Tanemon

I'm sure this will seem like a pretty general question, but hopefully it will be less than vague. I'm interested in developing my ability to heal - heal others and, yes, myself too. Is there a qigong approach that makes this its chief aim? I'm thinking of healing that would actually manifest on the physical (and immediate human energetic) levels. From talking with people, I know that some people have taken up qigong with fairly specific goals along the lines of martial arts, and that's not my personal interest. I don't want to stir up controversies or rivalries amongst adherents to different styles of qigong. Rather than evoking responses about "the best" approach, I think I'd rather just hear about what you know to be a good approach - and why you feel it's good. Thanks.

Thanks for all the responses and discussion so far. I've been occupied and away from the Web, but will take time to carefully read through the repiles. Thanks again. Tanemon

Okay. Cryptic... but you're here. Again, I'll ask a few things... About the healing dimensions - and I'm being a bit narrow, I guess, and thinking about physical healing: What happened with your initial healing experiments? The injured lizard was "cooked" (presumably with healing energy? or just from his earler injury??). So, I mean, besides being blissed-out, did he physically improve at all? How about your own body with the healing beams? did you find improvement in things you felt/knew needed to be healed? And, during the time you've described in your first post on this thread, did the healing beams that you were able to direct have noticeable positive outcomes with respect to other people's ailments? What about your development as a healer since the stories shared in your post? Thanks.

well, it's an active thread agains, but... Winpro07, are you around these days?

Okay, I know this is now an old thread - BUT I'm hoping, Winpro07, that you're still interested in discussing the story you've told here. A fascinating one, to say the least. About the healing dimensions - and I'm being a bit narrow, I guess, and thinking about physical healing: What happened with your initial healing experiments? The injured lizard was "cooked" (presumably with healing energy? or just from his earler injury??). Besides being blissed-out, did he physically improve at all? How about your own body with the healing beams? did you find improvement in things you felt/knew needed to be healed? And, during the time you've described, did the healing beams that you were able to direct have noticeable positive outcomes with respect to other people's ailments? What about your development as a healer since the stories shared in your post? Thanks.

I know what you're saying - and basically agree with it. Only because I've seen examples of it... the resistance. At the same time, I was certainly raised and educated in the Western traditions. About nine years ago, I experienced amazing shifts on all levels, the physical certainly incuded, when I was initiated ("attuned") into Reiki. Of course, this followed on the heels of much yoga meditation (20 years), and also time spent with spiritual people, time spent in wild nature, etc. Possibly those people whose conscious and unconscious surrounding culture is more accepting of spiritual and energetic influences do have an easier time of it. Seems like. Yes, your points are well taken. It has always interested me that in the last 100 years some very powerful healings and healers have occured within non-modern, non-Western cultures - such as those in the Native-Indian Americas, the Philippines, China, Japan, Tibet, India, etc. These societies and cultures now have some persons living in them with a thoroughly "modern, materialistic" mindset, but maybe this only makes "miraculous" healings all the more impressive, by the contrast... the "surprise factor". LOL

A few years back, a young Native-Canadian ("Indian") boy called Adam received high level publicity in Canada and elsewhere when he cured, by distance treatment, the tumorous cancer condition of a music celebrity, Ronnie Hawkins. When he did this, he was still in high school, and his mother did not want him to launch a career or publicly use his real or full name. She wanted him to finish high school first. Adam has said he is able to visualize organs and cells in the people he treats. He is then able to use this occult visual sense in the healing or treatment process, wherein he apparently corrects things deliberately at the cellular level.

I was communicating with another person on another board, and we were discussing Chinese and Japanese energy practices (including seated meditation techniques). Anyhow, I was describing my experiences with Reiki attunement and practice, and he replied that it was like cleaning "the shadow" out of the subconcious mind. In my opinion, this is where Reiki's strength lies - though I suppose it's the case that it may have a deeper or shallower effect on any given person, depending on the many factors in an individual case. Still, for the most part, I see the healing that it accomplishes as mainly in the first two categories that I described in my initial post on this thead, above. Sheng Zhen, you make a good point. However, I know some Reiki-ists who have used Reiki techniques and other methods and techniques, over time, to clear their subconscious minds. Some people (too bad it's not all, and perhaps it isn't even the majority) do take all this seriously. Some by the way learn qigong practices. Years ago, just after I got involved with Reiki, some people introduced me to the fact that in Japan the Reiki preliminary training and the attunements are considered starting points, and it is not believed that one who has them has become an accomplished healer, and certainly not a master of anything. I don't personally know of any situations in which people are thought of as truly effective healers after one weekend. Even in the West, what a person can learn at a workshop on a weekend is generally considered the barest beginning. But as I indicated before, I do not consider myself a representative of Reiki nor do I look at Reiki, as it is taught, as being "the best" of anything.

