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If we will continue this way,I shall become a D.V fan. I dont think that this is the correct way to discover the thruth if there is any.... If I was D.V and someone was coming to accept him as student ,under these circumstances I will sent him to hell. I beleive that everyone must be respected. The only difference between D.V, and others is the amount of money that he requests. We cannot judge someone because of it.Time will do it.

HI BUSCON , I m practicing more than eight years and I m still suprising some times. When in Lotus and meditation, my hands some times are hot ,some times are cold. It has not to do with enviroment conditions I am practicing nacked,(indoors), ,and cold or heat is not a problem. I have no answer on this,my Instructor never explain me. When I am practising chi kung there is always a heat.Especcialy on Lao kung "subchakra",and my palms become "red". I m looking also for an answer on that....(the cold-hot issue).

Ones I had a conversation with a respectfull instructor of inner arts, that told me that. -"Using drugs in meditation is like jumping in deep water without knowing how to swim.You may lern it that moment ,but the most possible is to be drawn."

Yes, I do beleive. It is funny and also scarring. Recently I met a friend that was practicing the same system. When we crossed,both of us smiled and looked instictly our palms. The one's Chi had interreacted with the others, raised by itself as a defence shield. No matter that we are friends . Chi didn't know it.

Full lotus it's just a tool. A strong one, but there are many methods that can guide you to the path.

As it concerns the "elecric-chi" abillities of Verdesi really I don't know but Iam very curious to meet him just once to see if it feels the same as J.C's . I have no doupt that Chang's is for real ,also the abillity to set fire on paper it is real. J.C,normally was wearring thin open sleepers and time per time was healing barefoot very light dressed and with no tension to hide everything. He just have the power. The chi prodused by level 2 or level 3 students were also undertandable but had a differend felt. For dissbeleivers there is smthng to say that a lot of us are forgetting. The days that J.C,had already deployed his power the electronic science hardly had discovered the tranzistors. It's no problem to cheat with today technology ,but this days you had to carrie a closet of apparatus to create effects. I dont know if its permitted to descripe you one anecdote case, that J.C set on fire a piece of paper in front of me and others but its to personal and I dont't want to start another round of threads . I use to be an electronic engineer student for three years and at least I had a basic idea to understand the difference from an electric current created by a capasitor and the feeling of "smthng"else . As It concerns Verdesi,once more I have the opinion that if he has any power it is not similar with J.C's.

As I 've mentioned in a previous post money is not the issue.It is the money in relation with the teaching. Untill now and having check all the relatives posts,I haven't understand the aiming of the system that he is teaching. 50$/day or 5000$/day,it is the same for me.The problem is that there is a foggy condition about what he claims that he is ,and what he is willing to teach..

To transform any philosophy to religion you only have to add ritual. The persons that add these rituals to any pholosophy are aiming to control the mass of the beleivers. If, as an example, you subdract the "mysteries",(wedding , holly community,etc)from Christian relegion, you have only the teachings of Jesus as a philosophy.Of course it is more complicated in reality but I think that this is the principal.

Hi Pietro, as I mentioned previously this is my conclusion. This is a thread about the power of D.V. and if this power is real or not. I cann't remember to post anything about Mo-Pai in this forum before. If you follow the story of D.V via the others and this forum you will see that is the inderect way to "fish" victims or desperate loosers with only one purpose. To sell them nothing. The reason that I am mentioning Mo-pai is that here, or in others forums his student Sean Denty was written something like ,"D.V. has completed his training with master X and has achieved level 4 as it is described in Costa Danaos book ,The magus of java."That is an indirect advertisment that gives you the beleive that if you be trained with D.V. you will become J.C. I don't care if he charge money or not. But he is using or permits others to use the same old tricks of someone that he is only greed not for power but for money. As morrality is relative in our normal way of life, I am not judging his way, but in a taoist forum, that we are trying " the search of our selfs "using Tao , it doesn't look correct. So If you have free time visit the other forums to see why D.V and others rejected and banned ,including my mo-pai friends. The previous post was for Pero not for Pietro . sorry!!

