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For Drew: By not moving above X and below Y, do they mean that it is held there by concentration and when held onto there it will of its own slip into the LDT?

I still have a difficulty understanding EXACTLY what encompasses the successful gathering of the OUTER alchemical agent. This is important, because one must know when to roll the eyes to copulate the negative vitality of the outer alchemical agent with the positive vitality of the inner alchemical agent to produce spirit, which should be plunged into the LDT to be enveloped my Vitality. Hmm...

PAGE: Preface xiv So in TY, laying the foundation is considered manifesting the Cauldron in the ni wan, rather than just opening the MCO as as described in other books? PAGE: Preface xv This BRIGHT LIGHT is hsuan kuan, FROM which spirit emerges. So the bright light is not spirit?

This one confuses me. Can someone elaborate? Oh, I think this just made the last one clear. So Generative Force turns to the Outer Alchemical Agent through emptiness meditation to cook it, then it rises to the MDT to turn to Vitality, or more accurately... IT doesn't RISE, but rather the Cauldron coagulates into existence as the drops of QI condence into the MDT through the MCOs rotations?

PAGE: Preface xii Ok, fair enough. This is clear. I am guessing this pressure from the breathing during the closing mechanism means the diagphragm pressing down on the LDT on the in-breath? SO generative force is JING, which is driven into the orbit and through the cleansing and purification steps at D and J is converted into QI. So basically Its just rotating in this stream and every time it turns into Qi through D and J, it deposits a little newly formed QI into the MDT until the MDT is filled? PAGE: Preface xiii For Drew: See this is what Drew meant, that it can be done BOTH ways. It is what I understand as well, that you can either start by developing JING then QI then SHEN or first SHEN then QI then JING. So, WHILE putting the generative force into orbit... This means you've already initiated the MCO, so they are talking about the JING/QI/SHEN transformation route here, and not the SHEN/QI/JING as in in chapter one where you're advised to first Fix Spirit In It's Original Cavity. Please share your opinions.

Won't find any Taoist monasteries that I know of. Most temples, you can't really STAY to live in from what I know. Buddhist monasteries though. It's full of them in Europe. Google is your friend.

I understand now through reading what I just posted why rolling the eyes from A to D to G to J is also used to control things like lower sexual emotions of arousal that can cause ejaculation. >> Because that is negative, so by rolling the positive eyes and initiating the MCO u UNITE them and the Negativity is purified in the orbit. I guess this is why Drew says to do reverse breathing when the pervs are on you. I think you should roll your eyes too Drew to unite the two vitalities into one.

Perhaps we could also include Foundations of Internal Alchemy, by Wang Mu into the discussion.

For Drew: By not moving above X and below Y, do they mean that it is held there by concentration and when held onto there it will of its own slip into the LDT? PAGE: Preface xvi So the LDT vibrates more than once? At the initial stages of practice before the MCO and then later again? So the immortal foetus is SPIRIT enveloped by VITALITY in the LDT. Sort of like a human foteus in amniotic fluid?

PAGE: Preface xiv So in TY, laying the foundation is considered manifesting the Cauldron in the ni wan, rather than just opening the MCO as as described in other books? PAGE: Preface xv This BRIGHT LIGHT is hsuan kuan, FROM which spirit emerges. So the bright light is not spirit? I still have a difficulty understanding EXACTLY what encompasses the successful gathering of the OUTER alchemical agent. This is important, because one must know when to roll the eyes to copulate the negative vitality of the outer alchemical agent with the positive vitality of the inner alchemical agent to produce spirit, which should be plunged into the LDT to be enveloped my Vitality. Hmm...

I'd like to start first, by continuing the discussion that we were having yesterday with Drew and Ish and Dorian and the rest of the gang. PAGE: Preface xii Ok, fair enough. This is clear. I am guessing this pressure from the breathing during the closing mechanism means the diagphragm pressing down on the LDT on the in-breath? SO generative force is JING, which is driven into the orbit and through the cleansing and purification steps at D and J is converted into QI. So basically Its just rotating in this stream and every time it turns into Qi through D and J, it deposits a little newly formed QI into the MDT until the MDT is filled? PAGE: Preface xiii For Drew: See this is what Drew meant, that it can be done BOTH ways. It is what I understand as well, that you can either start by developing JING then QI then SHEN or first SHEN then QI then JING. So, WHILE putting the generative force into orbit... This means you've already initiated the MCO, so they are talking about the JING/QI/SHEN transformation route here, and not the SHEN/QI/JING as in in chapter one where you're advised to first Fix Spirit In It's Original Cavity. Please share your opinions. This one confuses me. Can someone elaborate? Oh, I think this just made the last one clear. So Generative Force turns to the Outer Alchemical Agent through emptiness meditation to cook it, then it rises to the MDT to turn to Vitality, or more accurately... IT doesn't RISE, but rather the Cauldron coagulates into existence as the drops of QI condence into the MDT through the MCOs rotations?

