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Thank for turning me on to this -I'm going to spend some time with.

Point taken.... (edited - actually no, I was taught a work ethic - it was my choice not to listen... so, no blaming the parents - thats a cheap way out which is ussually spoated by people with out kids who are irritated by other peoples kids) So here a a question to ponder. Is there no hope for the lazy? If taosit training can be helpful for emotional balance, physical balance - can aid in healing - then perhaps labelling a person "lazy" (and thus maybe a little less worthy then the effortfull) is a form of prejudice if the ailment which is seeking balance is "laziness". Are we being bigots?

I started working with my Dad on weekends when I was thirteen (without pay) and at 15 - a couple evenings and weekends(for pay). Worked in a bakery at the same time - when I was a little older I was a Champion kickboxer tournament competitor (started Kenpo Karate at 11 and began seriously competing at 15) and worked out from around 4;30-9:30 3 nights a week, and 2 hours of stretching and running every morning - did that for years. My day would start at 5am - run - sit-ups(2 sets of 300), push-ups(2 sets of 100), shower - do homework - ride my bike to school. - school - bakery from 3:30-4:30, ride to the dojo to open and get ready for clases which started at 5 (gave me about 20 minutes t do some more strretching) - Teach the beginner class, workout in the advance class - 1 hour free sparing- ride home to be there by 10 (and hit the sack unless I had lots of homework - which ussually didn't get done).... on the off nights I would ride from the bakery to whatever construction site my dad was working at and work with him until around 7 and catch a ride home... Inspite of all of that routine and discipline my Father gave me (and allowed me) the value of "work" (not effort - but of earning a living) never sunk in until way later. If I didn't want to do something - I just didn't do it! One thing that the internet does provide - not the essence of a teaching, but perhaps the essence of a teacher... if I had say the exposure we have hear - I would have chosen or been able to choose differently than I had... example - I find (not blowing smoke) your style or Hundun's to fit better for me (from what I can see here) than some of the teachers I had spent time with (who I don't really consider to be "teachers" now after some experience)... with some of the ones which did have something to offer with substance their goals, I gues you could say, or mixed ideology was not something I would have been interested in if I knew about it up front (in fact I would have stayed away).

I agree with you, but I would be careful about blaming the parents (I take it you are not one?). Remember it is Nature AND Nurture that makes up our personality. My lack of work ethic in days gone past was definately not due to a lack of effort from my folks (specifically my old man). It was something that just couldn't get through my stuborn and thick head until I was a bit older than most.

I would like to point out the fact that the digital world of today became mainstream and part of our current culture because of 40 year olds like myself who embraced and found a way to tame this beast.... I would say we older folk are the natives (we don't need anymore ageism re:digital life than what has already carried over to today from our younger days when the old folks to us were not digitized yet)

So followed through some of the links off of the videos - interesting. But where it losses me is when it starts to resemble numerology. Reason... as soon as you begin adding up the digits of a number, the numbers stop corresponding to anything real, the relationship of one number to another breaks down. As soon as this correspondence is broken then you can make it mean anything (because it stops being anything specific)... Example: if I have 8 nuts and 9 washers and group these together then I have 17 items (the relationship of quantity is preserved) - not 8 items (the relationship of quantity is not preserved).... I build flight controllers and wind outrunners as part of my hobby and it seems to me - regardless of the shape or pattern of a coil - as long as it is looped and running a charge - it will spin the neo. I'd like to seem some numbers from ohms, Amps, Volts, to windings and reverse engineer to see if this number theory would predict the output of a regular motor - then apply that backwards again to one of the other coil designs - I would say there would be little difference between them - with the exception that a fancy coils would be less efficient... not convinced but willing to explore... very kewl.

Thanks! I will have to pick some up! Have you built any of those contraptions?

At the moment I've been at home with a fairly bad stomach virus - and have passed more than a few rodin coils through my cathode!

