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I don't know for sure but it sounds like an amphetamine comedown regardless of what it is your body is screwed up and totally out of balance. To me it sounds like what you're feeling is totally un-natural and you are on the way back foot of healing and just to get to where everybody else begins in their healing journey will be a great acheivement! Well... just trust in your body that in time it will return to a normalish state (depending on how much u've stuffed up ur body) which then you can begin your tao practices to begin healing. Just find shit to pass the time, download some tv series' which you like to watch and just pass the time ur body will heal by it'self as long as you eat enough fruit, veges and meat and not too much junk food and get enough sleep. Then you can begin ur journey as long as you don't poison your body again!

You know... i can tell you something legit that'll let you live 1/3 longer. Well that is depending on your current age. But it is scientifically proven, free and guarenteed to work. Just look up caloric restriction on google. It works on every animal. So normally if you could live to 80 1/3 is about 205 so 105 is a good ripe old age. And i rekon this lipwig fella has wasted at least 8 years of his life in "meditation" Now i've saved you 3k, years of time of meditation and i won't even charge you a thankyou!

3 days ago i became enlightened. I haven't told anybody yet but i didn't feel the need to. Now i just write here because i feel some may be interested as well as a chance to put my own thoughts down in writing. How it happened... Well it took about 6 years of qigong daily meditating, quiet alot each day as well kinda filling in every spare minute but my realisation came after reading a free ebook (Posted below). During reading i suddenly realized that i had already reached an enlightened state about a year earlier and more and more often since then, but i was always searching further... for more (although i did have a suspicion that i had reached an important milestone - i had only books to go by). Suddendly i realized i had been enlightened before and didn't know it. the search was over and full enlightenment was reached. The day after i spent about 50% of the day in a fully enlightened state. It became so easy. What happened... I realize my body is not me. My intelligence, ego and thoughts are gone. I am watching myself from the viewpoint of god, universal life or whatever it is called. Because you realise it isn't 'your' body and you aren't just living 'your' small life any more, you realise you are just one puppet of the 'real you' (god for lack of a better term) and my previous habbit of trying to excel, strive and stress over stuff seems rediculous. My mind is blank, not thinking and my awareness is everything that is delivered to me by my senses in their entirety, no filtering by my brain (but to my surprise no extra sensory or anything like that). Not concentrating on anything so nothing goes unnoticed. I got a strong sense of knowing because i did know, i experienced everything directly, it was right in front of my eyes - unfiltered by my brain. Seeing and feeling it right in front of me, not working it out - my brain was off. Thoughts on Meditation and Qigong... Now i really think meditating, visulisation, etc is useless to get enlightnement, it is only good for relaxing. But then again you need to relax to begin really doing energy work. Energy work or qigong can push all the blockages open so that even if your mind is not ready to enlighten it's self the energy will allow you to experience enlightenment through force. It is forceful (MCO i am talking about mainly). Qigong is useful because it improves your health and if you are healthy enlightenment is easier to realize. Qigong is keeping a little ego, enough to remember that your body is your most valuable possession and you cherish and nourish it - and good health is the ego's main desire. You keep that awareness of god while also having enough ego consiousness to direct that life force into your body for extraordinary healing. The improved health in turn allows a stronger connection to god benefiting in both directions. How it felt and my thoughts on enlightenment... I had no satisfaction in having realised my enlightenment, only a realisation feeling. Perhaps a little relieved that i didn't need to meditate so much, i was starting to get over it thinking i was wasting too much of my life in a trance. Now i can meditate any time i want while doing my favorite things, just be in the enlightened state. Now i can focus on my life more and what i want to really do with it with my proper unmodified and clear view of what is actually going on. There is no yearning or desire to do something. No looking forward to doing something - that "thank god it's friday" feeling is gone just the constant love feeling - But my ego misses that (i am not in an enlightened state 24/7). But it feels very peaceful, very playful and very fun. But to the ego it's very boring, unexciting and unfulfilling, Yet the ego can vanish and so you don't feel any of those things. Finally i have never played world of warcraft but have watched others. It feels like that. Like you have a little man and you can do whatever you want with him, except that man is my body and the one playing the game is god, whome now i am a part of. Surprises Although having experienced some clarevoyance or seemingly to me beforehand some extraordinary powers on my way to becomming enlightened there were none after being enlightened. There can not be any special powers without the ego for there is no need for them. I had read things that i would get everything after being enlightened, and i did in one way but in another way i didn't. I thought living in the now i could parry any blow but now i just realise i'm weak and i can't fight However i do know what to do so my body will be what i want it to be. My aches and pains are still here but spending more of my day in an enlightened state i can feel them healing while i'm doing any activity, not just while i'm in a trance. I'm sure they will be gone soon. Fastest way to get there... Be healthy, dont' eat too much or too little. Don't drink too much alcohol (i woulda got there much faster if i followed this one), Do exercise and learn TCM and find out what foods balance you, then you won't be fighting against your lifestyle in your qigong. If you have a good teacher he could make your progress 10x faster. I did most of it all from mantak chia's books but i made alot of mistakes along the way. Read the books i linked to below. They are very short but very good (10 pages or so). Not everything on his website i agree with but these books are good. Steps i think are... 1. quiet the mind, relax 2. do qigong exercise and have the "no think" become enlightened 3. Realise you are enlightned, stop searching 4. Bring the enlightened state into all your daily activities one by one. Soon you will bring it even into new activities automatically 5. Keep the ego in balanced check with the enlightened state and be able to switch between the two at will (what i am trying to do now) Books : 10 dirty secrets of getting enlightened this one is good too... 30 Second meditation