Man I sure hope all this stuff is cleared in JAJ's new book. *sweating As much as I love TYAI, there is a lot of repetition which can sometimes confuse me.

Nevermind, Sree.

There is suffering. The cause of suffering is craving. There is an end to craving. There is a path to the cessation of craving. These were theories very long ago. Now they are standards and one need only practice to realize their truth and benefits. Detachment from the 5 senses and the emotional reactions they elicit, is a direct result of practicing meditation properly. It is a by product of abiding in emptiness after the sixth consciousness has been tied up through an effective means. It is a result of letting go and requires Wu Wei, not a result derived from doing or wanting to do. That will only cause resistance and more blockages and pain. Detachment from the senses is instrumental in the success in every genuine spiritual practice, including Taoism : )

When you think of the body, we are just a collection of dying and birthing cells. We are never permanent, even on that cellular level. In fact, our physical bodies are the embodiment of transience. I can understand through this why most Buddhist traditions concentrate only on working on the mind. The faculties that develop thereafter, such as supernatural powers, become a capacity of our essential nature as much as a part of our essential life. I think that in the end, there is no difference between taking the body to the peak of its refinement by pulverizing it into through the disintegration of the elements AND whether you leap out of the Bai Hui and completely abandon the shell without it's assimilation. I could be wrong, but that is how I see it.

Hahaha. Funniest thing I've read all month.

Buddhaoism was just a witty term. I'm not sure if such a discipline OFFICIALLY exists, although many put it into practice in their lives already. In practice what really happens with cutting off the senses is something like this. On the left is how we normally experience what is taking place. The information is there in ultimate reality. Reality is not X or Reality is not Y. REALITY IS. IT is BEYOND the duality of discriminative conceptualisation. When you keep in Samadhi long enough, soon attachment to the senses begins to cut off. In this scenario, the benefit of it is that, you can perceive reality directly. It is not warped through the perception of the individual senses. And I use the word individual here on purpose, because everyone senses (touch, sight, smell etc.) all function differently ie: One person may be color blind, the other with slight hearing problems, the second with very thick and coarse skin; unable to sense tactile stimuli in the same way as you etc. Thus, the information we experience, when it is through our sense consciousness is our REALITY. That is why quantum physicists say, we create our own reality. What we want is to achieve what is on the right and detach from the senses so we can experience REALITY directly, indiscriminately. To answer your question. You don't actually cause yourself disability, you cause yourself ability. Ability to perceive and experience without the labor of emotional attachment. You learn to love without the attachment to love, which causes pain when love ceases. You learn to be compassionate and kind and caring, without waiting to receive anything in return. Every experience of the world brings an attachment with it to that experience, which in a way also diminishes the experience, because we are warping and distorting it again. So all these feelings we experience in life, hate, love, jealousy, envy, compassion etc. THAT we think we experience fully, we are not. Not while we are attached to them directly. So here is the benefit. In the diagram on the left, there is You. You experience through the senses. When you send out love, you experience the love again through the senses and then someone on the other end receives the love. This is the nature state of things in the world after birth. What we want to achieve is on the right. Can you see how the pink connection from You to the feeling of LOVE being emitted is gone? That is what happens when detachment from the senses is achieved or experienced. So you might say, ok, but... How do you experience something if you no longer experience it? This is the interesting part. What happens when you detach from the YOU. Is that another part of you emerges, which was always there, but you only become aware of it now, and this other part allows you to EXPRESS and EMIT an emotion, like love, without experiencing it through the senses. The senses on their own have a limited bandwidth, that is why i purposely made the pink line THIN. But when you cut off the 5 thieves, pacify the heart and detach from the emotions. Then you can channel and express your emotions directly through space (all that white area on the image). This medium of communication has no bandwidth limit and although it is CONNECTED to you, it is NOT attached to you. So you can emit and emotion or experience an event, but because it is not connected to you through the senses, the capacity and potential to become attached to it is completely ELIMINATED. You will be able to love and hate and be jealous and this and that, but you will not experience these things SENSUALLY any longer. The benefits of this is that, without the dual limitations of that pink line, your capacity to express and experience life becomes UNLIMITED. INFINITE. You can love stronger than ever before, be more compassionate than ever, be kinder than ever etc. Without limit, without the need for reciprocation. There will be NO craving. When a sight, or a sound or a smell enters the sense consciousness it will NOT stir the heart. You know how when you experience an emotion, sometimes you get that flash of emotion in your heart? That will never happen again. The heart dies. And the more the heart dies, the more wisdom develops and your original nature is revealed. I'm not sure if any of this is making sense, these are concepts and experiences which need to be felt by the practicer directly, but I have done my best to try and convey what has happened to me. The direct benefits of this process are that, you are calmer, composed, always thinking clearly. Never a prisoner to emotion. A lot of people at this point say, but if you cant feel something like LOVE anymore, then why live? Well that's not what really happens, but you need to experience it to understand. You still love and experience love, but love no longer experiences you or has a hold on you. I am just using LOVE as an example here, but this applies to all manner of emotion or sensations.

