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I see the five tibetian exercises purpose, in essence, just to open up the flow for kundalini. The blockages of energy flow is what cause the trauma, Gopi Krishna experienced, when they released. During my opening the Kundalini, happening over about 9 months, the adjustments of flow were like orgasims. A little embarassing but pleasurable. My back would suddenly straighten with energy streaming up to my head. In electronic terms, I think that its like a twisted wire connection turning to a soldered one. 'Much' more "refined" AKA: "cultivated". If you don't have it, I would get the book as the author really gives quite a bit of information in an orderly, step by step fashon that I haven't seen elsewhere. What is Kan and Li ?

Nad Yoga is also in The Five Tibetans Not as detailed and I haven't tried it but aim to begin this week. Thanks for the link ! By the way - have you worked with it?

I've not been able to see the problem with KAP - unless it is basic laziness. I found a book on it, read the book Practiced it, got it. The five Tibetans $3.97

Hardyg, Philosophy was developed in China and most of Asia in the place of religion. Simply put, there is no god. A person may use the term in a sentence such as "the god of gravity" which refers to the Law of Gravity. Buddha's enlightenment was more simply put - that he formed an insight into the natural "laws" of humanity. Take a look at the philosophy of Buddhism on this website: http://www.amtbweb.org/tchet110.htm while noticing the clickable saying that: "Buddhism Is An Education, NOT a Religion". Think from this perspective: "Buddhism teaches that the only one that can forgive you is you." From this - a person must take responsibility for their actions. A perspective of the western belief religions of Hebrew, Muslim and Christianity, that is held by many in Asia, is that they are designed for and the cause of many - Wars.

Confucious is the person that brought order to China's government and society - although - his philosophy was enforced in such a manner, by Huang Di, that the people hated and eliminated him from Chinese culture untill Chuang Tze revived the Confucian way in a more gentle interpretation. Confucious came about 1,000 years after Shang Di. Which, I would think makes Confucious a student of Shang Di. Here's a Chinese website that I've been posting on for about 10 years: http://www.asiawind.com/forums/list.php?f=2 There is a Chinese/Austrailian man there name: CHUNG Yoon Ngan that is considered somewhat of an authority, by many, on the culture etc from the Chinese perspective. I suggest that you do-not get into the politics of the World2 website. If you do not have the help of a Chinese person that has lived in both the East & West cultures - You are like a blind man trying to describe an elephant to another blind man. Even the dogs here have a different culture from western dogs in that they do not look a human in the eye - the eye contact is seen as the predicessor action warning of an attack. Buddhist, Taoist and Confucian temples are often in the same room - side by side. Here is one that is about a 10 min. bus ride from where I live: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wong_Tai_Sin_Temple

Good find but from 3,600 years ago and still not a god - but rather a guard that watches over the acestors which is his anchor for the position whereupon: Shangdi is the holder, and thus the responsible personage, that bestows government authority --- in particular since he seems to have invented governing in China.... 3.600 years ago. "Shangdi is believed to rule over natural and ancestral spirits, who act as His ministers. Shangdi is thought to be the Supreme Guide of both the natural order and the human order. The ruler of China in every Chinese dynasty would perform annual sacrificial rituals to Shangdi at the great Temple of Heaven in the imperial capital." The main point I've been trying to make is that these that are elevated to high positions in China must be understood from the Chinese way of thinking - not the mythical, magical, all powerful, supernatural existance that is given to western religious figures such as seen in the Hebrew spinoffs of Christianity and Muslim belief style religions.

Yo da man, China developed very differently from the west. Gods are people that have done great things. Philosophy takes the place of religion. Buddhism says it is not a religion - a webpage explaining what it is: http://www.amtbweb.org/tchet113.htm The major gods: Confucious (Confucianism = social rule), Lao Tzu (Taoism= perspectives, timing, seasons etc), Quan Yin(justice/mercy/motherhood), Buddha (meditation/mental health clinic), The Yellow Emperor (medicine, farming) etc are examples of assigning god status to people, that have lived, through their contributions to society. I would not have come to China, nor remained as long as I have, if I thought it was same as South Carolina... To see what takes the place of religion in China: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Traditional_Chinese_holidays Simply put, in China - if it works it is real - if it don't work it is fertilizer for the fields... Belief structures are like manure - it don't stack too high.

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My teachers asked for nothing and would take nothing, during the 6 years I was with them except that I pass it on to those that were sincere. This is why, after I began to know my way around this site, I first wrote this thread: http://www.thetaobums.com/index.php?showtopic=11802 ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Reward is to have been a truly positive influence within humanity. I have never met a person that knew the reality of the Tao that charged. In fact - we give each other tests that only a person that has been there knows. There are other teachers (plural) on this website and now you know how to find them. Some do not pass knowledge, because of those wanting to use it for proffit, so omit details. These details can only be known through experiences of practice - not through reading or chanting.