Do the 6 healing sounds. Then you can move while getting meditative results

learn healing sounds too. Thats probably the best practice there is. Very quiet effect and very powerful. Healing sounds are free TCM.

Some replies.. Yeah you should just try keep that feeling as long and as much as possible. Now you know thats what it is and you don't have to try to go any further you'll find it so much easier! Well i had a few beers last night and woke up with a hangover and don't feel enlightened now. It's my plan though. Got holidays this week and i wanna give my ego a huge binge. Got a music festival at the end of the week too and my fond memories of past ones i want to drink and party etc. If i'm totally balanced drinking / smoking isn't fun, it makes you feel worse, loses that balance. Many of my best memories are while being drunk and i want to replicate that this weekend at the music festival so intentially becomming unbalanced for that reason. When i get back to work i'll go back to losing my ego. I'm not sure about this stuff, i can understand the senses dissapear as individual senses (actually i thought there were only 5 senses ), because they become 1 sense which is your experience. You still recieve info from your senses but they create your experience. I don't know about this speed of light thing either. It could be called eternal bliss because you only feel love and nothing else and it would be eternal because if your body dies you are still alive as the part of god. That is the immortality not that your body never dies or else where are all these immortal grandmasters now if they never died Just because you're enlightened it doesn't mean you are nice and good, you can be as good or nasty as you want. The enlightened one isn't on a pedistal, infact he is still what he was before he just really knows what he is. 95% mantak chia. i don't think you became buddha i'm sure you would have noticed yourself gaining 200kg! haha But you most likely have expereinced enlightenment at some time in your life but didn't REALISE! Well i only just realized and i don't spend all day being enlightened, like i said the day after i was in that state about 50% of the time. In fact i had a few beers last night and i don't feel enlightened at all now, i actually want my ego for the next week because i've got a week holiday from work and i want to have a big ego binge this week especially since i'm going to a big music festival at the end of this week woohoo! Then i can go back to losing my ego when i go back to work. Yeah i really didn't feel the need to tell people, like i said i went 3 days and only just told my wife while i was typing it out on here. Why didn't i feel the need? Because who would be interested? If i told anyone they would be like wtf prob don't even know what it means anyways. I thought people here might be keen to hear and so many posts in one day seems like they were. Yeah i agree, it is like a circle, anything has a life cycle. first what is quietening the mind, start to learn, then you can do it, then back to the start again, now i realize what is real it's like being born again and don't what i really want to do, not what i thought i wanted to do. yeah i read that ages ago. Its very good too just a little cryptic. I never liked the indian texts on the subject, but thats just my personal view. I actually only found this guy out after i accidently downloaded a wrong video which was a documentry about this guys whole life. It was a little long and boring but i watched the whole thing Thats 2 pages replied to now i'm going to go play with my baby!