People don't shake enough. ITS AMAZING. 3-5 minutes of shaking, anytime of the day and BOOM!

Uggh.. Was looking at my tracking details today. Hopefully tomorrow. *LE SIGH! I think Ish has his.

Yes. I had an experience similar to Lin Ai Wei, with my mother too. I think I wrote about it here somewhere on the Bums, the day it happened. She has a history of cancerous growths and my little brother passed away from cancer too. Either way. She was at the docs to get her X-Ray and it came back with bad results. At the time, I was just meditating in my room. I had had glimpses of emptiness, my LDT was hot and vibrating violently. I felt like I had a raw potential in me, and for some reason I just knew intuitively that If projected the right intention through my will, a kind loving, caring and compassionate intention (the sort you'd have towards your mother), that somehow this energy would do what it needed to do and heal her. So, I put her on a short regiment for a few days. It was a major pain just to get her out of bed in the mornings. But, we stretched, did moving Qi Gong and Pranayama for 2 days then on the 3rd, I told her to sit down on a stool. So she did. Then I put my hands around her LDT and Ming Men and imagined that I was super-charing her LDT. Then I guided the energy in her LDT up her Governor and down her Conception. I didn't know the technical details of what I was doing, but without a doubt I could feel in my bones that every movement was exactly what it needed to be. Then I stopped with one hand in front of her heart and one behind on the GV and concentrated there and just projected Love and healing to her and imagined all the things on the X-Ray disappearing. As I was doing this, all of a sudden. My heart exploded like a firework and the energy spread throughout my chest. I knew then that I had done something good. Long story short. She went to the doctor after that for another scan and there was nothing on there and the Doc. shit a brick. Frankly so did I. Since then. It has been my goal in life to evolve myself through Taoism and Buddhism in order to unlock the capacities and develop the faculties to help and heal people. Anyhoo. I popped the cork one too many times after that and lost all that energy in the LDT, but Its coming back to me again now as I've been practicing steadily again.

Hi Lin, It would be great to hear a talk about this topic: http://thetaobums.com/topic/28549-buddhist-taoist-cultivation/

BUT, I will stress again, because I feel like I'm not giving it the credit it's due. Buddhism effectiveness in cultivating the mind and bringing about detachment by putting out the fire of the heart, was incomparable as far as I am concerned. The results I achieved there in a week were, I have never achieved anywhere else, not only my mind transformed profoundly, but my body too.

Theravada.

The one that had been meditating for 5 hours a day (mandatory) and 8 hours a day every 3 months of a year, for 20 years, was 60 years this year, so he started when he was 40. That's at least 36,500 hours of meditation. It's over 9 THOUSAAAAAAAAAAAAND!!! I don't know. It's just hard for me to understand, when there are system out there, effective enough to get people healing and performing helpful and compassionate skills in such short times. Systems proven to work. Yet, Buddism, at least what I witnessed, was quite lagging in this.

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