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This is not my understanding. This is similar to saying even the act of intent is a powerful act of the analytical mind. The Analytical mind decides to stop thinking and decides it want's to stop thinking and stop being in control so 'gives up' control to intent. Intent then focuses and points your energy or awareness in a certain direction which then decides it doesn't want to be in control any more and then 'gives up' and then 'you' are not in control anymore only your environment, everything around you and everything in the universe then guides you, or god. So along this thought you would have to say all contents of awareness as in your topic are also analytical. Because you don't even need the analytical -> intent -> god path you can go straight from analytical -> god. So when the analytical mind decides it wants to go with god it does. I don't agree. They are layers on top of each other and the top layers can only 'give up' their control to allow the deeper layers to reveal themselves. It is not within intent's capacity to have complete god awareness, just like it is not in the analytical minds capacity to have intentional awareness. Of course likewise the complete god awareness has no capacity to choose the best option for our life as does the analytical mind. With the god awareness you give what others around you want and take what is offered your way, there is no deciding based on the direction of your intent. Your awareness is just given to you, it just IS. So if you're using intent all the contents of awareness are intentional but if you give up any intent then how could the contents of your awareness be intentional... intent has already left the building!

I don't think so. A simple example of how there is awareness without intent is if you are typing on your computer and i sneak up behind you and slap you around the head. Now you are aware of the slap but you didn't use your intent at all, you used your intent to be aware of what you were typing (supposing you didn't hear me and knew nothing up until you felt the slap). What do you think? Another example, i can run and feel like i have no intent what so ever. Maybe there is a tiny part if i really analize it but at the time it feels like there is none. I just feel like running, i run at whatever speed my body wants to and watch it. I see myself just turn off my normal route, turn down streets and little alleys, cross over roads at specific, yet unconventional points, but no idea why it was at that particular point, but i giggle to myself and think what a good place to cross! I don't know where i'm going i just turn down streets willy nilly, like a magnet is pulling me that way. The more i follow it the more strongly it pulls me. Sure i have to use intent to bring my awareness back every now and then to look down and make sure i'm not going to trip over anything or run into anything but when i get back onto the path and the coast looks clear i can have no intent and just watch myself again. So i didn't have intent with this experience to direct my awareness, rather my awareness was attracted by what was new, the new scenery, the new places, the new feelings. I didn't use intent at all because i hadn't experienced any of it before so i wouldn't know where to put my awareness - rather it just flooded IN to me. I didn't even intend to see the new stuff my head just turned this way and that. Infact i had to use intent to make sure i didn't fall over and trip, but i wasn't using intent alot of the time.

What about different gods? My developing different centres or praying to different gods you can become an elite warrior with a close relationship with your awareness, become as compassionate as christ and forgive everyone, or have insight into the future. Isn't a god just a source of power? Or moreover, just a source?

How can you intellectually analize everything to doubt the things you do about enlightement? The intellectual mind cannot understand enlightenment, in fact all your analyzing to the extent you do it is giving you a worse understanding about what you are actually trying to comment about. All your reading from websites is actually making you dumber and more misled. I remember a time when you posted once, years ago, you read a book about smokers and then you claimed you knew all there was to know about why smokers can't stop smoking. You saw one persons opinion and your glass was full. Didn't you used to have the name HardyG?

Me thinks you are right. In the way you've described this enlightened state can be very great or nothing special at all. I think that these claims seem to be other people's claims about enlightenment that you have chosen to make your own. Why don't you forget what you've read or heard and stop comparing it with what you've experienced yourself. From most of the posts of yours i've read you definatly know what u're talking about so why seek approval from others?

Back in ancient times general people were not nearly as educated as now and it would be easy to trick people that you could do miracles. Moreover, surgically taking a heart out of 1 person and putting it another person could be classed as a miricle, especially in ancient times yet surgeons these days don't get a 'jesus' status. No doubt jesus was an exceptional person but im sure the story has been prettied up through hearsay and through 2000 years and multiple new versions of the bible. As to the samurai, i think everyone has their own opinion and everybody's opinion is correct in some way. All those religous wars were gods will. All the disasters, earthquakes and tidal waves that have happened recently were all god's will too. If god didn't will it, it wouldn't have happened I think the main thing i disagree with in what you say is I don't think there are any 'rules' anybody can do whatever they feel like, whenever they want. To think otherwise is silly. People should do what is in their heart, and just be aware of the rules but don't be guided by them.

