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Hi, First of all I am thinking that this specific topic must be removed or renamed.It is at least macabre to ask in such a brut way if another human being is alive or not. Second , in my personal strictly opinion,YES there is a connection between Level 2 (compression ), and prostate problems. I have stopped Level 2 by myself due to first signs of annoying symptoms during compression. Is it a spirit behind it? Not at all as J.C, has given his permission to continue with the level. Is it wrong way of practice? Not at all as the exercise was given on person by J.C. Is it imbalanced Yin and Yang? Maybe but not so much. I do know only a person that had not problem with the Level2, but it is a well balanced person ,dedicated with pure heart ,that is fasting and avoiding negative thoughts or temptation of lust ,in other words he is not only practicing physically but he is also in peace of mind. We tend to forget that we have to approach similar teachings as a whole and we are separating mind and body. In every inner system we have to purify ourselves, get rid of our ego and become nothing. To practise having in mind that you need few more months of a specific training and then you will become something is hubris . I ve dedicated my self to level 1 only and I am happy ...

You may have a look in " you tube" , "A lesson with Kostas Part 1/2". Kostas was always trying to make this clear,that is a different thing to practice an art as a sport or athlem and different thing to practice a martial art. These two videos are an introduction to "Pammachon" Sorry no Mo Pai stuff there, but people with experience will understand that there is not only a body movement. Enjoy...

I am not quite sure that I understood the metaphor ,but years ago before the age of Facebook and You Tube,thinks were simpler. I am not blaming the tool,but the usage of it. This video,supposedly was from a student of Jim that uploaded it. If Jim had respect for his former Si Fu ,he had to demand to delete it. But this video is there for a purpose..... It is pity that J.C was always speaking respectfully for Jim ,but Jim didn't respect him.. Anyway ,it would be easier to write down that I am going to meditate,but I will finish my day with a Scotch. Cheers Brothers

This is the test for Level 2. Not everyone that has videos with level 2 or 3 post them on you tube. Also there is no proove that he passed level 2 in this video.It's just a routine check of hundred of them that was taking place every year... As someone else wrote,it would be moral to sell it as " Jim's view on Mo Pai" than Mo Pai.

There is a school in the Greek-Orthodox Christian tradition that the monks are focusing in the heart. Of course the point of view is completely dogmatic,but the results,after many of years of pure life,fasting and pray is similar with what a yogi can describe opening of the heart chakra. they work only with heart and their goal is to succed the " Kathodos tou Nou stin Kardia",meaning the "Descend of the Mind in the Heart" As they can achieve remarkable feats,we can say that you can do it only focusing in the heart,but it takes many many years... The rest is deep Theology and religion,but I can say you can do it,ignoring the other chakras.

In the Ascetic life of Greek Orthodox Monks,one virtue that you have to cultivate is "apatheia",meaning 'No Passion". Its the abillity to accept anything against your "I",that also in Taoism must not exist.I exist as a unit but I am a member of ALL. The reason that you want to say the last world is because of your ego.,(our Ego).It is the need that we have in every day life to proove that we know better so we are better from the others.Unfortunatelly in the society that we leave we must have a stong ego to survive.But this survivall has to do with us as unit. I beleive that admitting that you have this "problem"you have already half solve it. You dont know how many "enlighted"people are out there that they want to have the last world.

Josama your last paragraph proves that is a "scam" because except John Chang no one can teach you level 4 It has nothing to do with the how strong is your chi but if you have tha ability to move further. The new leader of the system was level 3 twelve years ago and he is still level 3. Do you think that a level 3 Chinese that speeks only Chinese will teach any Lin how to become level 4 (Lin is still level 2),and then this person will teach it to you....?

