effilang

The thrusting vessel is not included in the Micro-cosmic orbit, only in the Macro-cosmic orbit and during other activities.

That's strange because I have listened to those CD's myself and he clearly leads you around the MCO. Working directly on the Taiji Pole is a sort of direct Zen-esque approach to cultivation where what would naturally result, is coaxed into being through visualisation.

Nothing out of the ordinary : ) I've used the path outlined in TY for the 8 extra. Yi Jin Jing and Xi Sui Jing have been a regular part of my practice for a long time now. Insofar as done? I can't really say there have yet been any results other than very strong Qi. Often too strong to handle and I start getting my body and hands moved in all manner of directions. I prefer to do the forms standing because then I can really feel the energy flowing down and up my legs. It took me a while to hit the sweet spot between contracting the muscles and relaxing them. If you contract too hard its no good if you don't contract it's also no good. When the pressure is perfect I feel a gentle but strong LONG pulsation during each movement.

Time focuses on me. Unfortunately mine would be unimaginably boring, but maybe I will soon : )

Those deep 5 minute meditations.

Place a candle in front of you and stare at it with the intention for the wick to fire up spontaneously. That's intention. You will feel it. Simply wish it to be so and apply your mind and heart to it. You need not know how it works. Once you master that feeling. Use it when you "intend" to heal someone or send energy from a distance. You may also visualize the effect you are causing, although if your mind is not one-pointed enough you may just hinder the process with your imagination.

I have heard of a lot of non-standard pathway connections with different schools. I know of A to F going up the Du mai and then at F cutting a straight line through the body to K. Also F cutting a straight line to H and even from A up the Du mai and up the Ren mai simultaneously. There seem to be a lot of different ways to mix the essence of the pathways to create varying cocktails of energy with special results and functions. About the heel breathing, yes, whenever my legs are tired I breath in through the inside of the legs up to the Hui Yin. Your pathways sound very interesting. I wouldn't dare attempt it, because sometimes we are guided internally through intuition to perform differing exercises and they can often be very specific to the constitution of the respective practitioner and may be just what you need at that time, but prescribe it to someone else and it may cause a problem if the body is not prepared for the task. You're doing very well in your practice it seems. Try running the macro-cosmic orbit and engaging all 8 of the extras.

I see what you mean now! Yes, but you have: - The Wheel of Law (Manual) - The Wheel of Law (Automatic) The manual circulation I understand is by breathing first from the heels up the Yin Channels of the legs to the Hui Yin and into the Du Mai to the Bai Hui and from there exhaling to drop the Postnatal Qi down the Ren Mai past the Xia Dan Tien and to the Hui Yin. - For this process the manual external respiration is used through the opening and closing mechanism. The manual circulation then triggers the automatic internal respiration, in all accomplishing 4 events: Two. manual and two automatic, namely: 1. The ascent of Postnatal Qi from the heels to the brain via the yin leg channels and governing vessel. 2. The descent of Postnatal Qi from the brain to the hui yin via the control vessel Intermediary event: The vibration of Prenatal Qi in the Xia Dan Tien as a result of manual circulation. . 3. The ascent of Prenatal Qi from the Xia Dan Tien via the hui yin and up the governing vessel to the brain. 4. The descent of Prenatal Qi from the brain to the hui yin via the control vessel. From what I understand this then causes the Prenatal Qi to circulate automatically. Although I am not sure if this process refers to the standard MCO or is a different configuration that must include the yin leg channels in order to cause a second vibration in the Xia Dan Tien, different from the fist vibration encountered during the initial stages of JING conservation and transmutation prior to opening the orbit. Maybe Drew will chime in on this one if he has time.

Hoping to get it done around July of 2014 The EU website will be up by the start of the year so you can visit it for event details through my forum signature.

It's an acronym for a mantra we use in our school to ward off strong Yin energy, especially from corpses. After spiritual initiation a disciple will have the authority to manifest the energetic function of the mantra.

A paraphrase from Taoist Yoga: From Thread: http://thetaobums.com/topic/32089-hou-tian-vs-xian-tian-xiao-yao-pai/?p=485064

Do you know of another name for this Four-Fold Orbit? - I'm not familiar with the expression. Obviously just heckling, as you can see below. He is on the wrong forum TBH.

