Wayfarer64

I am sad to read this! - It is grossly unfair to wolves who have never been known to attack people in the manner indicated! But the message is fine - act according to yr own nature and you cause no offense!

Reflect on what does make you happy. Meditate on ways that may have possible entries into the realm of that happiness... Open yourself to the possibility of change- big or little, if yr environment offers more conflict than repose; look to change yr venue!- Take yr act on the road and find the place you belong in this world! Love to all-Pat

The more I read of Krishnamurti- the better I like what he said! His take- " Let us examine how we have created religions and in what manner we are enslaved to them. If you deeply examine them as they are, you will see that they are nothing but the vested interest of organized belief- holding, seperating, and exploiting man." Sounds like truth to me!- Love to all- Pat

Thanks for those thoughts Josh... I agree it is the doing or the path- the search...Harmony is achieved in living Harmoniously the doing becomes the being.

It all seems to have been said here already!- So I'll just agree with the several notions stated above... Staying in the moment is the whole essence of how I relate to Taoism... experiencing the changes. Living deeply and fully all the time... It may have been hang-overs... that awoke the momentary aspect of living for me many (40) years ago... I was deeply intently aware of every fiber of my being, but it was not pleasant- it took another several years to be as aware in the everyday mundane activities... and now everything remains pleasant... I just do what I need to do as needs arise... Soon I will need to do very little in deed...

Sun rays excite them Ray Charles mellows them out River Charles Flows!

Is MJ Toast? Just gimme ol' blue eyes for pop idoling... the rest are all fakers!

Here is one of my favorite spots near by where I live...

Your dogma chased my karma all the way down the block. I think a tooth was left in my right rear tire...

I lectured on Adat - the Indonesion system of respecting many diverse religious/spiritual belief systems under one centralized ( Javan/Islamic) government...Buddhism did not come up - the Indonesians have not had large Buddhist populations for many centuries- tho- Borobudor/ Prambanan are wonderful... Borobudor being one of the largest "Buddhist" temple sites on earth - I have known so many scoundrals who claim to be "Good Christians" and "Good Buddhists " - or Muslems etc etc... the odds are pretty good the one who claims to be a better sort of bloke - will usually turn out to be the most dangerous- and such hubris and arrogance should be exposed & thwarted early on in my experience... The attitude of Buddhists towards their own awareness always seems to be in the "holier than thou" realm of sharing... I have little respect for Christianity or Buddhism or Islam. I see them as each being allowers of very bad behaviors in their followers. Judaism as well- there is always some sort of out - some sort of merit system where in mis deeds can be forgiven...bought off as it were...and such was true under Taoist tyrants as well- To name something as being other than what it is in its entirety does a dis-service... Part of what Buddhism is is as I expressed it because it already has been manifested in reality! Do you think that the victems at Nanking thought the Japanese were being "good Buddhists" as they raped and pillaged? You may argue that it was the Shinto influence that allowed such moral lapses... I think not. Every religion and any other sort of ism has been a dangerous tool in evil mens hands - Buddhism is no different... The start of the danger arises in the hubris exhibited in the title of this thread. In my opinion. Also do not presume to call me yr friend. I choose my friends very carefully.

you presume foolishly... I have lectured at Princeton University about topics we discuss here. If you think wiki is the way to go- thats great it'll save yr folks a bundle in real education... That you do not agree with my take on Buddhism is fine with me - that you claim it is wrong because you do not see it that way is just sad. The religiosity of this nonsense is bothersome. Meditate and awaken - there is nothing else required of you if you claim to be a seeker, then seek - the journey is only within you - reading will do little to help most of us...

1st- Not strictly anything -(thanks Sean!)... but why come to be disparaging? 2nd Timing is everything! it sure has changed...almost 40,000 folks on board in one way or another, so there is one heck of a lot more to wade through now...I get riled by it obviously... still it remains a great source of extended contact with many many wonderful folks... love to all- Pat

Its morning sickness Rebirthing nocturnal joys Without emission...