The thread has as title "learning mo pai with Jim mc Millan" The problem is to define what is mo pai? It is only the nei Kung practice or includes seeds of the way of life behind it? Does it mean Ive learned mo pai if I am level 2 or 3 or I have to wait for the funny think to begin after level 4? From the three "available" to teach in west , Costa is out of the loop, Lin is a Chinese that no one in Indonesia know him as Lin,that means that he is training with differend name there and starts a business with different name in U.S. Jim can take you up to level 2 and if he found already a way to continue with a similar system,it is a is similar and not a mo pai way. Is Jim a genuine instructor as it concerns his abilities ? Yes no one doubt that he maybe has finished level 2. Is Jim a mo pai instructor? Not any more for the moment that he closed the door behind it. Can I learn mo pai from the Chinese new leader? Try,the last information is that he accepts only Chinese as students . Is this a dead end? It depends on what you want. Level one is nothing, you will never become an immortal practicing it but a lot of funny thinks happening during it's achievement that proves to me at least that this system has some power. Level two is something more funny thinks happening there and some not so funny thinks either. So instead of asking about Training with Jim mc millan in a forum why you don't contact him and start training.....

As it concerns the story "paper on fire",I have to remind you that Danaos,in his first book "Magus Of Java",had pointed out that he was aware of the possibility of fraud,such as phosphor hidden in paper.It was very amusing for me to see in differend forums that a lot of people suddenly after so many years discover this possibility. I will share with you an old story that happened more than ten years ago. We were seating in John's leaving room,Sifu was wearing his ceremony Kung Fu uniform,t shirt ,shorts and flip flops,watching football on t.v. For many hours we were talking with other students and after some hour the conversation turned to the fire ability stuff . Then Sifu ,turned to us,it was late at night,and asked us if we want to see it again? He picked up a tissue from a box in front of us,put it in an ashtray on the table and tensed hia palm over it. After a while steam started to rise from the ashtray and a small flame for a short period. He stopped the tension over the paper and the fire stopped after a while. The hlf ignited tissue smoked for a while. He was looking disappointed,he said smthng like "no power, no power," and went back to his football Match. The rest of us we were ready to kneel and thank him for the out of blue demonstration but he was back on his t.v Of course the scepticals will say that he had a piece of phosphor in his shorts,or the tissue that was on the table available to everyone was trapped with smthng,or I was on drugs. No matter what....this man has the power. Tnx.

Hi everyone,it's a beutifful day here in Greece today,I hope the sun is shinning also for our fellow Tao bum . I have no clue about ejaculation in other taoist systems. My answer is based in my restricted Knowledge in Mo Pai system, assuming the MoonLiLitte ,suspects that he is suffering smtng that happened after ejaculation ,practicing("focusing" was his term),Level 1 Mo Pai. You have to understand that Mo Pai,was,is?,a non explanatory system. You are givven an exercise with do and dont and then ,they expect from you to practise.That's all. The exact mechanism of how each exercise works is not explained, for either secrecy or ignorance. The system ,after the very common in other systems level one,makes a completely turn and in level 2 becomes a Moist and not a clasic Taoist system. In Level 1 if we suppose that the dan tien is an open bucket,every time that we ejaculate is like covering the opening with the lid so the yang energy that we are trying to gather with meditation finds a sealed bucket and it's wasting outside .It is a waste of time and effort.Thats all. In level 2 a differend procuder is taking place.Every time that you ejaculate you are destroying temporaly the "foundation",upon is placed the dan tien.The world "foundation" may take a lot of explainations as it is a translation of Chinese to Indonesian to English to Greek.Then you need 72 hours to reconstruct this "foundation".(Testilles full of sperm). The instruction is."In level 2 of Mo Pai dont practice for 72 hours after ejaculation otherwise your Dan Tien will be teared." What is the exact meaning and the mechanism behind it ,I am unaware and I dont care. The fact is that the deaths of heart attacks or brain strokes,in level 2 have nothing to do with the "teared" Dan tien. They have to do with the pressure that you phycical body suffers due to the nature of the breathing. In this case MooNiNitte,mentioned that he was practising level one of Mo Pai,with no guidance,left alone when he had a probem and never mentioned if he was doing any combination of other systems. There is avery interesting article of Dervenis,the last one in the Pammachon Blog,about "moderation"in generall Please check it, it would be usefull as academic and not only, knowledge. If you are 21 years old and you are spending 8 hours in meditation instead of drinking your cofee with your friends there is a sign of a wish to become immortal with the lack of knowledge behind it. If you are thinking that is the goal of your life go to a monastery.Youmay find enlightment there. Doing experiments ,because some idiots told you that this is the way to immortallity ,well....