For Kundalini - you got to loose the religion. Religions are beliefs AKA: insainity of groundless thinking. As the Chakras open you got to see them as they are: energy blockages opening. The Kundalini opening can only be compared to: DC electrical current transforming into AC. With DC, your body parts recieves the energy in a flow pattern - in AC, your body and mind are one. Get the book and follow the directions: THE FIVE TIBETANS by Christopher Kilham - probably it is in the school or city library. Practice Kundalini in the morning as it raises energy - Savasana at night as it lowers energy. Savasana is here: http://www.thetaobums.com/index.php?showtopic=11802 A little mind candy: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JKX6j5T5fO0...feature=related http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IPEMZteFjWc...feature=related http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9DvIBiaDwDM...feature=related

It is Amazing how many ways, that has stood the trials of time, as material from 1,000 + years ago can be twisted for cash.

I used this one - it is 16 years old, 85 pages - large print - with 10 pictures - and in most libraries: The Five Tibetans: Five Dynamic Exercises for Health, Energy, and Personal Power (Paperback) ~ Christopher S. Kilham http://www.amazon.com/Five-Tibetans-Dynami...l/dp/0892814500

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Emotions are same as thoughts. Empty mind AKA: Mindfullness Meditation is as it is: Empty mind AKA: Mindfullness Meditation. Meditation itself has a nature - if we have thoughts - the true nature of meditation & thus its value - is altered in direct relation to the lack of mindfullness. Enlightenment is a direct result of 100% mindfull meditation after some exercise. (Ever notice how many temples are located in the hills?) The breathing is not stopped - it is controlled by the belly breath technique. The chest does not rise - the belly does. It is a much more efficent way of breathing. I lived on this mountain for 2 years - about 15 minuites walk up from this picture - Although - there are 2 walkways - the pictured one is for tourists - the real one is empty of tourists and has 2 park benches to sit and meditate at the right (exercise) time along with a flowing stream by a natural rock formation that is called the Dragon Rock - that has water streaming out of its mouth. To find this path, just stay on the sidewalk to the left. The meditation point also has a blank wall facing the bench - all is about 100 feet from the monestary. It is also a favorite spot for monks to come - some are v-old and carry beads.

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A Teaching Website that Includes: A Visual Sourcebook for Chinese Civilization Short topic descriptions and details http://depts.washington.edu/chinaciv/contents.htm http://depts.washington.edu/chinaciv/sitemap.htm Front Matter A Clickable Menu that opens up to much more. F1 Purpose F2 Contents F3 Timeline and Maps F4 Sitemap F5 Teachers' Guide Units 1 Geography Further Reading 1.1 Land 1.11 China Proper 1.111 The Great Wall 1.112 Yellow River 1.113 Yangtze River 1.12 Outer China 1.2 People 2 Ancient Tombs Further Reading 2.1Neolithic Tomb at Dawenkou 2.11 Pottery from Dawenkou 2.2 Shang Tomb of Fu Hao 2.21 Bronzes from Fu Hao's Tomb 2.211 Piece-Mold Techniques 2.22 Jade from Fu Hao's Tomb 2.3 Zhou Tomb of Count Yu 2.31 Bronzes from Count Yu's Tomb 2.32 Jades from Count Yu's Tomb 2.4 Warring States Tomb of Marquis Yi 2.41 Inscriptions 2.43 Musical Instruments 2.431 Restoration of the Bells 2.44 Bronzes from Marquis Yi's Tomb 2.45 Lacquer Objects 2.46 Gold and Silver 2.5 Han Tomb of Liu Sheng 2.51 Diagram of Tomb 2.52 Bronze Objects 2.53 Jade Objects 3 Buddhism Further Reading 3.1 Images 3.11 Buddhas 3.12 Bodhisattvas 3.13 Other Divinities 3.14 Groups of Images 3.2 Temples 3.21 Cave Temples 3.22 Urban Temples 3.3 Practice 3.31 Monks and Nuns 3.32 Lay People 4 Calligraphy Further Reading 4.1 Script Types 4.2 Techniques of Transmission 4.3 Six Dynasties Calligraphy 4.4 Tang Calligraphy 4.21 Early Tang Court Calligraphy 4.22 Other Script Types 4.23 Religious Writings 4.24 Individualist Styles 4.5 Calligraphy in Modern China 5 Military Technology Further Reading 5.1 Siegecraft 5.2 Crossbows 5.3 Spears and Clubs 5.4 Catapults 5.5 Warships 5.6 Gunpowder and Firearms 6 Painting Further Reading 6.1 Painting as a Social Record 6.11 Urban Life 6.111 Shops and Commerce 6.112 Means of Transportation 6.113 Individuals on the Street 6.12 Private Life 6.121 The Private Realm of the Literati 6.1211 The Night Revels of Minister Han Xizai 6.2 Painting as a Fine Art 6.21 Landscape Painting 6.211 Northern Song Landscape Painting 6.2111 Guo Xi's Early Spring 6.212 Southern Song Landscape Painting 6.213 Yuan Landscape Painting 6.22 Court Painting 6.221 Paintings with Political Agendas 6.222 Bird and Flower Painting 6.23 Scholar Painting 6.231 Figures and Animals 6.232 Bamboo, Plum, and Other Plants 7 Homes Further Reading 7.1 House Architecture 7.11 Fengshui 7.12 Earth as a Building Material 7.13 Roof Tiles 7.14 Wooden Framing 7.15 Regional Variation 7.151 Cave Dwellings 7.16 Decorative Elements 7.2 Interiors 7.21 Kang 7.22 Beds 7.23 Furniture 8 Gardens Further Reading 8.1 Origins of Garden Design 8.2 Garden Design 8.21 Rocks and Mountains 8.22 Water 8.23 Buildings 8.24 Plants 8.241 Paving Patterns 8.3 The Garden as a Site for Social Activity 8.4 Aesthetics of the Garden 8.5 Garden of the Master of Nets 9 Clothing Further Reading 9.1 Traditional Patterns 9.11 Evidence from Paintings 9.12 Evidence from Photographs 9.121 Men 9.122 Women 9.13 Making Cloth 9.131 Sericulture 9.2 Twentieth-Century Changes 9.21 Adaptations to Western Styles 9.211 Qipao 9.212 Mao Suits 9.213 Western-Style Suits 9.22 Eighties and Nineties 9.23 Weddings 10 Graphic Arts Further Reading 10. 1 Commercial Advertisements 10.11Calendar Posters 10.111 Folk Calendars 10.12 Magazine Advertisements 10.13 Book Covers 10.2 Political Propaganda 10.21 Woodcuts 10.22 PRC under Mao 10.221 Leaders and Role Models 10.222 Science and Technology 10.223 Youth and Education 10.224 Cultural Revolution 10.3 Contemporary Graphic Arts 10.31 Four Modernizations Era 10.32 Contemporary Advertising

