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There are indeed a lot of similarities Sloppy. In many of these works, across so many different religions and practices. I always get excited when i come across a confluence. I wonder though how the Chinese theory of 5 elements (wood, water, earth, fire, metal) relates to the Hermetic 5 of earth, water, fire, air, ether.

I'm sorry but even in the Jade Emperors Mind Seal Classic, among other works from the Dao Zang that support this. It states that Xian leads the Yi and the Yi leads the Qi, but also that Qi can lead Yi. Since everything spawns from the duality of Yin and Yang, which rely interdependently on each other and are always to be considered in mutual relativity. There is in fact no "backwards" thinking. There is just your thinking. What? I thought i told you i'm not contesting this. Why are you in your own little world. I'm not telling you what you think is wrong. What? I claimed this where? Show me? The Qi IS power. The Qi IS potential. It doesn't NEED to be powered by intention. Qi is constantly flowing and transforming in our bodies without our intention. This is the most basic principle of Taoism. How stupid would i have to be to postulate that, that which precedes the Tai Ji Tu, and thus all of humanity MUST wait for the intention of a human in order to be manifested into action? In order to subdue the Qi to your Xian you must strengthen your Yi. Once again you are demonstrating your extreme bias with your statements. Everything is cyclical, look at the Tai Ji. There is no power without resistance and there is no resistance without power. Some of even the oldest Qi Gong practices known to us are created around the interplay of resistance and relaxation in order to build potential and create Qi. It is through the copulation of Yin and Yang that the "10,000" things are created. Not one or the other. Nothing in this world works independently. Where there is Yin there is Yang. Your views are too one sided IMO.

I don't think you're reading what i'm saying in the way i intended it to be. Intention is a pre-requisite to any form of manifestation, physical or otherwise. I offer you no contest in this matter. But thereafter, once intention is initiated, there is a process that takes place. Intention guides and helps concentrate, but that which is being guided moves in order and respect of basic principles. Or are you stating that nadis and meridians and Tan Tiens are just there for decoration now? Some practices have elaborate and detailed explanations on the process, others don't. I know of methods on both sides of this spectrum, but i want to hear peoples interpretation of these specific systems of work which rely on directing energy and matter through specific pathways or in combination with elements in the body to perform alchemical feats. I'm not talking about intention here. It's not my query. That is an obvious aspect in all Gongfu. If i intend to move Qi to my LaoGong, i will move it up from the Lower Tan Tien to the Du Mai, up to Du12/14 and into the meridian of the hand and direct it to Lao Gong. There is a palpable sensation of the Qi moving along it's pathways. And when i am done i will return it back to the LDT. It's that sort of process i'm interested in hearing of. Not that intention is required. That is most obvious. Am i honestly making it so difficult to be understood or what? eg: A man intends to get to work on time. His intention drives him to perform the numerous tasks required for him to reach work ie: brush his teeth, get dressed, leave the house, start the car, sit at his desk etc. There is an algorithm that aught to be followed in order for him to do what is necessary for him to get to work on time. If he just stayed in bed, under the covers and intended it so, but didn't get out of bed to get to work, chances are pretty damn certain that he will not make it in time. You could very well have no knowledge whatsoever of meridians or chakras or the energetic body and still only through intention manifest energy in a certain area of your body to perform a feat, but this does not mean that the energy isn't flowing through specific pathways to do so. I'm not interested in having the latter explained to me, i am aware that this is a possibility. What i am interested in is hearing the hypotheses and explanations of those of us here that DO practice a system which details these elaborate interactions and to have those processes elaborated and theorized.

Intention is also required to take your ding dong out to pee in a toilet bowl, but we know that the process starts with oral digestion, proceeds to the stomach and intestines, nutrients are absorbed, the blood is filtered by the kidneys and excess materials are passed to the bladder and urine comes out of the urethra. The physical matter, follows physical paths which have scientific designations well known to even an uneducated person. As such, matter of higher frequency such as elemental energies and Qi also follow specific paths, of which as much we know are called meridians and nadis. My question is on the alchemical processes and paths taken to manifest specific feats. In Yi Jin Jing you learn to not only generate Chi, but also to move Qi from the Tan Tien along certain meridians in order to accomplish specific tasks. There is a method. There are safety procedures. There is a system that need be respected. So if there is anyone that wishes to reply with something other than smart alec statements, i am very curious to know how your religions interpret these alchemical processes and the maps or instructions of the body's energy pathways and centers that are utilized to direct the manifestations. If you compare Bardon's texts to that of most Taoist books, the difference in explanations is that of a hammer and a scalpel. Intention... yes. Even farting requires it. Still, not what i'm looking for.

Hmm... Interesting thoughts indeed K. They have sparked a new perspective in my mind. Meditate on this, i will.