I've read lots of your posts on here and you have excellent ideas. I have learnt many things from what you've said and regard what you say quiet highly as with gold is heavy (many others too). But when you say things like this it shows clearly you are not in an enlightened state... when you wrote this anyhow. Why do you need anyone to show you any facts or proof, you have your own brain think for yourself. When you can do that...only then will you see the light. As to what goldisheavy said with different types of monks... what type of monk i would be eg traveller, teacher, healer, etc... i would be a partyer. I would be the monk brewing the mead! =]

Thoughts and feelings aren't useless, but people who follow a buddhist path usually feel overburdened by their thoughts and emotions even to the point where they feel ill so thats why they follow this kind of path. So.. emotions and thoughts can become a cause of hardship, but i don't think this is a perfect buddhist world (i would't really know i'm not buddhist), i think the world is already perfect, people are going just as they are and just as they should be. Haha i have to say i can't stay in the light but i have definitely seen it and agree with what the others tell you. I had the same experiences as you for a long time after intense practice and had lots of questions the same as yours but then finally i understood. You are super close to seeing the light, infact the light is all around you but you are trying so hard to see it you can't, just stand back. You are starting to get frustrated because you're trying so hard to be enlightened and the more you try the further away you're getting until you finally just give up trying and then it will be there. ...requote - because it's good you know the fact. haha So why keep trying to match the understanding of your direct experiences with what you've read you think it's supposed to be like? You know you are right! You could be be, if you chose to. I can have no attachments and still be alive. Lots of monks are not enlightened they still follow their guru or teacher. Only when they wake up to their own light can they make their own decision. Apart from that even after they are elightened they can still commit atrocious acts on others, it's their own choice. Read a good parable on here one time about a samurai who didn't kill someone because it was his own thoughts and desires that wanted the death. He couldn't do it even though he wanted to because he said he was not a murderer. Even though he killed piles of people in his englightened state, that was gods doing. I agree with half of it, i just think the 'you' you are referring to is the dualistic you, not the god you. You can have happiness without sorrow. Happiness is not excitedness, it is just happiness yet it can still thrill you to the bone. YEP! Don't try to indoctrinate yourself more or seek agreeance from others, just know what you've said is right!

I agree, but... When you tell a story everything seems better than it did at the actual time. If Jesus was seen as such a wonder back in the year 0 AD then nobody would have killed him. And the amount of people that actually met jesus would have been very few compaired to the people that heard about him. And so with hear say and chinese whispers things change alot and get better and better. So i don't think religions are true from the beginning. I think why spend time with scriptures when you can get direct revelation by quieting your own mind. ... And thats what we all are doing. It's probably possible. Lecter Livingstone rekons he didn't get a single feeling for a period of years and then started reading and watching the news so he could start to get feelings and thoughts again. I believe him. Yes i agree, but you can choose how you want to deal with those issues. Like you say you didn't like giving people your food, but you felt yourself tense up. So if this is one of your issues you were aware of the tension before you acted then you can choose to act how you want. I feel similar things about different issues like i start tensing after coding software and when i first feel it i can choose to stop. Unfortunately i don't always and then have to deal with how i feel after. I still have the ability to choose though now that i can feel the beginings of tension like you do. I still need to choose though, it's not until i totally give up everything to god that i don't have to choose anymore. It's not me any more, i don't care what happens to my body, it just does as it will and i am with god. So i think it is realistic although i can't do it all the time and i still have issues but i believe it is possible. The information is misleading but perhaps you are reading about it too much, looking for evidence for things. I do the same, but it doesn't help me any. I don't need to look, the answers to the questions are already there, i've read and experienced enough already, now it's best i just believe in what happens around me. And thats what i found is best. Not trying any more, not aiming for perfection or trying to be what you 'think' you want to be, just being as you are. Everything your trying to do is - not you. When i give up it is a bloody relief and whoopy doo its great Mind you i think trying is good too, but realising when you're good enough with what you've been trying to do then not trying any more and just letting it do it's self is great and i think it's the goal of cultivation.

See above link. It is what it is but you affect everyone else, and everybody affects you too. But i think all in all people don't have to worry about changing everyone else, just start with themselves first and when an opportunity appears to help someone else you have the choice to do so if you want.

Well meditation really can change the world that is for sure. In LA in america serveral people sat down and meditated for a couple of months or so and the crime rate dropped dramatically. When they stopped the crime rate returned to normal. They studied it and found that there was no other cause for the drop of crime rate other than the meditators. You can read about it here: http://istpp.org/crime_prevention/ So really all you need to do is be be happy as often as possible, and the easiest way to achieve that is awareness meditation. As soon as you begin your world will already appeared to have changed. So wasn't that easy. Then you can see the whole world becomming better and better by the day.