Does this ("the sage is not humane") imply that the sage, then, cannot be a friend? To me, "friend" or "friendship" implies trust. In living our lives day-to-day, a friend is someone you can trust. And, too, I associate the notion of "friend" with both knowing someone well and with mutuality - the available support of one person for the other. One person or the other (or both) may feel, much of the time, that he or she does not need support - but then, on occasion, probably each will feel that need. This reciprocity, I'd say, is humane. Also, I believe that friendship and reciprocity occurs "naturally" among people - not that everybody is capable to being someone's friend (that capability seems to vary). But it's a human capacity, like the capacity to enjoy beauty or learn math. I've seen what I'd recognize as friendship even among animals. Does Henrick's/Lao Tzu's lack of "humane"-ness just mean the sage is a pure elitist (and therefore regards most people as "straw dogs")?

Markern, are you (or have you been) one of Jim Nance's students? If not, how did you learn about him and contact him?

Sorry, I know how this thread started, and the topic is important and interesting. However, I found the thread through a search on a different topic, which was why I asked (above) the question I did (quoting the passage from one of Yoda's posts on this thread). I'm new to Tao Bums, and maybe people here try not to let threads drift from the original topic (?). Would you suggest I start another thread? Or can someone tell me, either here or via a private message, about how FU's are used and obtained?

I find this very interesting. I've heard of FU's before, but don't know much about them. I'm in a fairly isolated region, so I don't know that there are any practitioners offering this nearby - but maybe. Anyhow, I learn practices from people mostly based in cities, and I live on 9 acres of land where I do my practices (morning & evening self-dedication, micro-cosmic orbit, also self-forgeting medition of the tso-wang type) and also do gardening, building, DIY stuff, and money earning. (I joined The Tao Bums recently, so my self-intro will be on the first or second Lobby page, I think.) Anyhow, I've developed some minor from but annoying facial tics (above the left eye and on left side of my nose)... a byproduct of my qi practices, pretty sure. Any way to learn more about the FU?

An interesting thing about many of these very effective physical healers is that they attribute the healings to powers or entities outside of themselves. In other words, not to their own qi or qi that they have gathered through their practice. I have noticed this with Native-American medicine men, Brazilian psychic surgeons, and others. Their healings frequently involve tissue alterations - removal of tumors, rearragement of bone segments, restoration of organs. This type of healer conceives of the immediate source of the healings or cures as being a Source of unlimited capability. Some atttibute the healing power to s poweful spirit ally for whom they have been given a name. I live in Canada, and I remember that five or ten years ago, there was a national radio program segment about a healer visiting many North American churches, and this fellow could restore teeth - miraculous dental work was his thing, and he attributed it to God. I believe this "external source" may be a significant point. These healers may conceive of themselves as being quite ordinary and having no special talent at all.

Your points or insights are very interesting. On one particular point, which is implied in the wording: the thing I'd say is this term "faith healer" is a hold-over from the 1940s & '50s, I believe. The term was applied before the concept of qi was known in the West - so, many investigators figured the results derived from the placebo effect ("the power of faith"). Journalists and other writers picked it up and used it, but I believe it has nothing to do with the cultures in which these healers have emerged. I tend to think that sort of healing is not primarily a matter of faith, or later called "placebo". Having said this, I fully accept that rapport with the healer can be a positive factor in making the healing session go well, so "faith" (in the sense of giving oneself, as the recipient, to the session) can be a positive thing. But I don't feel it's the central factor. It's a lubricant.

Thanks for posting this. Yes, I believe there have been a lot of posts here at Tao Bums that would relate, in one way or another, to this thread. Here's one: http://www.thetaobums.com/index.php?showto...mp;hl=Sifu+Hata Note the "burning" bone in his arm. The word "miracle" when I use it is something I think of as going beyond the ordinary qi healings (as great and repsctable as those are - not belittling them). My friend Darcy told me about being allowed to watch the Brazilian healer do other sessions, after the one that cured his back. "Miracle" could be applied.