The Savasana, which is known as the most important exercise in Yoga as it is the entrance to Raja Yoga - the awakening point. Here is the process http://www.thetaobums.com/index.php?showtopic=11802

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Try reading Eva Wong's book: Cultivating Stillness: A Taoist Manual for Transforming Body and Mind http://www.shambhala.com/html/catalog/items/author/265.cfm -Although- I think that as you read the obviously Taoist books you will find that Kundalini 'is' a taoist practice of meditation - it is also in The Secret of The Golden Flower http://taoism.about.com/od/scriptures/qt/goldenflower.htm - Elizabeth Reninger, the About.com Guide, is fairly deep into the subject as well as many others - and may reply to an e-mail... I would sign up first for her Free Taoism Newsletter. If you are worried about Kundalini, maybe a better path is to work through your worries as Kundalini is one of what I consider the two fundamental practices of meditation. If you find other styles, please write me, I am forever searching for more practices of meditation. I did write a thread on a form of meditation, The Savasana, which is known as the most important exercise in Yoga as it is the entrance to Raja Yoga - the awakening point. http://www.thetaobums.com/index.php?showtopic=11802 Christmas Humphreys - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christmas_Humphreys - wrote a book: Concentration and Meditation: Manual of Mind Development that has a few Buddhist practices that includes conceptionalization techniques, based in meditation, as well as others.

Are you talking Stalin or Marx/Lenin? Read this: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marxism-Leninism

It seems, if you have patience, You are ready to begin on the path. Physical preperation is one of the keys Mentaly, It is not about what you think For knowledge to come: make room for it. Mornings, The Kundalini, Evenings, The Savasana. Daily, enjoy life, ride a bike to a nice place, Meditate. Temples are built in the mountains with many park benches Here are the keys that you will need for the Savasana - the rest is mainly toys. http://www.thetaobums.com/index.php?showtopic=11802 Some eye candy on meditation: http://www.dailymotion.pl/video/x1da00_spi...lity-pt2_people http://www.dailymotion.pl/video/x1da8v_spi...-pt3_shortfilms http://www.dailymotion.pl/video/x1dae5_spi...ty-pt4_creation http://www.dailymotion.pl/video/x1daj2_spi...eality-pt5_blog http://www.dailymotion.pl/video/x1danq_spi...eality-pt6_news http://www.dailymotion.pl/video/x1dapv_spi...lity-pt7_people http://www.dailymotion.pl/video/x1dijt_spi...lity-pt8_school

It really doesn't sound like much except the old Yin-Yang reversal to Yang-Yin. The truth about is that it is the full circle of Life to Non Life to Life & back. The problem with Taoist Phillosophy is that it has been totaly reduced. It is in its most simple form as created by a master in meditation. It becomes the salt of the sea, the Oxygen of the air. Rising above it all, it becomes like a forrest. All is tied together through the Earth. We only need to comprehend time. Non Being is death, Being is life. It is one. A circle. O If Being originates in Non-Being, then life originates in death. To know the two, we must meditate A.K.A: Non Being in Life. Knowledge is understanding. Understanding is controll. Controll is choosing. BirthMother. http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x1dijt_sp...lity-pt8_school It is the same topic I began : http://www.thetaobums.com/index.php?showtopic=11802