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Maybe not completely, maybe part of why you are here is just because you just wanted to say "see I was right". I'll see you around winpro and you'll see me, looking forward to it.

Oh, that's right there are no friendships among those who practice Kunlun. I forgot I won't again.

Mr. GDB doesn't even recognize a friend. You know me man. Get over yourself and you'll eventually figure it out.

That's over now too.

Now I know.

Read the posts and ?

winpro read -O-'s posts, they will help you.

This is how reading some of Chris's posts have appeared to me. The only person who's sincerity I didn't doubt has been Max's. No. The questions I typed out and asked where directed to one of the adminstrators of Kunlun, the only people who can answers those questions.

Why are you here -O- ? What are you getting out of this? You are an exile and yet are pouring so much effort into this... better for you to play with your daughter and just let me move on.

This is a problem then and there will never be any progress for any of us, and that's how it's felt for me asking anyone any kind of question. Please answer my questions about addiction and when it's okay to ask a question. Otherwise this seems to me to be the path to maddness, left like this for me that is the only conclusion I can draw and I have to move on and away from it for my own well being.

Is Satori / lemntl a teacher? He's a teacher? He never answered any of my questions. I emailed Max but never got an answer and then he posted saying it was impossible for him to answer all his mail. I emailed Chris a couple of times but never got an answer.

The way I said it did too, or at least I thought it did until the way you said it further clarified it. Please let us progress.

Wish I said it like that.

Please define and explain further those you consider to be addicted detailing symptoms. Would the addicted people also be the ones who have attended more than one seminar, and frequent the Kunlun forum? Is there ever a need to ask a teacher questions with the Max practices? In what situations/when would asking questions of the teacher be reasonable and in the student's benefit to do so? Please explain/detail. No. Hypothesis from other students only.

Thank you.

What it comes down to is do you want to be right? OR have less problems with your students, and for them to have less problems with the practice? Which?

As an aside but an important one Cameron attended 6 or 7 seminars, but it wasn't until he went to Jenny Lamb's seminar that he understood what let it go it's all illusion meant, by watching a teacher of Kunlun forget what it meant. Should the teachers of Kunlun not set the proper example?

He didn't say it to everyone. During a seminar and in the books this is the most important thing to remember to say, and put in text, and make sure to repeat many times so everyone hears it and understands what it means and how it applies in regards to ALL of your experiences. That wasn't covered.

Satori and Mantra why when people asked about these things did you not write about them more? Any information that was forthcoming about it always came through in a way to suggest that everyone believes it as truth and not illusion. This didn't help me and I think it hurt me and made me think I was going crazy because it opened up to me the possibility that it wasn't all my mind that it wasn't all illusion. This is how it hurt me. This is how it hurt us. It added already to what I was going through in a way that made it more difficult for me. On the Kunlun forum I thought I would get some help with questions I had about the practices but Max kept giving us more practices when we had already been given more than enough. Some people just wanted help with the practices they had already been given. Some of us didn't want more. People wrote about their crazy experiences with aliens, celestial beings and all the rest, and that got center stage. If people talked about telepathy the comments were oh yes it's common among Kunlun people, whatever you were going through was common among Kunlun people, so I think some people believed everything that was coming to them as real and not illusion and they are still there in that same place dealing with it as truth, and that is how it hurt me and that is how it hurt us. Everything you wrote Satori...you don't know you don't really know any of it for sure. You think that's what is happening and going to happen but you don't really know anything for sure. Some of that you heard from Alex Collier and are believing it to be real. Some of that you heard from Max and are believing it to be real. I thought this was about finding your own truth and flowing with the Tao not getting stuck and digging in your heels somewhere and staying there. You'll never be free like this. When I attended the Kunlun seminar I was looking for a practice, I didn't want a belief system. You get that with these practices, it comes across that way. All this must mean that I am not "good" because I haven't been attracting good with these practices. Is that what you are saying with all of this?

This would be a good start as would letting them know that the teacher is a teacher and the students are students and you are not there to be adopted by a new family, or that you are among friends. Warn them also that the teacher and other students will force there realities onto you and tell you that what they believe is all real, instead of telling you the truth that it is all an illusion of their own minds.

There won't ever be any moving forward. One post just to acknowledge the students having difficulty is not enough. It's not enough for me to stick with this.

I took it to mean that you can't say anything negative about Kunlun because the "pack" will tear you apart, impugn your character and say that you are the problem, it's just your own fears, that you are a fear monger, you are angry, you are not entitled to feel angry, you are a mess to clean up, you have an agenda, you are emotionally unstable, bring your upbringing into it and say you had doting parents and now need a teacher to hold your hand, you need a daddy....in general tell you what a fuck up you are. That's how I understood it. Trunk was offering proof that in Yoda's case that wasn't the case. That's how I understood it.