John Chang? Really?.... I rest my case.

it is useful, because doubt and fear kills more dreams than failure ever will and due to some posters on this forum which I consider to be inexperienced, impressionable novices whom come here to learn end up reading discouraging warnings like the below. And then try to backpedal their way out of their own bullshit by claiming they never said it. Yes, I think it's not only useful, but an imperative service to uphold the reality of the truth while eliminating false statements. Especially in an educational environment. It's not just about standing up for what you believe in, but for what others have a right to experience without fear. Why do you think I didn't bother replying to all the questions in his last post? He claims to have been practising for 20 years, yet is asking me kindergarten type questions regarding alchemy and making completely anti-Taoist statements about spiritual cultivation, such as staying away from MCO and negating the transmutation of energy. When someone says that on a forum like this, their credibility goes right out the window. Yet, they want to instruct people... If the engineer wants his questions answered, he need only search for my posts on this forum. I have answered them all before, including cancer treatment which is standard practice in Qi Gong healing. Traveler, if you'd like you can add me to Skype: effilang Perhaps we can exchange some reading material? Indeed. Because our view is dependent on our experience. Our view is always valid, but that does not make it right nor does it apply to everyone en masse.

Yes. There should be some good posts in the Taoist Yoga thread. We had lengthy discussions there on alchemy. Not sure where it is though Looks like someone started another one recently: http://thetaobums.com/topic/31556-unraveling-taoist-yoga/

Good luck with your practise Mr.

Actually: Vitality is QI The Vital Breaths are the Qi of the 5 Yin Organs. (That is why the 5 return to the 3 and the 3 return to the 1) Generative Force is JING Generative Fluid is semen Spirit is Shen

If you think that then you do not understand Taoist alchemy and should not be advising others on what to practice and what not to practice. Can you invite these people here to talk about their experiences? Since telling someone in a Taoist forum frequented by many enthusiastic novices, that the foundational practices of spiritual Taoist alchemy are dangerous and should not be practised. They are in the Micro and Macro CO, and that's what this thread and your reply are about. I am relating the terms to Qi in a meridian and not an electrical circuit. For your information, I am not an engineer. In my illustration the bladder is the LDT, the urethra is the Du Mai and the urine is the Jing before transmutation. The pipe doesn't burst in Taoist alchemy. The Jing is transmuted through mind-celibacy into a substance which vibrates faster. is lighter and has less density. Yes I have the ability to lead Qi in my body and in the body of others and have developed a sensitivity to it through meditation. I am certain because I have used my body as a laboratory and have derived factual data through numerous experiments: The results are the same as with anyone who practices alchemy in a Wu Wei and Zi Ran state of body and mind; only good things happen. We are not dealing with dead energy in alchemy. It is intelligent energy that exists in different forms. There are careful timings which must be respected and followed during alchemy. Timings of the heavenly bodies, timings of the man's body and timings of the earth in order to know whether the mind should be active or inactive, the breath still or moving, the force exerted or pacified. If the mind is Yang and visualizing when it should be Yin to facilitate an automatic process, then you can cause problems. But this is in no way exclusive to alchemy. The same goes for any operation under the sun. If the user is incompetent or poorly trained, the odds of a negative outcome increase. Being an engineer doesn't mean you will understand alchemy. They are not analogous practices. Otherwise spiritual cultivation would have been in your textbooks considering it's significance. The energy does not stay the same. Through appropriate practice, the vibration of the energy constantly rises and it's density decreases, until it gradually pierces through the 3rd dimension and into the 4th and 5th. Transmutation is the basis of Taoist alchemy. If you do not agree with this, then you do not understand it and you should not be advising people on the topic. If the JING didn't transmute to QI through the appropriate practices then you would simply ejaculate involuntarily when the LDT filled up, as does everyone.

I highly doubt that your efforts in running the orbit before the belly had stirred contributed to the belly stirring or the golden light shooting up the spine to break past the three gates. Rather it was probably your sexual sublimation that helped compound the energy in the LDT until it began to vibrate and move, indicating it was time for it to travel up the spine. This is the genuine spontaneous movement of the energy up the spine and it NEED not be directed by visualisation. It's automatic. I feel so much joy reading your post to know that you have achieved this. Much success on your path : )

Mr. please stop with the scare tactics. The Ren and Du meridians have Qi flowing through them constantly, they are the sea of Yang and Yin Qi through which energy is delegated to all other meridians in the body, the remaining 6 extraordinary and 12 regular mai. Current is like flow and speed. Voltage is the energy. If you fill your bladder to max with urine and then take a leak is it going to make your urethra explode? - No. The pressure of a larger quantity of urine will simply make the liquid flow faster. That sort of speed is what is required to break through blockages in the meridian network. Like high pressure heated water through a rock. If you wanted to increase the quantity of the energy and still maintain the same speed you might have the pipe burst and that would be a problem, but that is not how alchemy works. The energy is transmuted up a step and becomes finer and not coarser, which means less dense and vibrating faster so MORE can flow through the same network and even faster, without needing for the meridian itself to change to accommodate it, or be upgraded. This is the energy transmuted, but after that the transmuted energy is further refined and this can change its property and also that of the meridians making them larger. It doesn't just happen like *snap* your fingers and that's it. It's a gradual process and the body is designed to prepare itself automatically to accommodate it. If you apply your acquired-ego-mind and try to override the design protocol THEN you can cause problems, but that's entirely the fault of the operator and not the machine. Plus the LDT is connected to the Ren Mai, Du Mai and Chong Mai in the body, so as the capacity and property of the LDT energy increases it naturally overflows into those meridians, which will feed and develop the remaining 17 channels. So Ren and Du are more than ready and capable of channelling the LDT energy when the time comes.