I think you sound like bruce lee trying to find a teacher to teach you how to do a basic punch. You know it all already, it's already been exposed to you in it's entirety. You have found the secret that others spend a long time seeking. You're trying to justify and explain your experiences when you already know this is the truth and you've already been at the destination. You know things that have happened in your life that have taken away these great feelings, and you know the things that have contributed to them. Now you walk the path as you choose. Lean towards the wonder of the tao or be trapped in the material things. Both are good but you can choose your path. Anyone that offers you any advice to do anything than what you really want to do is silly. You know both sides of the coin. For you to follow somebody else's advice would be silly because you have already been exposed to everything. Now it is ur time to choose and if you choose a midway place you can but don't make it because of someone else's advice, make it because of your own choice!

I'm not sure about it all. I won't have a vasectamy because i think it's un-natural and i don't know how it will effect me. I don't want to have another kid but this operation is kinda going overboard i think. Plus like if you want to ejaculate and get some energy out cos u've got too much energy can you still? I dunno?? Anyone here had one of these operations after cultivating and can tell me their story?

I think... if you feel like want to have sex, have sex, if you want to go to the toilet, go, and if you want to eat, eat! If you could be super healthy from not eating then wouldn't all those poor people in ethopia and that be super healthy? Bigu is the one practice i think is not a good idea. Your body takes in food air and water, and to limit any of these is when you are trying to heal is silly i think. I know you said you don't feel hungry and you don't want to eat but i would be careful with this.

Ok First thing... You are doing very well, i can tell you have spent a bit of time on it because you can explain what is happening very well and you have a good sense of what is happening. Now.. The answer for your questions - First the easy answer and best one. "Yes, yes, very good... keep practicing". Doing this will work. Now for the more detailed one. What happens when you go to a point and you don't feel much energy there is because that point needs energy. The energy goes into that point and through other meridians from that major point to the organs that need it. So when you get to a point and the energy dissapears or gets weaker its because the energy is needed there and it is used. If you try really hard and focus on the point and try to keep the energy brighter there you will prevent it from going through the point and to where it is needed inside, so don't do that. Now as to the best way to do it, as with kinesthetic intensity level as you call it is depending on what you are trying to achieve. If you want to have more chi in your body, more energy to use it as you choose, well then you increase the intensity and keep on increasing it. It gets stronger and stronger till you can't bare it any more. It will force open blocked channels and then finally all your channels will be open but you will still be concentrating on the energy, and so some channels will be blocked. If you want to get the full 'no thought', enlightenment experience then you finally have to give up that intenseness and have faith in your body's own intelligence to direct the energy where it feels fit. After all your body knows where the energy should go better than where you 'think' it should go. But the more and more intese your energy becomes, the more troublesome it becomes to guide it through the MCO, and so finally you just give up because you just want a rest and can't be bothered anymore and woohoo there you are - no think! And as to where to direct the energy, well when you begin it circulates at an outer level and flows smoothly and well, outside your body in the orbit. You can try to move it in more but it gets stuck, just keep it out where it goes smoothly. Slowly it will auto move in deeper and deeper. The thrusting channels will start opening up and moving with your MCO too automatically by themselves. In my opinion MCO is all that is requered. The macrocosmic orbit where you go out of your head to the universe and down thru ur feet to the earth is just unecessary, all that energy will be pulled in by it's self, just let it flow it when it want to. Oh, but on your problem points where the energy dissapears or gets stuck you can pull more energy from other points or outside energy to force these places to open up. But it's just the 2 sides to the practice. Either grab more and more energy and force open blockages and get some bad side effects or relax more so the energy can just go through there. Doing both at the same time is best, so relaxation makes it easier for the energy to go through and more energy makes it easier to go through too Just most important point i have to make is don't force it or try too hard, just let it happen. Don't try too hard doesn't mean dont' spend alot of time on it, you can spend lots of time just let it do it's self, not 'you' do it. After all you are trying to get rid of the 'you' so that then there can be the real you. Otherwise you are just reinforcing the ego you. Keep at it and let us know how you get on. So the general idea is to do the practices but dont try too hard to do anything like you've read it. Just do it and let it do it's own way and be patient.