As I dont know personally Mr Verdesi I really don't know his achievments. I can guess that for sure he can't be level 4 in mo-pai.My explanation is that for the only reason that J.C. open his system for a sort period to others ,it is because noone of his students till this moment,(6 months ago),achieved level 4. Noone ,no Chinese, propably fullfill his expectations and close it again. The obstacle in this kind of training is level 3.Although it is not such harmfull as level 2 you must dedicate a lot of time to complete it.I dont think that someone like Verdesi had even passed level 2.Noone from west has passed it.So someone from another school gave Verdesi a similar exersice and now he claims that he has passed level 4. In how long and in which way? Of course Verdesi ,via his students words, by passed this problem with the explaination of power transfer from his master to him. Ok some yoga sytems use this methods but I can not beleive to a situation like this: -Verdesi:"Hi I am Verdesi,my si -fu kicked me out because I was taking money from sick people and send them to my si-fu, to heal them for free.Can you teach me the secrets of inner power? -Master X:"Yes ,why not ,tell me your level. -Verdesi:"I am level 2 in mo-pai and I want to be at least 4. -Master X:"No problem take this peal 3 times per day before lunch and practice this moudra. (After 2 months) -Verdesi:'Hello si-fu ,I finished level 2 what about level 3. In mo-pai they need 8 years to complete it and only few are practising it. -Master X:" No problem ,drink this exilirium for 1 year , steel the power of 20 bulls with the taoist alchemic way and practise these breathing exersise for 6 months. -Verdesi:"As you command Master. (after 1 year) -Verdesi:"I finished level 3 Master. What about level 4.In mo-pai there is noone in our days, except J.C. above level 3 and no westerner above level 2. -Master X:'Don't worry I will transfer you my power to complete your quest for the Holly Grail. -Verdesi:"I am now level 4 si-fu what can I do? -Master X :"Do as you wish" and then Verdesi become an immortal and for beginning he openned a web page ,that even if you want to enter, you have to pay and for basic Instructions you have to pay thousands and if you are a good boy you will have the chance to see a photo of J.C. Is Verdesi level 4? Maybe, but not in Mo-Pai. It is possible Verdesi to be practised as a dedicate and sincere student of another system? May be ,but it is not the Mo-pai. It is possible to learn something real about inner power from Verdesi?Maybe but it will not be mo-pai. Maybe also I am wrong.But all these that I am writing down is my conclusion after reading everything in various forums about this person using the posts of his followers and not only. F*** I need a drink.

Well, after "Pizza delivery", someone must found the: "Master delivery". Even this guy,Verdesi,no matter if he is for real or not,spend his time and a lot of money trying to find a master in indonesia ,china e.t.c.Some other like Andreas,Costa,and Jim left their countries in a quest with no guarranties,and this gent wants a real master in front of his door. Give me a break.

Sorry not from me. I beleive in the strictly relation between student and instructor, even in our days that it sounds strange. There are a lot of things that I can not explain with my basic English. Meditation may be a part of an art or an art by itself. Chi kung was always part of various Kung Fu systems and it was intergraded in these systems. Now ,propably for commercials reasons it is empasished as something seperated,not something bad in my opinion because a lot of people are looking for something different. Tai chi is tai chi. The main styles Yang and Chen,have so many variations, so in our days a lot of instructors claim that their styl is rooted in the origin family. It may sound bad but it is somehow also good.It gives you the oportunity to "play" trying to find what is good for you. Go to wi ki for information about these arts,do your study and maybe something will trigger your attention. It is common and propably in our nature, to support our own way of training or style ,so any practioner here will guide towards his way of training. It is not bad ,but propably not what you are looking for. For me that I am practicing martial arts, chi kung as srength and endurance is essential, but someone that is looking for pure enlightment it may be a waste of time. Take your time and make your choice.

Depending on the type of meditation. In my school it is silent ,only focusing in dan tien. In other types of meditation it is known,(I never practiced), that a certain sound or combination of it are used to vibrate certain chakras. If you can be more specific, someone else can answer to you.

Leon, please find someone to give you an initiation. I beleive that you live in L.A. that is somehow a place that you can find everything. Don't be commited,try to find out what is better for you,if you don't like it change it. In my 25 years of experience in martial arts and 8 years in "inner" arts,I had and still have probem how to pass the knowledge or to be taught even with personal contact. Distance learning although is not impossible,it is a little bit hard.You need encourage and somehow a "healthy competition" to push you ,when the first difficulties occur. In the early years someone was feeling happy if he had an Oyama's book and practised in the backyard of his house, but today it is only good for academic study. If you live in a desert and remote area thats o.k.,but in the source of everything it is sound strange. Of-course there are a lot of traps out there but you have this forum to check the origin and the quality of this person using always your judgement. As it concerns meditation even if i had the permision to teach, it would not be possible to explain you via net.

My first advice is that you MUST try, somehow, to find an instructor. I haven't search to find anything in Internet, so I don't know anything about the quality or the possibility of this kind of training. As tai-chi has to do with a continous flow and alters of movement ,the presence of someone that knows how to corect you is essential. From the other hand chi-kung ,as I practice it, has breathing streach so it may be harmfull with no guidance. In our days, I think that it is not difficult to find an instructor or someone ,that he will be able to initiate you. As it concerns the hours of training there is an issue. Defently there are hours during the 24hour day,that yin is more present than young and via versa. Of course in our normal way of life it is not possible to follow this rythm. Depending on the goal of your training you must suit your training with them. As an example, in my meditation it is not wise to meditate facing west ,during the sunset, as it is considered to be the hour of "metal yim,that is the yim of death,altough the stereotyp of the yogi that meditates on the beach during sunset is a very good oportunity for a photo..... Good luck

Breathing techniques are similar through all inner systems. There are some variations that may be the difference that give the various names on these systems. The detail is the essense between them. The goal is the question.