When you wrote about the "cases of this that I have heard about, the direction of the person's life radically changes of the better. Their miracle turns them toward spiritual pursuits, or community service, or a more healthful lifestyle, or toward better interactions with those around them. So clearly, yes, the direction of their lives will inevitably change when this level of healing occurs, which I suppose you could say means that their destiny changed." - well, yes I agree. That's what I was getting at before: miracles can happen (do happen, sometimes), and too there is no sense in denigrating a physical-healing outcome (cure) simply because it's "physical". Because it can allow the healed person to go on with physical life, and to evolve and do creative, contributive things. Personally, I respect healers who can work efficaciously at all the various levels: physical, emotional, mental, and spiritual.

I'm afraid the trails have gone cold. Both inidents happened 15 years ago or more. I had no personal need to follow these healers up at the time, so did not go to Brazil or the Philippines myself. I became re-interested in this whole realm of healing by spiritual/energetic means after I was attuned to Reiki in 2000. Slowly I began to wonder about the whole field, its levels of efficacy, and all of that. Darcy (guy whose bad back was cured) has moved out of my region. I think Darcy was probably worked on by a predecessor of John of God. It seems that in certain places in the world (Brazil, the Philippines, China, etc) there are always advanced healers working - and generally more than one, though one may get to be especially famous at any given point in time.

Okay. Ya Mu, what is the path to listening/linking?

I respect your viewpoint. But allow me to tell the story of two friends. One friend, Darcy, who was in his early 30s at the time, had bad back trouble after a car accident. He'd had surgery, physiotherapy, the whole modern-Western bit. Yet he was still in discomfort and often in pain. He got the problem cured in one session by a South American spiritual healer. Another person I knew a little (actually the mother of a close friend of mine) had emphysema - a result of many years of cigarette smoking. But she got this condition cured in a single session by a Philippine "psychic surgeon." The cure was confirmed in the X-rays and general exams her doctors made when she returned to Canada. Now, yes, she had tempted fate via her many years of smoking, her lack of exercise, and I believe also her diet. And that was sad, I'd say, and not very self-responsible. However, the experience of the cure convinced her of the power of the spirit. It convinced her that intangible realities and higher orders of reality are a fact. Because I knew these people personally, I felt inclined to take their stories pretty seriously. I say this even though I've never myself had the experience of providing healing at the level I've just described. Okay, now the woman (mother of my friend) was middle-aged. But with the young guy, I'd say that his cure enabled his positive destiny... I can't see that it harmed his destiny. He'd have continued to try to get relief, but he found relief through the means he found it.

Thanks for the reply, Ya Mu. That's fine. I have my own criticisms of Reiki, and I believe in open discussion. Yes, this schema makes sense from the spiritual perspective. It makes sense to me, in terms of an ascending order. Actually, this perspective has emerged in a lot of Reiki-circle discussions too. I understnd what you're saying. Yet I would add a caveat, and make another comment... For one thing, most people - if they have a physical-level problem (a condition, and infection, a chronic muscle spasm, etc) - will seek help. They go to physicians (who may employ antibiotics, or surgery, or whatever), physiotherapists, chiropractors, acupunturists, etc. In all cultures and at all times, most people have availed themselves of resources like these. My question is: why can't a person, under such a circumstance, go to an effective energy healer who can work skillfully at the physical-level (or even a psychic surgeon)? Especially if he or she can locate one! Can't one get fixed up physically and still pursue his destiny? Now as to Reiki: in my experience, Reiki can (I don't say always will) be astonishingly effective in tems of cleaning out the emotions, reintegrating a person emotionally, improving mood, improving the immune functions that resist disease, inceasing the amount of ordinary daily 'get it done' energy, etc. But Reiki is not, in my experience, directable - and it is not especially efficacious on the purely physical level. I experienced huge benefit - that I still feel and marvel at nine years later - from my fiirst Reiki attunement. (By the way, I'm sure it's clear that I'm not talking about a 'Reiki healing session'.) I'm grateful for it. Maybe it was just what I needed at the time. But I fully realize that batting the ball is only part of playing baseball, if you get what I mean.

I realize I did not put the topic in my post into a strictly Taoist or Taoist-practice framework. Was I wrong in thinking that the general topic of healing via spiritual means/methods might be a topic of interest to people here? 48 views and no comments... please give me a clue.