Problem with anodes is they pretend to be positive (when we all know they are negative). LMFAO

Yes, I think I'll call a draw as I N-eed an N-fold as much as I N-eed a whole in my head!

LOL - I can't read wikipedia that fast ARGH!

I bet you n-fold your laundry... oh you square, considering the 2 pies in your length.

You know he's more than just a big red dog! YOU'RE MOUNT MERU! (...center of the universe! or always "almost there")

I hear 3 dimensions is a bit of a stretch for you though. Some would just say scary or kind of in to it or... ah forget it

oh you 2 dimensional representation of 4 dimensions! Clifford Torus

I guess it would! how torush! may I call you Clifford?

Things that make me go "ick"!

Be a good symbol for the self-absorbed (I guess that would be too literal).

Looks like an interesting movie.

LOL - well then I rescind my offer!

I made the offer there, before it was shut down and will make it here too. If you guys want a private forum of your own I can provide that for you. I can set it up and host it but I have no interest in moderating and, like the last one, would most likely not participate. But the offer does stand. Just make sure there are no issues with the "organization". The last time I helped out one of Max's students online - he seriously screwed me.

I feel for you sir. I can't say I can offer any wise words to help you on your path. I would like to offer the following to do in the mean time. It will sound odd and has nothing to do with the details of the challenges a head of you but I truly believe this will help. Get regular sleep - don't let your sleep pattern start to shift later and later into the night. Eat well - even if it is just taking multi-vitamins. Get physical - as much as you are comfortable doing. These will at least remove the physical effects of the long term stress you've been under. You might find after even just a week or two of some physical excercise and stretching, that your outlook begins to shift even just alittle - (remember a candle lit in a dark room cuts through the all the darkness effortlessly, regardless of how small the flame is). Maybe chat with your folks about how you feel - reality test the foundation of that regret. My bet is - they are more concerned for your happines than seeing the investment being fruitful... this could at least get that one thing off of your back (and mind). Shanu

I think a misconception in our culture (western) is that feeling good about yourself is good esteem. So we pander after our kids making sure they never feel badly... IMO self-esteem is born of accomplishment. The more a child knows how to do things for themself the more trust in their own ability they have and that self-knowledge leads to proper esteem. Let's face it children's esteem are pretty flawless. They believe they can do anything because they have no concept of what it takes... then later in life they hold onto the idea of "I can be president" while skipping school etc.... because they have been taught to disconnect ability from reality, all in the name of good self-esteem.

I agree with this... I come from a long line of military folk (I'm the first in 5 generations to not join the service ) so was raised with the default to respect your elders... I think sometimes respect is shown in different methods which is not always understood and IMO that changes from generation to generation. I find this to be a Canadian thing - however other Canadians might disagree.... Canadians are known to be very polite and apologetic. This is sometimes seen as a weakness however it is born more out of ease rather than "respect". If you step on my toe I will say "Opps sorry" for being in your way. However it is more like saying - this situation (or "you") is not worth the trouble to make a stance against (or for).... but as you get to know us... as you become important to a Canuck, we will be increasingly more out spoken, even in your face at times. It’s because you are now important enough to make a stance for or against.... so it appears to be disrespectful it is actually one of the higher forms of respect we show. I remember when I began learning from one teacher - I was very young - it was an Asian method - but I had no idea of the origins of the method or the teacher's background, I had never been involved in Asian methods before etc.. I had begun the studies long distance and then after some time had the chance to meet the teacher face to face. When we met, I, at least thought, I was being respectful. I shook his hand. I was not being casual or too friendly with him, was only speaking when spoken too etc. He stood there for a long time looking at me. Until he finally said "I am waiting for you to bow to me". I did so and apologized. I think this is an example that sometimes how we are being respectful and what is expected as respect can be very different things. In this case it was a cultural expectation for which I had no means on my own to know. I think the respect we can show the younger generations is to, at the very least, offer some listening and thought to decipher just what is being communicated to us. They might be showing it in a way that we would not normally consider respectful.