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Yes it has been removed as it was destructive and making conclusions about our school without any verifiable proof. You're welcome to make another thread and continue the discussion there, but not here : ) Best wishes.

One of the reasons why I don't often touch this topic is because in XYP, we do not run away to the mountain to practice. Rather, we enter society and help to use the information we acquire from spiritual practice to help elevate others, instead of just focusing on ourselves. You can choose to do either, the choice is yours as I said before, but just like HFS helps us, we also help others. We must be able to establish a natural harmony with our environment and nature. If you go one way it's too Yin, if you go the other way it's too Yang. The elements must be in balance. When we can harmonize our humanity with our divinity, then we can make much faster progress. One of the reasons for this is that the Gong De we accumulate through selfless deeds is a type of potential power. So if we have strong Gong De when we liangong (practice culitvation), our progress is catalyzed. A holy person like Mother Theresa has very strong Gong De, but she cannot go higher than this. From charitable deeds all you can achieve is the state of the revered saint. Now, had she an authentic system of spiritual cultivation to practice, she could have manifested that Gong De into spiritual power. So it is in our benefit to live in society and deal with our problem while we cultivate ourselves and help others, because this directly helps our practice : ) That is why we have three things we must focus on in XYP: - Subtle energy cultivation (Xian Tian Shen Gong, XT Qigong, XT Jing Zuo) This is for our physical body, our physical energy, our physical mind AND our non-physical spirit. - Gong De (Selfless deeds and charity) This is to accumulate potential power - Wu (wisdom through experience, living life and interacting with other souls) This is to help develop our understanding and expand our intellect. We should try to develop all three in union.

The end goal of our practice is "Kong". To be empty, but not void. To be able to condense into matter and be visible at will or disperse into the Dao and be invisible and everywhere at the same time. We develop a lot of different skills along the way, but that is not our focus so I do not concentrate on it. I want people to focus on their humanity and helping others to wake up. There is no "final" awakening. There is no such thing as a finale in Daoist cultivation. Our cultivation reflects the infinity of the Dao and we will continue on ad infinitum. The difference between varying states of conscious existence is dependent on our spiritual skill and power, our wisdom and our karma. Liberation from Samsara as I've mentioned before depends on various factors. Certainly we can get to a level whereby we can consciously disconnect from the Taiji current and CHOOSE when to come back in, if it is the case that we still have karma to neutralize with some soul and a natural birth and re-entry is necessary relative to the weight of the karma - and we can postpone this re-entry for as long as we wish while we continue to cultivate in Wuji, but karma is karma and it must be repaid. It is universal law, otherwise there is imbalance. Usually after around 3-5 years of regular practice in Xiao Yao Pai we reach the level of Xiao Shen or a baby spirit. At this point our Yang Shen is strong enough and imbued with awareness, that should we die, HFS can continue to guide us in Wuji. However, even if we advance to a high level in Wuji after this, if we have karma to pay, we will have to eventually voluntarily reincarnate so we can meet the souls we must pay back; if we owe a debt. It has happened many times, that after a human reaches the point where they can disconnect from the cyclic Taiji current, that they have to come back in through a natural birth to clear some heavy karma. Yes, you can enjoy yourself first in Wuji, learn, study, guide others from your position as HFS to a celestial school, advance and so on, but eventually you must clear your karma and if it's heavy, then it necessitates a physical re-birth. If it's not so heavy, we can repay it by becoming a guide to the human to repay your debt. That's also an option. This way the new immortal does not have to leave the divine realm. One of our new Dao Yu in UK who was very sensitive could already feel the amorphous vapor forming over his head, this is his Xiao Shen taking shape and condensing into the Yang Shen body. The more he practice the more it will condense until its features begin to resemble his own physical features. He has some very good talent. He came with his family members to be initiated and they all actually had very good skill and sensitivity. It was really amazing for me to see a whole family with such a strong affinity for cultivation. They were all great : )

