~jK~

I agree - it is off topic. What I wrote is a reply to the Tibetan videos posted. When you post propaganda - you got to expect a response. What happened in 1949 in Tibet simply ended a war that has been ongoing for a thousand years. Read History. I have studied Tibetan buddhism and still do read it at times but like I wrote before - it is too much BS to wade through. Even the videos posted say that it is a secret that can make the practioner crazy - Watch The Videos posted. No Buddhist temples in Nanjing??? This is becoming a bit of a response to a ... fabrication. I found 92,200 websites relation to nanjing buddhist - including a 1,000 year old temple in Nanjing. http://www.google.com.au/search?hl=en&...mp;aq=f&oq= I've been in China for over 12 years and have travelled - by bus, train and plane throughout China's southern borders from Hong Kong to Vietnam & Burma & Nepal, eastern shores from Hong Kong to Beijing and quite a bit of territory in between. I speak & write the language as well as have 2 students that I worked with, one with a Masters in Chinese History, another with a BS in Asian languages. Watch or read China TV in English or Chinese : http://english.cctv.com/01/index.shtml Hong Kong Public TV - schedule only http://schedule.tvb.com/pearl/ and http://www.hkatv.com/v3/schedule/schedule-world.html

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They use Cyanide in the mining process for gold... it helps them find it and it stops theives - dead.

Examining the Chinese character for Tao, 道 the meaning becomes more clear. Beginning on the left, is a foot & ankle for walking on the higher path which is the top portion that has a couple of ticks '' meaning the greater things that happen on the path. The central figure is an eye for sight. In China, seeing is understanding. This last sentence seems small but it was taken by The Royal Society of England in the 16th century and made into what is now called "the Scientific Method." Before that time what was seen as science was based on the belief system... The word Taoism implies the philosophy of Lau Tze but to be truthful, it has grown much greater. Lao Tze pointed to the 3 greats of the Tao as: 1-Tao as all that is and its functions. 2- Yin and Yang: the opposites which allow us to see the perspectives of change 3- Leadership is that which allows us humans to rise above our frail selves to achieve true greatness. *** In China, the Tao is seen as a type of common knowledge based on family values and the I Ching which is known as the Ba Gua (Pronounced Bah Gua) or language of 8 as a method of examining an idea from 8 different perspectives and subdividing these 8 points into 6 further points. Of the I Ching books that I am familar with there are : The Taoist I Ching, The Buddhist I Ching, The Confucian I Ching, and the King Wen & Duke of Chow authored I Ching which is about governing the people. In Education it is "The Students rules" which is a 186 stanza of guidelines that each student must memorize by age 15. Many children have it commited to memory by age 8. It gives the students a clear perspective of what is expected of them as well as a behavior method for the good students / good children in relation to school and home. Here is a copy http://tsoidug.org/dizigui_trans_simp.php What makes The Tao so different? I would say that largely it is from being new as well as from 1/2 of the way around the world. Then comes into play the point that China has been developing for many, many more years than the west. And of course there is the emphasis on family. There is no need for social security if they have children . As well in their seeing that they will reincarnate through their children - so their actions toward their children create their future personal heaven or hell. Their children become their primary investment for their next life's happiness. Education is seen as a developmental process for the family that will last as long as the family lasts... So how can the Tao work with the rest of the world? The Tao has within its ability a key that can open the door to world peace. It has been happening for some time now. A realistic philosophy has begun to replace the ancient western belief systems with a way that can be experienced and will benefit all of society. What is this key? Carl G. Jung noted Buddhist philosophy as the mental health system of Asia. Based on education rather than belief systems. It is a point that almost all serious meditators arrive at eventualy - But I think that I've written enough - here is a web page that can do much better than I can. http://www.amtbweb.org/tchquote.php

I agree - all living things evolve. As well - it seems that the non-living things - devolve. Oddly though - it seems that humanity tends to do a cyclic philosophical evolution/devolution in opposing relation to the economy. 1929 was an era for economic downturn but creative upturn for the arts. My grandfather saw it as being distracted by too much mass entertainment. - mainly TV, movies and the distractions that money could buy . .