Yr right - but the whole article taken together was a bit much... & of course the poles will shift again and of course the changes we may experience will be unsettling on many levels... but if there is a cosmic unity to this universe that binds us all together- call it the Tao or go Jedi & call it the Force... then this planets distruction would be a very "un-natural" occurance, as that oneness, if it has a consciousness... would really need to be pissed off to foment such activities... But then our spiritual beings may just be ripe for "plucking" by malevilant forces... SO... whatever the extrapolation of beliefs may intail... if the spirit and the material no longer offer human life on this planet - I for one will take it as a great loss?!- Love to All!-Pat

Doesn't PRAVDA mean 'Truth"? Yikes every new-age speculation is in this one, interestingly amusing...

Wow... a Buddhist being a tuff guy! Not an apt challange but at least it was fiesty! So rare (and happy) a glimps at a deep & loving nature so well evolved as to cast aspersions about Taoism on a Taoist site and blithely continue in ardent rudeness... What a relief to find a deeply human and unrealized voice of hostility claiming to be on the Buddist path- we get them all here...

Unforunatly there are also socio/psycho-paths who do not... They use an us/them system... Hell yes listen to yr rythms and feel yr pulses... then remember there is no right/wrong only yr conscience and yr circumstances...

I see the greatest difference between Taoist ideas & Buddhist ideas is that Taoists do not insist on a good/bad ruling on everything under the sun... everything under the sun is warmed by the sun and takes its nurishment from the earth...As well as the sun Our idea of oneness is quite different from Buddhists... whose Nervanic oneness is without being. Being is to be discarded by Buddhists as a horror... Taoists realize it is the greatest gift ever besowed on spiritual beings of light... (which we all are in fact-I promise!!!) Life scares Buddhists and repels them - for Taoists it is just the stuff of life that drives us to explore the realms of being we may encounter on these levels... To transcend them yes- but not to disparage! Buddhism was founded by a spoiled rich kid who was shocked and terrified by the ills of the world which he had been previously kept ignorant of... It is no surprise that he was all about catagorizing experience and levels of being as good & bad because of some esoteric value system... Karma Artha Dharma - we Taoists see these differentiations and say they are still all one and the same in fact, and not to be valued as less or more because of there inherent place in the universe is only relative to circumstances... There really is no up and down...

And many thanks to you as well!- I'd lost track of the source of that tract... And yes intent is important - and part of that intent is having fun - if yr a healthy person - Sharing erotic bliss is a blessing, clearly ! Taoist sexual practices have lots of aspects, Prolonging the act is easy enough to learn, and the getting there clears yr channels and yr mind and yr heart... It helps the sharing aspects and creates an experience of many levels way beyond the erotic, as fun as that may be!!! And if ya do eventually ejaculate - thats ok too! it will clear yr sinuses as well

Weeps dew drops, and yet-- Turgidity offers' zip Life springs eternal!

Taoist tract... A person's approach to sexuality is a sign of his level of evolution. Unevolved persons practice ordinary sexual intercourse. Placing all emphasis upon the sexual organs, they neglect the body's other organs and systems. Whatever physical energy is accumulated is summarily discharged, and the subtle energies are similarly dissipated and distorted. It is a great backward leap. For those who aspire to the higher realms of living, there is angelic dual cultivation. Because every portion of the body, mind and spirit yearns for the integration of yin and yang, angelic intercourse is led by the spirit rather than the sexual organs. Where ordinary intercourse is effortfull, angelic cultivation is calm, relaxed, quiet and natural. Where ordinary intercourse unites sex organs with sex organs, angelic cultivation unites spirit with spirit mind with mind and every cell of the body with every cell of the other body Culminating not in dissolution but in integration, it is an opportunity for a man and woman to mutually transform and uplift each other into the realm of bliss and wholeness. The sacred ways of angelic intercourse are taught only by one who has himself achieved total energy integreation, and taught only to student who follow the integral way with profound devotion, seeking to purify and pacify the entire world along with their own being However, if your virtue is especially radiant, it can be possible to open a pathway to the subtle realm and receive these celestial teachings directly from the immortals

Taoism is a deeply political philosophy on some levels - Much of what the YiJing has to offer is often given as sage advice to rulers...

Great description there buddy!- & the laughing thing is something I have always wondered about- many gals have asked me what was up with that