The ancient shoulin monks perfected the balance of inner and outer kung fu. It has come apparent to me thru intensive internal practice that external practice is equally important. Although i have tried many different types of external training now i do a little weights, lots of stretching and medium amount of running. I feel this is best for me, and now i am also trying to get an iron pinch by pinching the steering wheel for as long as possible while i drive over 5-6 hrs a day.... for self defense purposes. ... So what do you do externally. Where you do you channel your energy for external development?

Ah yeah my grandma did that she showed me a few things i find that good. It compliments meditation i think very well and makes meditation easier Why do you meditate? what is it that it lets you do better? Do you have a goal that it lets you achieve

The healing sounds work without doubt. You need to do them all. You can do more lung/liver/heart and it will improve you i think. I need to know more details about what you actually "feel" to give you more advice what are your bad symptoms that you don't like? Do at least 12 times each organ 2-3x a day and the worse organs do 18-24 times at each sitting. Just do this with a balanced diet and you will see improvement in 2 weeks guarenteed. There is some excellent advice in this thread on how to make healing sounds work better for you, how to increase their effectiveness. Accupuncture is good too but it is expensive, and if you improve your lifestyle in the right way the effectiveness of your accupuncture treatments will be tenfold. I learnt some pulse diagnosis with an excellent doctor in china and you can learn some basic and usefull stuff on yourself very easily. Just put 3 fingers on each wrist like ur accupuncurist does. Look on the net for the locations of heart, liver kidney on the left hand and lung spleen sexual function on your right hand. Feel before and after 36x of healing sounds on each organ (might take you an hour) but then you will have some good differences to go by in pulses. If it's a big pulse under the finger there is heat. If it's smooth and they are the same strength then it is good news. All in all, you should continue accupuncture until you perfect the healing sounds, then you won't need accupuncture any more. Then quit one of your jobs so you only work 40 hours a week so your not building excessive heat in your body. That is unless your job pays you more than u pay your accupunturist otherwise your working harder for no reason other than to give it away to try to keep yourself working harder which is just losing you money to keep it all up. Finally i don't think a 30 day raw milk fast to get heat out of the liver gall bladder and lungs is rediculous. Milk and all dairy cause dampness, and this goes into your lung. This dampness is not going to 'cool' the lungs it will make it worse, they will become hotter trying to get rid of the dampness. Milk will heat up your liver too. You shouldn't be fasting at all, just eat a balanced diet and you will slowly get better. Your cooling diet would definately be helping of salad etc, but if you are doing all this, accupuncture healing sounds and cooling diet there must be something else wrong. What is creating this heat? Working 3 jobs must be creating a heap of heat. As with your thinking and the rest of your lifestyle.

I've felt the beginnings of myself going crazy due to meditation... well and hanging weights off my balls before i was ready. But you can pull in too much energy even if you become too good at meditation before you body is ready, your mind is ahead of your body. You get periods of balancedness but periods of very unbalancedness. You can get the same feeling with kan and li and it's not good. Maybe the father is intune with his son and it is a warning to him. You should consider all the influences around you perhaps it is god talking to you in a form. You need to listen to the outside as well as the inside. Conflict is arising and you can't be in a balanced state if your dad is angry at you, especially if you go on the net to talk about it... he must be feeling some sort of tension to share it with everybody on here. If you were advanced enough then what anybody told you would float over your head and it would not effect you emotionally. My suggestion is continue your practice but take it easier. Don't do so much. Listen to "god" as he says and ask him what he suggests you can do. Empty your glass and take the advice from people around you as well as listen to your own internal thoughts. When you are ready you can deepen your practice. Not that you need your dad's go ahead but when you feel you should then do it. You can't have doubts.

From the sounds of it your well on your way to fixing your illness. Now you know what the problem is you just can't fix it. What you need to do is have a supportive lifestyle for where you want to go. Look into TCM and work out what foods you should be eating to fix you disharmonies and don't touch the ones that make you worse. Do exercise. Be slow with increasing the energy in your body. First balance so you are stable then increase energy slowly. Stretch. Depending on your illness requirements will be different. After you address your lifestyle your meditation becomes easier, supportive of your meditation and healing takes place 10x faster!