Live your life first of all....don't destroy a moment of your life because of the retention story.It sounds pervert but women do want to cum.In the past I lost girlfriends , because I was practicing and being negative in physical contact or stopping before ejaculation. Now if you are talking about tantric sex and bla bla bla I don't know. In my system precum or inner orgasm without ejaculation is a don't.But I was practicing with program and a goal. I don't think that there are out there to many women willing to help you with your decision.maybe they will pretend in the beginning that they do understand and how important is the retention for you ....but finally they will slip away. From the other hand you may achieve anything in this world but you have to pay for the cost... Except if you are following a specific school and a certain program ,enjoy your weekend with your girlfriend.

I have to admit as I said in previous posts that I am troubled by all these attacks on Kostas.I really don't see why since the man hasn't involved himself with the mo pai for over a decade and doesn't seem to care.Maybe that's why all the attacks? Because he doesn't care? It may looks out of date,but after I spoke with Kostas on the phone the other day,he asked me to pass on the following: " Please leave Kostas out of the Mo Pai public picture.He has no interest and wishes anyone who is in a position to develop and spread positive teachings around the world,the best luck as long he doesn't mention Kostas. On the other hand ,if these people persist in using his name or refencing his work in their commercial interest ,( for example to sell a book), he wants them to know that none of his books are self published.Should Kostas think he is being defamed,he will simply inform his publisher. The person in question will then face a lawsuit by a multi-million dollar publishing company- without Kostas lifting his finger or spending one cent. He would also like everyone to know that,should he become angry,that the TERMS and LITERRY entities " John Chang"," Mo Pai", etc.are,at this minute,Kostas intellectual property. Claimants to the contrary will have to prove the opposite in "THE EYES OF THE LAW" and good luck with that.You may think you will make some quick money and wind up losing everything you own in the process . Kostas has no inerest in the MoPai as an institution.He was a student of the former Headmaster and respects his teacher greatly.Once they parted ways,he simply stopped being involved and separated himself from the school.He never fought Nei Kung publicly or commercially and has no wish to.People now want to capitalize on the Magus Of Java literary success and this is unacceptable .If you want to make money from the school please don't mention either Kostas's books or himself.Otherwise you will be forced to explain yourselves in court with your personal finances on one side and Inner Tradition on the other"._

You just have to google " scientific prove of chakras" Yes you may only imagine that there are chakras if you are willing to play tricks with your mind. From my experience I can tell you that Dan Tien is there waiting for you to discover it via practice .....

Southern Mantis Storing energy in Dan Tien as you mentioned a la Mo pai,and having sex or ejaculating has nothing to do with "tearing" the Dan Tien.. The 72 hours has to do with level 2 and not the preliminary stage of level one.although I am familiar with one case of a practinare that was peing blood because he was practicing reverse breathing with tension if you are practicing correct the exercise there is no fear. From your previous posts I understood that you are mixing training.it's not for me to say but as a friendly advice mixing " mo pai " tehnics with others it doesn't sound good to me. Not that I want to create a scary atmosphere ,but some systems are not compatible with the mo pai technics. Both embryonic and reverse breathing are accepted in meditation but it's up to school that you are following.

Hi, For everyone interesting in "martial arts",you can find Pammachon on Facebook. Tnx

Nice job.... Please can you make later a Download able format?