I think that there is a big difference between actively using the acquired mind to visualize an objective as a form of instruction and simply shifting the location of focused attention without aiming to achieve any particular outcome. One method is Wu Wei and Zi Ran where the mind is Yin and the body can be Yin or Yang, while the visualization method has the mind Yang and the body Yin or Yang. If the mind is Yang through visualization then you are using the lower and acquired-ego-mind and that is not the most effective method. Rippled water cannot reflect the moon perfectly. The MCO does not need visualization to run. The Du and Ren meridians have been running since before birth. Shifting focus is not the same as visualisation, and the former on it's own will do just fine. One is empty of mind and the other is full of mind. If one chooses to visualize it, they may, but that is akin to a person standing on a river bank and coaxing the water to flow faster by means of slapping it in the direction of it's flow in the aim to influence it's speed. Whether you do it or don't, the river will continue to flow. I'm not saying that visualization doesn't have it's uses or that it can't be applied to leading Qi. It can. But there is a clear distinction IMO between shifting focus from point to point for an action to take place and that of visualizing the action taking place in a manner subjective to the imagination of your self. There are so many methods to still the heart and pacify the mind of it's emotions and attachments and in thus doing to reach a Zen like state of mind and spirit and they have nothing to do with not ejaculating. In fact I could go and beat one off right now and come back and guarantee you that the level to which I have cultivated my mind/heart, wisdom and non-attachment will not be diminished. It is as though a monk who has been practising mindfulness and non-attachment for 10 years will all of a sudden lose all his enlightenments and wisdoms if he decides to go on a 1 month fapping spree. No. Here we are talking distinctly about cultivating JING, cultivating QI and cultivating SHEN. These can be cultivated interdependently of one another. That's not to say that they will not influence one another, because they are integrally connected, so they will, but to say that the heart/mind cannot be stilled or cultivated directly without accumulating JING first is completely nonsensical, since JING relates to the low vibrational, dense matter of the body and not the Qi-Shen interface of the mind and spirit. You said that he is projecting his Western Materialist views on the book, yet you are directly correlating the lack of wisdom achieved through developing the clarity and stillness of the heart, so that one may perceive reality directly to ejaculation. Ejaculation IS NOT tied to emotions, but we can add emotions to the process and bind though forms and concepts to the act of sexual stimulation and embed our own idiosyncratic programming into it, but you can easily ejaculate with a clear mind, even a still heart. So I very strongly disagree. Yes you can fill it and bad thoughts or any thoughts will not stop you from doing so. Good and Bad thoughts reside within the domain of the acquired-ego-mind, amidst that function, both good and bad it is a dichotomy of the discriminative mind. It is the awareness of this functional process that is required to attain the state of non-mind necessary for proper alchemy, but that has nothing to do with the nature of your thoughts, but your DETACHMENT from them. If you think it does then you are trying to use the ego to train the ego and that is like a hamster on a wheel chasing a piece of imaginary cheese. The mind (Zhi Shen) must become like a blank canvas, awaiting the brush of the master painter (Yuan Shen). It is not the function of the acquired-ego-mind and it's discriminative process such as good and bad thoughts that fill the LDT, but the detachment from that trap completely. There are MANY exercises and techniques that will help focus the energy into the LDT when you practice daily and what you have in your head at the time of practice makes no difference, whether you want to visualize whole galaxies being sucked into your LDT like a black hole or whether you want to visualize young virgins massaging your LDT, its up to you. They are all legitimate Taoist practices, and the virgins massaging the LDT is actually part of an actual Taoist practice for filling the LDT! Filling the LDT is concerned more with Qi Gong, food/drink, sexual regulation, physical exercise and ingestion of herbs, the accumulated energy of which is then focused through EMPTY attention on your LDT. At this point the nature of your thoughts have nothing to do with it. You can have bad thoughts in your head and still perform all manner of Qi manipulation, the Qi of your body does not discriminate, but your acquired-ego-mind does.

Interesting Wu Shi Flowing Hands, how would you have reacted and what would you think of your spiritual efforts and life thus far, had TSLJ replied to you, that us XYP guys weren't fooling ourselves at all, and actually he had connected us all personally to a Xian/Tian Shen and are his disciples? What reaction would that prompt in you and what would be the reason you feel that way?

The title you used for this thread speaks much about you, FH. Don't be so sour and learn to appreciate the happiness of others. Your pride spills out of your every oriface.

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