I went to china and taught english. My first year i only did 15 hours a week and got paid 5x their normal salary and got heaps of time to meditate. Got paid a bit too much and too many party opportunities to properly set down and meditate properly. Then i did another year and a half doing about 35 hours a week and spent 4+ hrs a day meditating and it really helped me in my understanding and skills etc. But before i even went to china i did 2 x 10 days out in the forest in the middle of nowhere where there was nobody around i just found a couple of places willy nilly and went camping no campsite etc. Had to dig a hole to shit and the whole kit n caboodle. Those were the most hardcore days meditating nearly all day but at the end of each 10 days it is really amazing and well worth the effort. I mean i had to fully scream out at the top of my lungs in fustration and desperation sometimes but they were certainly memorable times. Been 3-4 years since i been out bush again but got a missus and a kid now so it's a bit hard but this year comming up i wanna go out for 7 days. If you want to learn to meditate then you can do vipassana meditation, 10 days, it's free with free shared cabin, free food etc. You just give them a donation at the end if you want. They're in just about every country so just look em up on the net. But you can't do energy work there they forbid it. You dont' need much money to go bush though just canned soups, some veges, fruit etc. Just lock your stash up at night or animals come and steal it and it's not fun waking up to animals taking off with your food!

Do you hold the chi ball in your body or outside? I can't sleep with chi thumping away in my dantien, For me the 6 sounds is the only meditation to do before sleep if i actually want to get some sleep.

hahaha - a few grand to put you in a cave and give you no food, no water and no sleep. I can provide this sort of environment for you no probs just drop me a message

I realise everyone has dialogue running through their head every day but i'm sure the type of thing that runs through everybody's head is different, especially depending on what type of person they are. Since this is a tao forum i guess most people would know what element they most probably belong to so i would love it if some people could post a snippit of the general dialog that runs through their head (and i think alot of people have the same things go through their head day in and day out - if it's a bit funny and silly all the better! Heres mine... Lets get to work, lets get there early then i can get a drink and prepere everything so i can have an easy day. Alright i need to clean my teeth, wash my face, get dressed, have breaky, make my lunch.. yep i've done them all and i've got 25 minutes left to get to work. Ok normally takes me 20 mins so i'll have 5 minutes spare. (Start driving to work) ooo look at that chick crossing the road - she's hot, ah what about that one in the car, i can't see her yet, what about the next car, who's in the car after that. What about that girl walking down the street she looks awesome from behind i wanna see her face... *stop and red light* ooo please hurry up and turn around before green light *green light* start to drive off she turns around WOOHOO saw it but it was a bit dissapointing. Alright 20 minutes left to get to work - 5 minutes to the halfway mark, then another 10 minutes, yep cool i'll still make it on time. Ahh my babys got some excama, got to remember to look up on the net about natural remedies at lunch time. Need to remember, Can't forget. Actually i'll write a reminder in my phone so i know i'll remember. Damn i should done some qigong this morning before work my mind is racing. It's alright i'll save it for lunch time. Ah shit thats right i gotta find out about baby's excama, alright net first then qigong. Ah shit but i gotta eat too. Ok eat first then qigong then net. Oh but it's better to do qigong before eating. ok qigong first then eat then net. alright cool. Ok got to halfway mark... hmmm... 15 minutes until i start and 10 mins to arrive. cool on time. *drive past maccas* ah that reminds me of my cool business idea i should really try start my own take away store, it will make me lots of money so easy. Gotta get started! who's in that car, that car, that car, whos walking down the road. Ah yeah my poker night on the weekend i haven't messaged everyone the details. Ah i musn't forget. I'll put a reminder in my phone too. Maybe i can send the messages out on my phone on the way to work at the red lights - one more thing crossed off my list. ok 3/4 to work 10 mins to go, still on time - good. Ah my brain is going 100kms an hr i feel worn out and i'm not even at work yet. Ok do a few healing sounds in the car for the last 5 mins. Ahhh a clear head & peace and quiet thats better. cruise into work with a smile!