There are numerous of cases as the Forume you mentioned. As another member previous said there is practice in Chi Kung and also there is Taoist Religion. The fundamental difference is that in "Oriental " systems or believe, the person is able to become one with "God",with his own effort that is against the organized "western" religion believe that union can be achieved only with the grace of god.If the individual will try by itself to attain the union he/ she will be misguided by the evil forces and will find himself in Hell .For this reason regreted practioners are talking about the evil spirits that misguided them and e.t.c,that suits any church to be used as "there is no salvation outside the church". One of the fundamental difference of "East" and "West" is that religion as the Christian one ,is a game over after the physical death.You can go Up or Down.. "east" believes,(mostly),in a more circular than linear way...you may have another chance. This is a vast subject,but you have not to be surprised as such forums are everywhere in the net. And by the way,the thread that you open must be corrected,in my understanding with the " From Qigong to Religion", you mean "From Qigong to the Christian Religon". That means that for you there is only one religion,the Christian one, so you are in the wrong Forum....

Which is your book? because lately we filled with them.... ...and yes you are right but that took place in another time frame.... and although someone propably will pull my ear, I can't shallow the "spirit story"...

Easy guys....... Probably Earthbound is thinking of me when he mentioned "bad students", I was the lazy one..... "Someone Else" is right,but also wrong. Costa never had a school,with the meaning of owning a school and have incoming of it. Even that years "mo pai era", we were sharing the expenses of renting a basement and once a week we were gathering for practice. The most important thing was that after the practice we were going to continue with beer and food in nearby tavernas.... The only time that I heard for a more organized place was during the visit of J.C when in front of me, he asked of Costa to find a bigger place ,because after his demonstration there,this place would be packed of new students. This is important because it gives an answer to Jim's claims that J.C had decided to "kicked out " Costa since 1996. The visit of J.C,was around 2001.... Resuming, although this seems to be a mean less conversation it can prove a lot about the qualities of the character of Costa. And for the record Costa never kicked out but he left for his own reasons. For more information visit his site "Pammachon.gr" and you will find a lot about his way of thinking and acting...

Good for you and all the mankind.... An enligheted being that has not by passed yet his ego ,announcing it in a forum.

There is a difference between prove or display... I dont think that any master has to prove anything.... There is a seminar with a fixed price from a known Chinese master...The price is irrevelant. If you need proves don't go... If you needs proves go... If its fake you are loosing 3000$ but you can have first hand information about it and not from the chating here If its real you have open a new window in your life... I am familiar with the long going story about asking from Chinese masters to prove smthng,but I dont think that in this stage,(attending a seminar),you need any prove.

I agree with Chi Dragon,it's nothing else but a good sign that you are progressing well.It seems also that you have a genuine instructor so don't ask us .Of course sharing experience is a wonderfull thing but if you asked here for answers you may confused since every one here has a different background... ...Kyokushin....

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I agree with Chi Dragon,it's nothing else but a good sign that you are progressing well.It seems also that you have a genuine instructor so don't ask us .Of course sharing experience is a wonderfull thing but if you asked here for answers you may confused since every one here has a different background... ...Kyokushin....

Kronos, With all the respect and without trying to be smart,I have some objections in some of your claims... 1, Jim in my opinion hasn't written anything stupid in his book.He expressed him self with a wrong way. 2,I have no idea about Master Wang Liping except on what is written in this forum.There is a difference between similar to mo pai and exactly as Mo Pai otherwise with your claim,all the practioners of Mo Pai are retard people that was not possible to do in 4 years whet Wang Liping's system can do in 1 week.Feeling my Ba qua active it doesn't mean that I have opened that chacra other wise I should be level 72. If I am suspecting correct we have as common the knowledge of the 2 levels.Is there any restriction to share them here with us or they are secret as the mo pai ? I am very curius about the compression procedure as in my knowledge compressing an empty Dan Tien will cause it to explode...Or it is filled in a week end? I would like to apologize for the tone of this post but I couldn't resist the irritation.... You know prop ably and better than me that even the most simple Tibet oriented exercise needs 2-3 years to be performed well,in a monastery environment.and now with a 10 day seminar you are mastering the nei Kung power? Sorry but I doubt .... Friendly .....