Hmmm i think that those tablets are placebos. Placebos work. The reason they are expensive is so that you really feel that you have bought something very great and they have more effect. If they got tested by chemists and they found there to be no metals inside then there probably wasn't any metals in there to begin with. The guy who makes them gave the man some to give to other people, but he said you can only give them to people who specifically ask for these gold tablets, not just start handing them out. It's only cos people believe they really work and have heard about them, then they take them so they have more effect. In fact even a western sergery of removing something has a mental effect too. Those people who believe they are healed and will recover probably do. Those who are unsure probably less likely to recover. Just because a diseased part is removed doesn't mean the diseased mind won't continue to destroy the body. If you could cure the mind then the diseased body part could heal it's self. It's never to late, but the later the more difficult i believe. It's all in the mind. Practicing qigong is the best - it's free. Maybe more difficult and time consuming but it's good in the long run. You don't need anything to help you then, it's all on the inside. ...But it would be cool to be a shaman though.... i'd love to quit my job and just live in a hut in the jungle tripping on psychadellics all day, people paying me to give them some intense experience so that they get a flash of enlightenment. Ahhh i will try dream about it tonight

Can you feel any benefits? I'm interested to know bout this. I thought metals were bad for your body.

It seems you are really making progress. But you shouldn't force anything. I've had the same thing..feeling uncomfortable without thoughts and feelings. But you have to get yourself used to it, take your time. No thoughts and feelings is your destination if you want to continue along this path. Learn to act like you have feelings and thoughts. You need to be able to show this to others in civilization but you don't need to feel these yourself, just eternal love!

I think if it really seems real then it would be real? Then it is real? Reality is inside not outside.

I heard if you eat a raw cow heart fresh out of a cow it can massage your gums and teeth while it is still beating, and if you swallow it whole it will massage your whole digestive tract. Best if you tickle a cow under the hoof first to get it giggling and the heart pumping hard. Pretty powerful stuff!

Yep i agree. You have to let what you are cultivating the chance to take control. Otherwise pushing more and more power or chi into a channel you are intentionally blocking is going to hurt... something has to give I don't think you have to offer the love outwardly, you can use it for selfish purposes if you wanted. Like who's going to punish you? only yourself if you choose to. You can do anything you want with your energy it's your birthright! Just got to watch it doesn't come back to bite you in the bum! We've all seen what happens when people make wishes with aladins lamp!

Yep i think so too. Even though i've read withdrawing the senses too, i think it should be more of a binding of the senses. The 5 senses bind together so that none of them are seperate from any of the others and this thus becomes your experience - all as one. The end of duality

It's definately not boring. It's the opposite. It's something you can 'do' or try to do in every moment of your life. It makes life fun. But thats at a more advanced level. At the start just try to feel your emotions. You know love, kindness, anger, hate, gentleness, openess, sadness etc. Try to think of something that made you really angry. What REALLY pissed you off. Then just keep thinking about it, and thinking what the hell, how dare they do that. Keep spinning it around and around in your mind, get yourself all worked up. Then when you can feel that, double that feeling, and double it again. Keep doubling it untill you want to smash a hole in the wall. Feel the anger and the chi built up inside. You want to explode. Welcome to qigong Now you can't tell me you don't feel anything. Now you can do the same with kindness or love or any feeling at all. Anger is easy but it's not as fun being angery as feeling loved up. You know playing with my baby on the grass in summer, with the grass so green, the sky so blue and the clouds so wonderfully white, it is like unbeatable. Being in the moment is 100x better than watching the coolest scene of the coolest movie. The movie seems empty, the life experience is so rich.

When i put lots of energy in meridians around my eye my whole side of my face used to twitch. My eye, side of my mouth, quiet alot too. When i didn't concentrate on the area it went away though. 15 minutes is definately not extreme so i wouldn't recommend stopping practice. What is holding back testosterone? What do you mean? If you stopped practicing and it still happens maybe it's not related to your practice. You could always try holding the accupressure points around your eye especially on the meridian where it's twitching. Do this when it's twitching and it will probably stop. You can rub your eyes too. Put a hot towel on there. Make sure you're eating enough magnesium (green leafy vegetables) that relax muscle spazams. Also you say when you centre yourself it stops.... just try to keep yourself centred all the time. That is the goal of meditation after all, you can just jump to your phd year of meditation study straight from the start and miss out school inbetween

Can't agree with this. Embarrassing painful or difficult things are always the best for us? What the hell? Isn't that the goal of going with the tao so you don't have to experience this kind of stuff? None of those emotions are useful are they? how can they benefit you? Infact they cause you sickness and ill health. Why experience them when you don't have to? There are so may different good feelings you could be feeling instead!