Yeah i agree. The only time i step in is if i don't like what i'm thinking about then i just try change it. The main thing is how your thoughts make you feel. If they make you feel happy then carry on! I do this too, especially when i'm doing something naughty or think i'm going to get told off about something i'll already come up with 5 excuses or perfect conversations to try get myself out of trouble. The only thing is when the time comes i don't actually use any of my rehersed lines. I just fret and my mouth just garbles out whatever it does at the time and none of my rehursed stuff works. Kinda like in the movies when the boy likes the girl and practices what he will say to her then when he sees her he garbles out half of what he practiced and it doesn't make sense and just makes a fool of himself. Thats what i do - so logically, at least for me it's not worth rehersing this type of thing but i still find myself doing it. Now i try to not do it so much because i know it's not useful for me.

haha end up going round in too many circles to get anything done, too busy thinking about the best and most efficent way to do it instead of actually doing anything. The music is going in your head or on the radio? I have an internal radio sometimes... it's amazing how it sounds so much better in my head than when i try to hum or sing the tune.

Yeah i get constant internal muttering but i can still hear myself think over the top of it. I don't know what the muttering is unless i specifcally listen to it, rather i just talk over the top of it all to myself. Only after i've meditated there is proper silence. The first time i heard silence i didn't know what was different i just felt different. I didn't really notice the muttering i was so used to it but when it was gone it was So peaceful - felt strange.

The love and spontanious feelings given to you and felt by you from the tao are obvious. Coupling your wu wei with some form through training can increase your pleasure i believe. I used to play table tennis lots every day for several years. I loved it. Then i went to classes and i learnt each of the set shots which actually took alot of fun out of the game. Later when my body perfected each of the set shots without me needing to think about them then my mind would go into wu wei (i didn't even know this term then) and my body would automatically use the best set shot (set shot as in a shot proven to be effective through analizing shots in table tennis history) and alter it however it needed to be to get that ball back over the net. "I" would watch my body jumping here there and everywhere lightening fast pelting this ball back over and over and i didn't even need to watch the ball. I knew where it was. I am very attracted to Otis's (Manatou's too) posts because he/she seems to know what they're talking about and it seems to come from a perspective of someone with a free spirit. To me it seems otis would be more balanced by becoming more analytical. Do you find that maths/science is troublesome, hard and unattractive? Do you love art and music? I am too analytical and theory set in my ways. I actually enjoy it, it entices me. Beauty and love unfortunately cannot compete with my internal desire for the rush of speed and excitement. I wish i could just kick back and smell admire the beauty of it all but it's OH so hard. If what i say is right could you give me some more insight into how or why beauty & love is so attractive. Could you try put it into a few words? What is it that lures you irrisistably that way?

Yeah its interesting. Life just isn't the same without that morning boner. I think if you do testicular breathing or qi weight lifting you are using the energy so you won't lose it so to speak. Your body will produce more. But yeah i've been pumped full of sexual energy so that my mouth was babbling away faster than i could think several times due to too much energy and blockages. It's good to release sometimes, whenever you feel it's right on the inside.

I think as you practice more and more you become totally aware of another persons actions and expressions. Not the past or the future which has or will shape those actions but an absolute picture of now, and instantanious snapshot. It's possible to feel their feelings and then when you see (i mean when you really look) at their facial expressions it just sets in concrete what you already know. Like you don't know WHY they feel like that, you could make a guess but i don't think why is really important. ... So can't agree with that part... From someone's actions and reactions you can tell somewhat how enlightened they are. You can see auras if you look for them or it's easy to just feel the tension in somebody. Of course you can't say you are 82% enlightened because the tao can't be spoken of or evaluated in such a way. I think different on this point too. I find 'judging' and analyzing who or what causes any effect on me gets me further from where i want to be. It may get me closer to where "i think" i want to be but it's my thinking brain that got me in this mess in the first place so what i "think" is nothing for me to go by. The best is by listening. This is where recently i have thought some of the christianity really makes sense. "listen to god" they say. God/Tao is in us all we just need to listen to it and act on it. Its definately different to thinking - how does this person affect me? is it going to affect me in a good way?. Rather it is clearly a yes or no, do or don't without any consideration or conscious thought. Yes i like them - go. I don't like them, leave. Without thinking, judging or considering anything you automatically go on the right path. You don't even need to speak in your mind - yes i like them, you just spend time with them automatically. Do you believe you really need to speak out in english in your own mind "yes i like them" so that your brain can understand the very words that IT, it'self chose to code the meaning into? ... I do agree with the rest though

Smoke a ciggerette and blow the smoke over you to make it even more effective. They don't bite after you've had a smoke, or much less anyhow. Don't risk getting maleria, pick up a pack now!

