reappeared to strong to ignore,once several lights came down onto his chest saying:''I'm am Enoch, I'm am God''! and he was marked with Star [maybe several] on his body...maybe chakra points definitely his stomach area. Oh well, any thoughts? http://www.amazon.com/Man-Light-Extraordinary-Mauricio-Panisset/dp/1590790138

Ok, guys...here is the story from Dr. Dyer's book-short passage- http://books.google.com/books?id=qKGtuqvUhN8C&pg=PA74&lpg=PA74&dq=experiences+with+++++++++Mauricio+Panisset&source=bl&ots=t0sTYNRwmI&sig=UYFYiBj9Coy_ynnS9Kgt3Ihh0xw&hl=en&ei=mawrTIixAd_mnQeXn7TBCQ&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=10&ved=0CDUQ6AEwCQ http://books.google.com/books?id=qKGtuqvUhN8C&pg=PA74&lpg=PA74&dq=experiences+with+++++++++Mauricio+Panisset&source=bl&ots=t0sTYNRwmI&sig=UYFYiBj9Coy_ynnS9Kgt3Ihh0xw&hl=en&ei=mawrTIixAd_mnQeXn7TBCQ&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=10&ved=0CDUQ6AEwCQ

Any new info from any bums about him? Or having trained with him?

One patient of Wan Sujian mentioned feeling 'a kind of vibrating warmth, a bit like electricity'-this from non-contact treatment (both John Chang and Robert Peng use physical contact). That's interesting a mo pai insider who visited the old clinic said pyrogenesis is easier[develops earlier] than electrogenesis also that Chang can shoot an energy blast and kill someone from ten yards away! Interesting stuff.

Santiago tells of his teacher Pak Muhammad ability to absorb electricity into his body. Sean Denty told of a teacher absorbing electricity into the body to use it later for martial purposes. He said some of China's military is being trained in this. Recently a student of longmen pai said you can absorb earth energy and practice peng [tree qi-gung to open the arm meridians]qi-gung eventually dispensing an electric charge.

I've noticed when I release my essence I'm not quite as motivated [testosterone]but sometimes relieved by emitting. Yet in most esoteric systems jing conservation is so very important, whether hard kung fu or longevity schools [even five tibetan rites,six rite] jing is elevated as almost the ''elixir''.The American boxer Muhammad Ali sometimes wouldn't have sex for four months before a fight ,believing it helped him. I know it's been referenced as the densest part of chi-life force...any thoughts?,insights? Oh, I've heard[probably incorrect]from one bum that a lot of stem cells come from sperm. I guest I should go check [google]that now.

or saying that you waste jing (only) during sex isn't really accurate. This is interesting...those who know won't say and most of us have indefinite feelings[ideas] regarding the matter. Those in the know are well aware how important jing conservation is...just ask Yan Xin, Wang Liping, or John Chang. I was wondering about its effect on aging or staying youthful though.

Hi! Many bums have created a topic post with all the Sean Denty, mo-pai posts, well, here is something I found awhile ago. I have not seen it in our archives but it should be preserved for historical reasons. The student of John Chang speaks out many times giving his opinion on many matters. A certain taobum appears as well. Right or wrong, here is a man who has first hand knowledge. It is already in the public domain so no secrets are revealed, yet for those with eyes to see and ears to hear insights can be gleaned.Enjoy! http://www.cyberkwoon.com/forum/viewtopic....highlight=mopai

Hi! Mal and a few others have used foot chi machines I believe but I'm wondering if anyone has experienced actual chi machines developed in China with that frequency of 7.5.Or something like this? http://www.xtrememind.com/RAD2400.htm Chi machines were mentioned on dvd dealing with Wuji qi-gung-Ya Mu any thoughts?

Also what about the aging claim? Do you guys think people who engage in unbalanced sex age faster? We know what alcohol consumption can do to the skin and body.

his begs another question. If those "masters" of their arts (whether martial arts or simple spiritual cultivation) are so accomplished - which means they have great will power - then why can't they eliminate their addiction? 0 * + * - You will only find perfection in the eyes of a child. I'm a student of hypnosis and at one teaching Kenrick Cleaveland said: ''people will say if hypnosis is so effective why isn't your life perfect? They will look for any area of imperfection to cast stones'' Having powers doesn't mean that person is somehow ultra enlightened or perfect. It's possible to not have powers and be almost perfect and it's possible to have powers and be very carnal. If you are complete but poor modern man will judge you for being poor.Everything is relative to the standard you are using. We are imperfect creatures in an imperfect world.

Yes...but it doesn't always bother me ,when siting next to an electrical outlet I can feel something slivering over me-sometimes. Electric[insects] ants it's called in some works.

In a way this conversation on empowerments is fascinating especially since it reminds me of previous battles bums have had with each other. Remember Sean Denty's claim about creating the dantien and saying Chang really didn't have one or such. Also there was a big hub about how much he was charging over creating and filling the dantien[ten thousand] then Santiago got involved saying he was full of shit and overcharging people! Then Denty explained the true value of ancient teachings,empowerments, masters and was basically crucified for his exclusivity. Well here we have a similar situation with one camp saying it's all self effort and tap into the source and another saying it's beyond mortal ken.Who can say...I do know not all religions,ways,paths are equal or true. Those who champion the it's all beyond mortal ken camp are saying this is different because it is real.Which is what Denty said,but the mo pai people are saying, no! this is real! The liberal people are saying the universe is more liberal than that, while generally they can't manifest the so-called powers of their system. We are all so hungry for truth-true teachings!