. Yes, Indeed the movements do look very Shaolin-esque in this session! Very beautiful and flamboyant, which is what I specifically asked FFS for. I recognized many of them while I was being guided, but I think you guys are thinking in a "box" and making a very fundamental mistake: You're ascribing the human body to a religious modality and locking yourself inside concepts. When your raise the hands and lower them or breathe in and breathe out, is this Taoist, Buddhist, Christian or Muslim? When you practice hold the ball at chest level, is this Taoist, Buddhist, Christian or Muslim? When you walk slowly and focus your attention on the present, is this Taoist, Buddhist, Christian or Muslim? When you stretch your arms left and right, is this Taoist, Buddhist, Christian or Muslim? When you focus on the lower dantien and do Buddhist breathing and Daoist breathing, are these really one or the other? When you blink your eyes, is it Taoist or Buddhist? : ) You are getting locked in concepts, rather than seeing that it is all inherently empty. The human body generally has the same bones, muscles, meridians and overall structure across all people and we all share these characteristics. Moving your body one way or the other, triggers the same effect in any human being, regardless of whether you are Taoist or Buddhist or whether you pray to a packet of waffles. The fingers represent the five elements and are the ending points of many major meridians that link to the internal organs and energy circuits. There is no such thins as a Buddhist mudra, or a Taaoist handseal; there is only that way in which you configure and arrange your fingers to effect the physical body, energetic body, mental body and spiritual body. These bodies are free of all concepts, but the ones you wish to associate them with. Again, you are locked within an idea. In our school Tai Shang is a manifestation of emptiness. We do not judge and discriminate others. How can an enlightened being that is of the source teach that? The Dao is everything... Our teacher Tai Shang Lao Jun and our Hu Fa Shen are beyond discriminating concepts. What is done in any one session is done to activate the body and heal the body regardless of how one associates them, it's the final effect that matters. You attribute my movements to Shaolin and so preclude them from being Taoist, but do you know the story of Shaolin kungfu? I'm going to ask you to employ your logical reasoning here. Damo was falsely attributed to the introduction of Yijin Jing and Xisui Jing and that's common knowledge now. Here are some texts: ------------------------------------------------------------- Traditionally Bodhidharma is credited as founder of the martial arts at the Shaolin Temple. However, martial arts historians have shown this legend stems from a 17th-century qigong manual known as the Yijin Jing.[5] The authenticity of the Yi Jin Jing has been discredited by some historians including Tang Hao, Xu Zhen and Ryuchi Matsuda. This argument is summarized by modern historian Lin Boyuan in his Zhongguo wushu shi: The oldest available copy was published in 1827.[7] The composition of the text itself has been dated to 1624.[6] Even then, the association of Bodhidharma with martial arts only became widespread as a result of the 1904–1907 serialization of the novel The Travels of Lao Ts'an in Illustrated Fiction Magazine:[8] Other scholars see an earlier connection between Da Mo and the Shaolin Monastery. Scholars generally accept the historicity of Da Mo (Bodhidharma) who arrived in China around 480. Da Mo (Bodhidharma) and his disciples are said to have lived a spot about a mile from the Shaolin Temple that is now a small nunnery. [10] In the 6th century, around 547, The Record of the Buddhist Monasteries says Da Mo visited the area near Mount Song.[11][12] In 645 The Continuation of the Biographies of Eminent Monks describes him as being active in the Mount Song region.[12][13] Around 710 Da Mo is identified specifically with the Shaolin Temple (Precious Record of Dharma's Transmission or Chuanfa Baoji) [12][14] and writes of his sitting facing a wall in meditation for many years. It also speaks of Huikes many trials in his efforts to receive instruction from Da Mo. In the 11th century a (1004) work embellishes Da Mo legends with great detail. A stele inscription at the Shaolin Monastery dated 728 reveals Da Mo residing on Mount Song.[15] Another stele in 798 speaks of Huike seeking instruction from Da Mo. Another engraving dated 1209 depicts the barefoot saint holding a shoe according to the ancient legend of Da Mo. A plethora of 13th- and 14th-century steles feature Da Mo in Various roles. One 13th-century image shows him riding a fragile stalk across the Yangtze River.