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What's the definition of enlightenment used here? Since there are many to choose from.

Could someone could me a link to practical methods of Bashar? How do these compare to eg. Vipassana in terms of efficiency and number of enlightened individuals?

Maybe a moderator could move this thread to the main discussion forum?

I know it's not a qigong workout but Intuflow is very nice and free on youtube . I do it between Flying Phoenix and Tai Chi. Much better than the 8 Brocades, I would say.

Wondering whether any bums have experience in dream yoga or sleeping qigong? I did dream yoga a couple of weeks as per "Tibetan Yogas of Dream and Sleep". I managed to remember almost all of my dreams and when I think back now I can see my nighttime activities somehow made everything feel more connected. However I couldn't manage to get into a lucid dream, probably because my awareness without the monkey mind chatting is still too weak. Also, I didn't get enough sleep which was tiring overall. What are your experiences? Also, have you tried to fall asleep in a qigong state and maybe getting to a lucid dream? This thread was originally started in the Training Goals thread.

Aliens are so common now you would invite them to the dinner if they landed in your garden...

he he Maybe you are becoming an immortal? Anyway, I started a new thread with the topic of dream yoga / sleeping qigong.

yes, the meditation is lying down before sleep. The meditation is accompanied by a high pitch sound in the ears (probably blood flow), a slight buzz in the head, a slight current in the front of the body (like a half MCO) and sometimes a stiffening of body parts. The stiffening part is the healing I think - according to Sifu Dunn. I don't think I can disregard the close down now; when the energy reserve is higher I think it will be more spontaneous like your practise. When I did dream yoga, I suggested to myself to remember my dreams and also recognizing when I was dreaming so I could have a lucid dream. However I didn't manage to have a lucid dream. I think it would work better to increase your mindfulness in the "waking" state and use it for dream yoga if you want.

Ok, I tried this with a Flying Phoenix lower dan tian meditation, I got to the buzz stage but I have to end the meditation with three breaths so I couldn't fall asleep while in the state. Do you feel like you are in the qigong state in your dreams or is it only while falling to sleep? I had a very good sleep by the way

Hi Rainbow , Yes it would be really nice to be in qigong state 24/7, it's actually one of my goals to cultivate 24 hours a day. I tried to do dream yoga but I didn't get my rest so it became too tough. I wonder how you do sleeping qigong. Is there any specific method or is it a spontaneous effect of stillness-movement?

Regarding choosing practises: I normally ask I Ching whether I should proceed with something I think is interesting. The answers are sometimes cryptic but mostly helpful and clear.

I forgot to mention that at the 2 month mark for my FP practise I started noticing the wrinkles in my face had smoothened out - so I now I look younger So this is definitely a validation of this qigong.

I initially started Qigong to find peace of mind but I think the underlying motivation was also to get strength to deal with both my parents and other people in general. I am now starting to view this in a different perspective: maybe my efforts are not for my gain solely but maybe they are meant as a healing process for all the people I interact with. It seems my relationships have a certain characteristic - or it could be a projection of my attitude - : these people need a nudge in the right direction. Of course you cannot help everyone, some people are best left as they are. Regarding my interest in martial arts: I have not uncovered why I started Tai Chi yet, this is something I still need to figure out. If your inner self / spirit is really as powerful as I've heard then it is easily understood: your inner self gets you going in the right direction and eventually you understand this with the conscious mind. But yes, my goal is constantly changing as I learn more and get rid of cruft.

Regarding 8 Brocades: I find Scott Sonnon's Intu-Flow better for a general warm-up even though it is a joint mobility exercise and not a qi building exercise. There is generally very little "juice" in the 8 Brocades. The pain and release in FP I can relate to. I feel some pain in the shoulders when Monk Gazing at Moon (both sitting and standing). Generally these days I feel a lot of "massaging" or "energy-pulse" in my third eye area / area between my eye brows when doing the FP meditations even the Monk Holding Peach which is supposed to channeling energy to the middle dan tien. I also think my current cultivation efforts (the sum of tai chi, meditation and qigong) are superior to psychotherapy in generating changes in mind state. I'm not sure whether I can give FP all the honor but I feel a general relief of stuff that I have got rid of. It seems that the Taoist model of feelings stored in the organs could be true or you could say that mind and body is just the same thing.

That breathing sequence is Monk Holding Pearl. Nice to know that ginger works in tandem with the meditation. I will go make some ginger tea

You come here, expecting us to dissect your philosophy and discuss it. When we point us flaws, you say we slander. This is pure delusion. Read those two pieces I pointed out. They are simple and to the point.

Clearwisdom Glossary This is concrete, links from your websites. Discuss! Why are you spreading untruths?

The way: you might want to read this post at dharmaoverground. Very interesting.

So Gauss, let's hear your detailed criticism about Buddhism, you can start with the Diamond Sutra. Also, let's see a critique of Tao Te Ching. Yours truely.

I find this thread and other threads that Gauss has made to be quite ridiculous because of the premises of a forum such as this is *discussion*, which is not really happening. Gauss keeps on holding on to his views without budging while some people have acknowledged that the exercises were good but the philosophy behind it phony. What more do you want, since you are not even trying to understand where other people are coming from? I also find it laughable that you continue to say that we are slandering FD when you spread misquotes that Buddhism cannot save people anymore. This is not the truth: it is a misquote of the Diamond Sutra! Your intention may be compassion, so is ours.

*If* the law of karma is real, could there be karmic consequences? How can our linear non-cultivated mind perceive the consequences? Maybe an enlightened person knows and will not follow your suggestion. I think something like you suggest could only happen on a grand scale such as a world wide event that cannot be covered up in media and by government. An equivalent to aliens from outer space descending to Earth

Sloppy: you apparently hold science to the highest regard. Well, scientists are not 100% honest as they will publish articles with experiments that cannot be validated. I know because I have seen such articles first hand. Science is a framework where our understanding can change tomorrow because of a fundamental breakthrough. Science will understand everything one day, granted the scientists behind it are 100% honest. This requires looking into your thoughts eliminating bias which very, very few scientists are capable of. My experience is mainly with engineers in a company. You also have to understand economics and social engineering to understand why there is a lot of bias against spiritual claims. You yourself said your third eye is opening, so what are you complaining about? The Taoists mapped the mind-body connection and the Buddhist the mind. This is also science so I cannot see why you put such emphasis on Western science with it's current emphasis on producing results that can lead to quick commercialization.

To understand this we need to understand where thoughts come from and I don't think anybody can agree on that.

I've been doing this (qigong/meditation) for 1½ years. Current result: more confidence, less fear, overall more effortless life (less going against what life is teaching me). No spiritual wild things as other members on TTB. Zhan Zhuang: Signs of wind qi as Bill Bodri calls it, yes. Bubbling Well in the feet alot, hands warmer, better blood circulation, better digestion, cleaning of the digestion system (farting! LOL). No MCO, unfortunately :/. Flying Phoenix: there are standing static, standing moving, sitting static and sitting moving. Intu-Flow: a joint mobility exercise, it loosens your joints. Supposedly it will also improve your sense of "flow" as Scott Sonnon calls it. Recommended! I just do it manually by using the quote tags and change the name inside the tag. EDIT: I forgot to add that I actually do wuji standing as warmup to Flying Phoenix and as a ending for my Tai Chi practise, but that's only 2 min each

Does this contain all the intu-flow and flowfit exercises? I thought about buying both intu-flow (currently doing beginner level from youtube) and flowfit, which will total in about $110 with shipping so maybe this is a better deal?