Your religon wouldn't last long... Acheived 'what' exactely? What were they trying to achieve? One achievement can't be held higher than another. It depends on the individual's desires. Measureable by who? What are these achievements? I don't know what acheivement could be greater than creating another life? I don't think you know what you're talking about because planning and strategies are beginners tools in spirituality. Once your immortal fetus is born it's about going with the flow and dropping those plans. Wife and children force you into the tao The way you speak it seems you should do a university degree on golf before you even pick up a club. And only after much practice you would realise the degree didn't help you any. If you can only lift a 25 pound weight you get friends to help you lift the 200 pound one instead of struggling to lift the 100 pound one by yourself. so those of you who wanna remain in martial relationships, by all means do so? who am I to change your outlook? who are you to change my outlook? I think you are right to some extent. But only because you are looking at it in a straight forward manner. You think if you take 10 steps forward you will be 10 steps ahead. But what about if you take one step to the side you could be 500 steps infront. The marriage / children could BE your cultivation. By cultivating them (step to the side) you magically appear 500 steps infront. Your chi/energy might not be as powerful because you haven't spent those 5 hours a day doing meditations but your insight into the tao could become much better than only a meditation approach. The higher destination can be reached without travelling there step by step.

Instead of cultivating gentleness, kindness, love, openness & courage one could cultivate fear, anger, hate, worry & sadness I've seen on mind body & kickarse moves (a martial arts documentry) that a guy could put fear into his opponent which made his opponent unable to attack him. He literally felt scared to attack! The TCM constructive cycle can definately work with negative emotions too. I think everyone has felt anger take over from fear, and hatred boil with prolonged anger, and Worry easily turns into fear.The thing is i've also felt hatred turn into courage (a positive emotion). I've also felt sadness stop anger in its tracks within seconds (the controlling cycle). Sometimes in certain situations the negative emotions are easier to cultivate, and can certainly be stronger - i believe. I mean it's easy to feel massive energy from anger, or do something from the heart (without thinking) in anger. It's harder to do something from the heart with love without thinking. TCM tells us that prolonged "good" emotions are not good for us as are prolonged "bad" emotions. Being overly joyful harms the heart, etc. So it seems no health benefits come from being positive over being negative, as long as you don't get stuck in one emotion too long. Love is definately very strong, and in tai chi you can feel the power of love even in your strikes, but when the animal instinct - raw brutality of hatred is pumping through your veins you're pretty hard to stop (Not just overcome by anger but actual hatred). The loss you make in cool-headedness love you make up for in hot-headed determination and continuous onslaught without a pause. So yeah, without having purposefully cultivated negative energies i can't tell first hand what would happen, but i intend to try it out for just a couple of weeks to get some insight into it. Even just to become more aware of negative emotions and their workings within my body. To only cultivate positive emotions is hard work, continuously clearing out the bad emotions to positively charge your body. Perhaps to use both positive and negative emotions is better approach and more inline with the tao, since both types of emotions are natural and of the tao. Surely both positive and negative are useful. Anyone's thoughts?

EXACTELY! I need a house paid off so that i can live in harmony with the world and not need to work for it any more. Once it is paid off i have less commitments to that and my family i can enjoy the rest of the time cultivating if i want, or to do whatever i want. I think a house is a major thing. But the thing is anyone could take over your country at any stage and you wouldn't have any house left, there could be other people living in your house and you worked your whole life to pay it off!!! Well when you have a family i think the thought is different from when you are single. Even though you might not need money the other people might. It's my job to train them not to rely on money but at the same time a certain amount is needed. The risk runs of becomming too YIN. Maybe i am too yang and my thoughts indicate my inate purpose. Make an excuse for my yang ways but it is my being. We yang here are to keep the yin at work. To stop them becomming stale. We need to continue to work to make this world unlivable. My recent thought is that the 2012 prophecy is the decline of life, humans the ultimate race on earth will reduce quickly. Life will decrease very fast at the start, but later as it began the change of life quantity will be very slow. The meek will finally inherit the earth.