One field of the information contained with in The Secret of the Golden Flower that is rarely talked about is the point of Astral Projection. Below I have posted some of the URL's of the pictures - some are different but they convey the same message. The point in question is covered in the book through the pictures captioned as: Meditation stage 1: The circulation pattern of the breath AKA: the light is formed. The breath begins as you inhale and proceeds downward to your abdomen, then to your genitals, then up your spine through the 7 Chakras with the last being chakra # 6 & 7. Video: Pictures from GF: http://www.alchemylab.com/ealch-s1.jpg http://static.newworldencyclopedia.org/thu...00px-Stage1.gif , Meditation stage 2: The embryo is formed (a new self that can seperate from the body) http://www.alchemylab.com/e1alch-s1.jpg Meditation stage 3: The new self seperates from the body but is still attached to the body - this points to being controlled by the body while developing different attributes http://www.alchemylab.com/b1alch-s1.jpg Meditation stage 4: Here I need to add a bit on the subject of Chinese culture: In China, The Number 4 is seen as death which, in this case, I see it as representing the final objective. The relation is this: the Number 4 is drawn like a body in a box or casket: 四 . man is this: 人 - in the box, the man is divided into body & soul seperated. The picture: http://farm1.static.flickr.com/96/25527646...b386af6.jpg?v=0 At the present I am seeing this as an extension of the study of Kundlini yoga that uses the final stage of Kundalini through the passing of Chakra #7 to make an interface with the world. Any Comments either hypothetical or conjecture or experience related ?

The best advice on learning the Full Lotus is "don't" - at least not all at once. Ease into it slowly. A Zafu will help but they are expensive to buy - but easy to make. Here are a few pictures on using them and other cushons: http://www.dharmacrafts.com/100xMB/2INFO01...ure-photos.html I like them but I make my own by just using a few throw cushons... Also -I tink you will soon discover that a full lotus is not necesary. I meditate on park benches, laying in bed, walking, standing in line, riding the bus... I suggest to get this book to beginners as well as most others: The Five Tibetans http://www.10ac.com/five_tibetans_book.htm It is easy to understand - 85 pages of large print and 10 pages of the 85 pages are pictures. The section on Kundalini yoga is best to learn the basics of meditation in chapters 2,3,4,5,6 and 9

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Learn the math in relation to what they say and you will not need to throw sticks & stones - you will know the answer even before you can go to find your yarrow sticks.

Yes: http://www.amazon.com/Buddhist-Ching-Shamb...s/dp/1570626030 It is written by a Confucian scholar that later became a Buddhist monk. Translated by Cleary. It gives the Confucian (yang) perspective as compared to the meditation (Yin) perspectives of the examination process of the I Ching - In Chinese - I Ching is called Ba Gua or The Language of 8 The I Ching math was the foundation of the computer chip... 8, 32, 64 etc... It begins with Binary math: 2 X 2 = 4 X 2 = 8 X4 = 32 x 2 = 64 X2 = 128... It is in Scientific American - May of 1970. The I Ching is also a double helix - the same as a DNA molecule - http://www.karolynzeng.com/universalcode.html DNA: http://ghr.nlm.nih.gov/handbook/illustrati...nastructure.jpg And the same shape as a directional antennae: http://www.digdice.com/wp-content/uploads/2007/10/helix2.jpg As well as The double helix nebula: http://www.universetoday.com/am/uploads/double_helix.jpg OF WHICH - if you add these together- it also points to Astrology influencing the DNA - AND to take another step - That if Life is Energy - it would be attracted by alike genetics - as in have a tendency to reincarnate. The Chinese live by this: We create our own future heaven and hell through how we care for our children.

Each translator has their own perspective - although the 2nd, 3rd etc has the added advantage of seeing the others work. And the obligation not to copy... The original being the best as translated by Wilhelm. but Cleary's 3rd dimension comes next etc - etc... Cleary's best work is with the I Ching series where, to the best of my knowledge, he is the original translator. THE BUDDHIST I CHING, THE TAOIST I CHING and The I Ching of organization (Confucianism) Akrishi sounds Japanese - no Chinese would take a Japanese name.

I Agree - the 3 constants are the mind, body and breath. The Symbols are 2 tigers on a leash held by a dragon. The variables are how to use them to make the elixir. Methinks that first they must be fine tuned. Pure vegan food, pure water, pure mind. Timing is the missing element. Patience, a tradition, Is expected. Is Drawn by suspending 2 swords over a beating heart. http://www.orientaloutpost.com/shufa.php?q=patience Chinese joke of how foreigners try to meditate with the bio-Chemistry of a death experience (AKA: Adrenalin) circulating in their body from the beefsteak they just ate. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ A small Gift: A perpetual Chinese Calendar - it goes from 1900 to 2060. Take a little time to explore the website before you download - it will make it easier - especially as he gives 2 versions: one is for computers that cannot write in Chinese & the other one is for computers that can. http://www.lunarcal.org/SiteMap.html It is easily programable to your location ... If any problem, e-mail me. It was first developed in 2637 BC. I find it very handy for many things such as: I Allways go out girl hunting betwen the 15th (full moon) and the 22... it never misses with the misses If you study this just a little - you will find a key to the study of Tao in the timing of the universe. Chinese medicine is based on this, life cycles (5 X 12 = 60) is based on it - as well as the seasonal comparisons. Spring is a time for beginning Summer is developing fire. Fall compared to harvest. Winter is death. Dong Zhi (translates to Eastern Child coming) is Winter Soltice AKA: Christmas. It seems complicated but that is just because it is new. All Chinese holidays etc revolve around this calendar. I've used this program for about 10 years, on many types of computers, with no problem. "The Chinese calendar comprises 60-year cycles called the Sexagenary Cycle. Each year of the cycle is given a name and is made up of two parts - the Celestial Stem and the Earthly Branch. There are 10 Celestial Stems and 12 Earthly Branches:-" By the way, I am an OX. http://www.squidoo.com/2009YearOfTheOx