Amazing! Light body skill!

Yeah, Laurence Blair the reporter from the Ring of Fire film said his chi felt like Chang's. He comes out of a shaolin tradition and the process he underwent[to unite the yin/yang gong] seems to be amazing.In public he won't talk about too many metaphysical things or he plays them down. Yet informally [according to one bum who attended a seminar] he'll talk about levitation and absorbing the lighting, changing bone structure to become someone else.

Also, what exactly are they referring to by "light body?" Some sort of jalus? It's this and also that part where the man steps on the paper that's incredibly thin om Ripley's believe it or not special. Here is a man pulling a car while walking on eggs.

Many newbies want a route to siddhis well here is a man who demonstrates empty force on a regular basis. In fact when John Chang went on his retreat J.C. first westerner student went looking at different teachers and encountered Paul Dong. He couldn't knock him[Dong couldn't] over but he did feel his chi pushing his aside which made him instantly ill. Later Chang revealed to his student that his yin prevented him from doing what he said he could. Of course, you can't compare him to neigong but he is genuine and humble. The second vid. is a basic instruction on his core movements.Pay attention to his instructions regarding the hands newbies.I possess a vid. from the white cloud taoist temple[or in association with it]on empty force and the movements/postures are very similar.Enjoy.Each one, teach one! http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&cd=1&ved=0CBoQtwIwAA&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.youtube.com%2Fwatch%3Fv%3DH0fetyVx-YY&ei=75cXTMC3HcLsnQfW773CCg&usg=AFQjCNFGuKgM-6d4Bv-tIjfSXvFTuvmdSg http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&cd=11&ved=0CEIQFjAK&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.archive.org%2Fdetails%2FMariaMonetCruzEnergyHealingVideowithMasterPaulDong&ei=75cXTMC3HcLsnQfW773CCg&usg=AFQjCNGrZ_dsyP3Mm5mfOKbY3JkAcgk5vg

Well some say incorrect level three doesn't kill people but maybe level four but still...

I debated whether to put this up or not but maybe it can be informative. Guys, this is a copy a got from mopai yahoo forum : (this copy's origin is from a post in wenwukuan forum) A guy who wrote this copy added some notes with this mark (*) : I added this copy with this mark (>>): ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Do you by chance have a copy of some of the posts at the Wenwukuan forum? How long was the forum up and can you remember anything else Kostas cited from the Mo-Pai text? Were there any other interesting facts or revelations that were discussed there but have not been mentioned in the books or at CK?< Mostly it was re-itteration of points mentioned in the book but other thing of interest that did come up including the following information. Some i took as notes, others i cut and pasted and have put these here so others may have a better understanding of why the mo-pai may be making the choices they are + references to other practitioners and risks. Direct information from the site i have put in quotation marks. 1.alcohol, coffee and cigaretts do not affect training... anything goes so long as it does not damage your nervous system, enjoy. 2.The 'Light Body' ability that occurs naturally as a part of nei kung training had been achieved by a friend of kostas named Lee, who is a Korean martial arts master and demos it routinely. I think he is the one mentioned in the book so his nei kung is from a school other than John's. He is a low level but he he can break 4 by 4's while maintaining his 'light body'. He was able to do this as he grasped the secret of light body well before he would of developed it naturally in the mo pai system. 3.The levels are not set in concrete for abilities, they are merely a guide and it is different for everyone. This is why they are so selective and careful in their training. Also different people will develope different abilities though some are universal. 4.Striking a person with your yang qi has the same affect whether you have yin (to project) or not, the only difference is the strength of your yang. Even making love is dangerious at level 2. 5."A health-related program like Chen tai chi can keep you alert and well. Wu style might even be better at that than Chen, if the late Mae Yue Liang and the still ornery Wang Peisheng are any example. But MoPai neikung is not health oriented." *I am not sure if it was in the book or forum but it was mentioned this training can lead to an earlier death as you are altering your energy from health uses to martial power so you have less sustaining your body. This is why you should not train too hard. 6.Mo-pai nei kung is very similear to Tibetan gTummo yoga "The best book I have seen written from the Tibetan standpoint is Clear Light of Bliss. You can find it on Amazon. Many practitioners of Tibetan Yoga have written to me saying: "hey, what you describe is exactly like the completion stages in XYZ." Duh. Human beings have two arms and two legs. Go figure." 7.60% of the people attempting level 3 have died "The people who have died or been injured have suffered from strokes, heart attacks, and kidney failure" 8."It's not a problem at all, in fact it is desired, to combine meditation with kinetic training. This is the reason that we recommend a practice such as tai-chi with a qualified teacher to all who have an interest in neikung. I would say that you are very much on the right track. What we have seen in practice is that people who follow such regimes will normally, in the course of five years, reach about 70% of Level One, which is wonderful." >>I've met a young man who could reach level 2 for only 3 years of training 9."One of the foremost living masters of neikung in China is a woman, Yang Meijun. She is the head of a Kunlun Qi gong and martial arts school, best known for her instruction of the Wild Goose style, which is part of the body of knowledge she possesses." 10."The main concepts in the MoPai are universality (do onto others), universal justice (not revenge - I have been awed by how my master lets karma take its course without interceding, and have tried to follow his example), submission to the Will of Heaven, freedom from material possessions (Liao Sijo literally did not have a pot to piss in, when he could have had anything and everything he wanted)."

Sounds good!

As long as you don't call it mo pai and it's your system why not?

To reveal techniques they don't want revealed to the mass public. Also according to some it can be dangerous...especially in unscrupulous hands.The martial aspect.