In the system that I used to be practiced,as it concerns "Full Lotus", never mentioned at my level. If this detail is importand in higher levels, I think that there is a possibility for this, to be emphasized in senior students. In "half lotus" that I was practising ,yes.According the mudra the involved leg was "locked" or "unlocked",and the reason had been explained to me. These small details, in my beleive, are essential.It is the difference between "meditating" or "loosing my time". The other issue is that your question is very general. I mean that you are asking in general about "full lotus" in Buddhism or in Taoism. I think that there is always a reason, but I dont beleive that everyone can explain it, either because the knowledge behind the stance has been lost or it is the secret of the system or sect or clan.

I 've been told,that the purpose of "foul lotus "is relative and depended on the specific mudra. In the past when I had achieved a target practicing foul lotus, I was suprised, when for the next level that was more demanded, the stance was half lotus. I had the idea that the foul lotus was the ultimate stance,so when I had asked, If it was permitted to practice the next level in foul lotus, for better results ,the answer was "NO". Of -cource, because I am more clever than my Si-Fu , I practiced in foul Lotus and then I understood. He knew more than me.I passed away.

Good day to everyone, there are a lot of practioners,with different goals. Many of theme are like me,(practising without questioning),some others trying to find an answer behind anything they practise. I have no academic background to support my practise,so if you have any information about the mechanism of transforming semen into chi you are welcome to answer.

Thank you for the information. I am checking the forums.

...well in the elementary stage that I use to be, (and still I am),when in full practice,there was no semen to be spend. I explain:When in practise I had no physical need to ejaculate nor the desire.As this period never passed the two weeks in a row, I have no idea what could happen if this period was 2-3 months. Returning, after practise ,in normal life conditions, that abillity was leaving me . There was no guilty thoughts after any ejaculation but only the understanding that you are going slow with your practise.In other terms if I had to reach a target point in 3 years now I had to try 5. So what? We are not monks,and we have to joy our lives.

I have no personal experience,but I have read several books about the lives of Orthodox Christian monks .There are descriptions that every one of theme, shortly after their first period of "enlightnment" they are loosing the clarity and they are falling in some kind of depress and a feeling of absense of God. They beleive that it is a trial from God,everyone knows about it, but a lot of them become discourage,and somehow they are loosing their path.

Hi Pietro, yes there is always a problem to teach or to be instructed this stuff in a Christian enviroment,but If you are not looking for troubles you don't have either. I was practising from 1996 since 2006.Now I am starting again slowly and carefully. Actually there were a lot of girlfriends and a lot of semen waste, thats why I had stayed a litlle behind in my training. Now I am more balanced and I have more free time to start practising again, but without any hurry. After all is just a hobby.The inner part of the training is not a priority any more,but is good to excange opinions and become familliar with other ideas. After 20 years in martial arts now I am practising alone but a litlle cultivation of the spirit via the net is not something bad. Thank you.

We are going "of-topic",if I answer in this thread your questions. Very briefly. 1)It's kung-fu practise and has nothing to do with "enlightment". 2)There is no restriction or time frame. Simply you are loosing days of practise and you stay behind. 3)I have no idea if you need more than 72 hours. As they told me,it takes 72 hours for the sperm to be reprodused.I never asked If it's just sperm or Jing. I am just practising. There is a huge amount of information in the other threads and I am trying to read all of theme but it gonna take weeks. It is very interesting trying to understand the mechanism behind this transformation but most importand is the practise. I will open a new thread about it. If there is already anyone, ignore it and redirect me.

Excuse me for my narrow point of view.My aproach in this subject has only to do with my small experience in a certain system of specific training. During the first years of siting meditation I had been ADVISED,not to ejaculate. The explanation was that of "energy leaking". During the most complicated chi-kung exescises of the after years ,I had been WARNED,not to ejaculate.The explanation was that of "explodiing" and therefore destroying my Dan-Tien. The period between ejaculation and practise is 72 hours according the tradition of the system. Even the orgasm without ejaculation was not permited,(there was also an explanation about it), but it is to complex to explain it with my poor english. I 've never acted against this instructions so I dont know if there is a reality behind them,but I have no doubt that there is a basic and realistic fundamental principle on them. I am not talking about the academic and literatture explaination but this of hard and realistic practise. As it concrerns my life, I have a normal life ,I am married and I have a child.Very simple I never mixed sex and practise.There is always plenty of time for both .