I thought the same thing. That perhaps it wants me to move my mind to the throat, because even when it occurs, i keep my attention on the LDT. Yesterday though, i moved my attention to the throat once it kicked in, and the sensations began to change, almost like it now had the juice to evolve or move to another level. I don't know what to make of it, i try not to pay attention to sensations and keep my mind on the center, but i don't know if i should help facilitate this with concentration. I can't see any colors per say, just flashes of streaky, wave like lights every now and then. I know that i am person who too often holds his tongue in consideration of others feelings and their benefit, so i wouldn't be surprised if i have a blockage there, since this chakra is associated with communication and speaking, among other things. Sometimes though it feels like it's charging up and it's gonna explode soon, don't know if that is good or bad. But i am subscribing to the logic that if these sensations manifest out of LDT meditation, that i should hold my attention to the LDT regardless, instead of branching out to a product of the former.

You are not depressed my friend. You are blessed. Blessed, that you can see beyond what simple people accept to be the pinnacle of life.

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Well done. Keep meditating.

My disagreement level with the above two statements is over 9000. There can be a great deal of pain associated with meditation and awakening, both physical and mental... One who practices correctly requires great fortitude both in body and mind. And to add to that. There are a plethora of common physical and subtle phenomena that are experienced by practitioners during meditative practices, which are similar and often identical in their manifestation. There is an abundance of documentation covering these records. OP: Tenchu fan eh?

What is their excuse? I would have seen that kid from a kilometer away and ran to help. This is disturbing.... http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/blogpost/post/yue-yue-chinese-toddler-struck-in-hit-and-run-reported-brain-dead/2011/10/19/gIQA3VLpxL_blog.html

A great day to have And have i have had today Hope more come my way

Me too. Only i was carrying someones birthday cake and didn't have the discipline at the time to take the pain without flinching, so i dropped their cake, just half an hour before they had to blow out the candles. Most epic fail.

The QiGong master in this video below has incredible kung fu despite his weight *troll face http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WDIQyWWL810

Tulku, You do not understand what Witch is trying to say, because and this may be presumptuous, but most likely you simply have not experienced it. If you look at the design of the Taiji symbol you will notice that there is is Yin in Yang as there is Yang in Yin. You will also notice on further observation that extreme Yang flows into lesser Yin and extreme Yin flows into lesser Yang and vice-versa. This is not just a picture, it is a schematic for the processes in life and the methods which can be taken to reach goals. By putting ones self through extreme yang or extreme yin a practitioner will find the other. Through hate they will find love. Through greed they will find charity and compassion. Through fullness they will find emptiness. And on the other hand. Through intelligence one will pity the stupid. Through strength one will defend the weak. Through success one will appreciate their failures. Everything, a task, a method, a system, a "way" of doings things has a predominant Yin or Yang quality. When you dedicate yourself, your mind and body completely to following a path, in time you will reach your peak and without meaning to, but through that very accomplishment you will understand and attain it's complete opposite. BDSM or Fetish sex may not be your way. But that is because you have never opened your soul to it in order to see it's way. "The way" in every undertaking does not reveal itself to everyone, but only to those who pursue it with the utmost of emotional and spiritual dedication. There are many paths one can take to achieve understanding of our minds our bodies and the universe as a whole. They do not have to be popular, pure or even remotely related to spirituality. Simply. Anything taken to it's extreme will transform into it's opposite. It is all visible in the Taiji diagram, but more than that everywhere you look. From nature, to peoples careers, hobbies etc. To be a student of spirituality and a seeker of the Tao, means to understand AND accept that the 10,000 things that spring forth from the Taiji, create 10,000 paths pointing back to it that lead to the source. To understand this truth means not to discriminate. It means to always be prepared to accept everyone's "method" as equally capable. The relationship between Yin and Yang is EXTREMELY relative. A person or path that is extremely yang will balance itself with extreme Yin and maintain it's center. But this may be perceived as being too much from the eyes of someone who practices a less intensive system requiring less from all directions. Yet, in both instances both individuals will find their balance. The combinational possibilities are limitless. You have to open your mind more. There is no this or that. Everything is everything. To disrespect Witch or attempt to discredit her methods means that you do not have the understanding or experience required to reach what she has reached, but you do have the potential. We all do, in any endeavor of our choosing. Because you have picked one way and she another, does not make you or her any better. BECAUSE Everything that exists in our reality is a product of the Taiji, thus ANY of those things have the inherent potential to take us back to the source. The variable here which is the seed of discrimination is our individuality and the need for compatibility.

It's not just about putting the tongue on the pallet. That is just physical stimulation. When the mind it'self reaches a certain level of concentration the flow of saliva will increase, to the point where it's spilling out of your mouth.

I'm going with Buddha.