Jade02, Please send me the page numbers so that I don't need to read the book to find a few words. I'll try to give you the translation key - which is based on comparison. Thanks. ~jK~

Vajrahridaya, As it seems you like to fiddle with Tibetian Buddhism - I am wondering if you've seen any of "The Secret of the Golden Flower" material in Tibetian Buddhism ? From what I've read - China sent a wife for the leader of Tibet, in the 13th century, to try to calm the feudal styled nation down. Supposedly she carried a book on Buddhism. ~ A bit over 20 years ago, when I began my formal education into meditation, I practiced the Savasana during which I began to have Out of Body Experiences (OBE or Astral Projections) It doesn't take much of a leap to see the purpose of OBE's to be in choosing the next life. Also - The drawings within "The Secret of the Golden Flower" point to this possibility... To be honest, it fits within the Tibetian style of reincarnation like a glove.

Hi - I found this Great website of the Chinese classics that led me here... It was at Akrishi's Yahoo Geocities website - http://hk.geocities.com/akrishi0/index.htm The bad news is that Yahoo is closing all Geocities websites very - very soon and if he does not have a copy - then he is going to loose a lot of work. A better news is that I have some of the work that he has translated - by other authors - that I have studied and practiced for some years - namely "The Jade Emperor's Mind Seal Classic." He has it as "The Jade Emperor Heart Seal Sutra " but the Chinese matches. Good to find U guys here - by the way I am a Furrrrriner

Of course it is not complicated for you. As you define - you create more complications untill it is a forrest unending - which - infinity cannot have a path to escape. To begin understanding - one must rise above the trees. On the point of Enlightenment - in Chinese: Mein Bak: means understanding. Literal translation: I see the sun and moon as white. or I see the sun and moon clearly. Sun & moon are the symbols of Yin & Yang which is the symbol for Tao. Tao in Chinese means path/road/way. The word god is substituted for nature as in: The God of Gravity - or - The Nature of gravity. Once loosing the concept of god - seeing nature becomes the Way of the Tao .

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Wow - so many extremes of prescriptions for prescriptions. Is Definitive Complicated or is Complicated Definitive? Whatever - do what works for you. The Buddha meditated 7 years. To be honest, I'm as happy as a fat hog in warm mud on a cold day with what meditation has done for me. The belief system is good for playing with hypothesis - but science is based on the experiences of reality. Speaking of complicated belief systems... What is this that you posted: "Guru Rinpoche, Buddha of the three times, Lord of all siddhis who is the one of great bliss, Dispeller of all obstacles, wrathful tamer of Mara (delusion), We supplicate you; please grant your blessings. Grant your blessings that outer, inner and secret obstacles be pacified" And that our intentions be spontaneously accomplished.""

Cleary, Wilhelm & the rest are all good translators - but they are only translators - largely saying the same. The one sentence: "Meditate and all else will come to you" will give you the understanding you need. Before a farmer plants his field, he emptys it for the new growth to be a little more obvious as well as to give it a chance. What I have discovered is that - all that is - is obvious. IF I can slow down long enough to see it. Here is one of my favorite toys: Archetecture says: "Form follows Function." But what does this have to do ~ with the price of big monkey poo in a zoo? What do most buddhist 'monistaries' have in common? And another: To see the truth - you cannot follow all the rest And you must read & understand the above. Why the shroud of hidden secrets? Actually it is not the Davinci Code. Although - it is a Lot of fun when, that Chinese guy jumps out and- shouts: SUPLIZE ! But if you prefer the other route: The Jade Emperor Heart Seal Sutra The three articles for the elixir, are spirit, prana and essence. (~..~)

The Buddha said: "Meditate and all else will come to you" ... It seems to have worked for him... But what other secrets?