If the internet is by modern standards the underlying material network over which "open-source"-edness can be manifested, then Taoism in it's current state and location on the internet internationally and being more or less freely accessible, has never been MORE open source that is now since it's inception. And unless the whole inter-network collapses some day, it will just continue being more open source and i can only assume this expansion will happen in logarithmic scales proportionate to the springing desperation and material saturation sprouting into maturity among the more contemplative of our kind. Your whole post is a big contradiction.

I'm not sure where i read this but from what i understand breath retention is on it's own a method in achieving immortality. You start slow and built it up through the years until at some point it is said that the breath ceases completely. I don't know where it goes from there on wards, but apparently there are routes through this practice in which to ascend similar to regular Meditation practices.

The third Wei Qi field is supposed to be able to expand limitlessly right?

There is nowhere in this world you can go that you will not be surrounded by the children of the Tao. Whether it is mountains, rivers, caves, forests, people, cars, sky scrapers, everyday 21 century life or secluded make believe spiritual mountain-ism. There is no escaping it. Everything we see is a product of the Tao, it doesn't matter where you go, you cannot escape it, it permeates every corner of existence. None of these elements are intrinsically bad or good. Their classifications and effects depend entirely on the doses with which they are consumed or interacted with. My nana read me a story when i was a kid about the rock and the snake. The devil wanted to kill someone. The person sat on a cold stone for a long time. A snake proposed to do the job, but the stone said he's already taken care of it. Anyway. My point is that, people whenever placed in an environment which is saturated with one extreme of the known spectrum, will always generate a desire for it's opposite. Yin and Yang naturally seek to balance each other out. If you are too Yang the Yang will seek Yin to square out and balance the system and vice-versa. Going to the mountains to meditate and secluding yourself from life entirely and forever, is not a balanced way of life and sooner or later the elements in your body will seek to balance themselves out. Didn't even Buddha say the middle way is best? Either way, i've never secluded myself a top a mountain forever, so i wouldn't know. Maybe the sun and the moon are enough to balance both Yin and Yang in the body when it is away from all the other vampiric factors within the normal society which throw the natural body of balance. Perhaps by removing ourselves from society and disconnecting ourselves from unwanted Yang/Yin influence we can actually allow the Sun/Moon/Rivers/Mountains to bring our Qi to perfect balance without external meddling. What do i know O_o Point is. Within every environment, whether down town central or in the wilderness, you have the ability to decide what energy influences you more or less. Yin or Yang, by simply interacting with sources of those energies; more or less respectively. You can become as unhealthy in the mountains as you can in your house. No matter where you go, you will always be required to work to balance your body and mind. Yes, the temptations are much greater living within our modern society, but you will reap much greater rewards and create a foundation for unbreakable discipline should you choose to temper your character amid these difficulties than bask in the relatively uncontested simplicity of a rural life. Do you guys remember all the difficulties the three masters put Wang Liping through to temper his character? Making him meditate in shit holes n what not? Why not just put him in a cave and cover him with feathers? It's obvious. You cannot make strong that which is soft by treating it with softness and you cannot make soft that which is strong by treating it with hardness. You can however make hard the soft by treating it both with hardness AND softness as you can make soft the hard by treating it both with hardness and softness. Using only one extreme however is ineffective. It is in the simple formula of creation. TAO >> VOID >> YIN/YANG >> ALL THINGS (YOU/THE WORLD/HUMANITY) To attempt to jump from Humanity to the Void is not possible without first mastering Yin and Yang, that means you can be neither Yin nor Yang, neither mountain boy nor city boy. In accepting the way, there is no EXCLUSION. If you are EXCLUDING during your practice you are doing it wrong. The right way is the acceptance of everything in balance yielding moderation.

Scotty, You crackin me up man

I recommend you start every meditation session by following the breath. It basically lassos the daily mind and calms it down enough that it can be used for meditation. It is a primer. Following the breath will help you bring your attention to the Lower Dan Tien. Once enough awareness and concentration is dedicated exclusively to the Lower Dan Tien region, your breath will become extremely slow, in fact sometimes you will realize you're not breathing when you know you should be breathing (but you won't feel like breathing, no gasping or discomfort) and it may startle you, but this is a good indication that you are achieving concentration through following the breath. Even in this state however your thoughts can still be somewhat chaotic. You will however be much less prone to indulge them in this state and be able to let them go as soon as you identify they have a hold of your concentration. Further from this state you will reach a point where there are no thoughts, just emptiness and you will feel like your body is disappearing, you will feel a tremendous calm, and expansion and a contraction at the same time, like you're the smallest thing but at the same time big enough to fill the universe. Once you reach the state that your both your in-breath, cessation and exhalation are almost seamless, as one smooth process and the breath isn't breathing to sustain the body any longer, but to sustain the mind, then you can stop following the breath. This can happen in 30 mins, it can happen after an hour. It depends on you i guess.