[16] In 1125 a special temple was constructed in his honor at the Shaolin Monastery.[17] As for the "Yi Jin Jing" (Muscle Change Classic), a spurious text attributed to Bodhidharma and included in the legend of his transmitting martial arts at the temple, it was written in the Ming dynasty, in 1624, by the Daoist priest Zining of Mt. Tiantai, and falsely attributed to Bodhidharma. Forged prefaces, attributed to the Tang general Li Jing and the Southern Song general Niu Gao were written. They say that, after Bodhidharma faced the wall for nine years at Shaolin temple, he left behind an iron chest; when the monks opened this chest they found the two books "Xi Sui Jing" (Marrow Washing Classic) and "Yi Jin Jing" within. The first book was taken by his disciple Huike, and disappeared; as for the second, "the monks selfishly coveted it, practicing the skills therein, falling into heterodox ways, and losing the correct purpose of cultivating the Real. The Shaolin monks have made some fame for themselves through their fighting skill; this is all due to having obtained this manuscript". Based on this, Bodhidharma was claimed to be the ancestor of Shaolin martial arts. This manuscript is full of errors, absurdities and fantastic claims; it cannot be taken as a legitimate source.[6] One of the most recently invented and familiar of the Shaolin historical narratives is a story that claims that the Indian monk Bodhidharma, the supposed founder of Chinese Chan (Zen) Buddhism, introduced boxing into the monastery as a form of exercise around a.d. 525. This story first appeared in a popular novel, The Travels of Lao T’san, published as a series in a literary magazine in 1907. This story was quickly picked up by others and spread rapidly through publication in a popular contemporary boxing manual, Secrets of Shaolin Boxing Methods, and the first Chinese physical culture history published in 1919. As a result, it has enjoyed vast oral circulation and is one of the most “sacred” of the narratives shared within Chinese and Chinese-derived martial arts. That this story is clearly a twentieth-century invention is confirmed by writings going back at least 250 years earlier, which mention both Bodhidharma and martial arts but make no connection between the two.[9] ------------------------------------------------------------- Damo was a patriarch of Buddhism, but he was not the inventor of Shaolin or Buddhist Kungfu, if it was so, we would find Shaolin Kungfu type of martial arts all over India and we would have Buddhist monks in all the Indian monasteries breaking bricks with hard qigong and leaping over walls, slapping water and striking sand. Yet where do we see it in India? Or are you saying that as a patriarch of Buddhism, Damo so loved the Chinese that he kept all the secrets from the Indian people and gave them to the Chinese first, hahah? Common. Let's employ some simple logic here and break out of concepts... In ancient China any soldier and certainly any general needed to have martial skill. During Chinas many wars and conflicts many soldiers and generals took refuge in the Buddhist Shaolin monastery where they handed down their expertise to the monks in exchange for their protection. It was a place of safety. This is how the Shaolin monks inherited Taoist and Chinese martial arts skills throughout history. It was not the work of a peaceful Buddhist who came from India to teach them how to fight... or we could easily trace the art back to any other Indian patriarch before Damo and surely we would have similar Kungfu in all the other Indian monasteries. Its simple. If Damo brought Kungfu from India, then we should be able to find it in India.... and every Indian monastery should have rock hard Buddhist martial arts beasts within their walls. Yet, can you find any Buddhist monk today or monastery that practices Yijin Jing or Xi Sui Jing, anywhere in India?.... It's only in China.... So, lets use some logic... How come there are no Buddhist monks that spread Yijin Jing today, or ever? How come it's only Bodhidharma, the first one to enter China to spread Buddhism? These exercises and movements existed long before Buddhism set its foot in China. It's easy to become trapped in concepts. This is Taoist, this is Buddhist, that is Christian and so on and so forth, but this only fortifies the conceptual prison of our minds and sustains discrimination while perpetuating the very dualistic (Taiji) thinking that we are trying to transcend. A mind like this can never enter Wuji where everything collapses into one : ) Food for thought...

Haha. I loved reading that, Walker. Thanks for all the vivid imagery. I had a big grin on my face while going through it - and yes, you're absolutely right. Everything you say is as it is. I cannot argue with it. Also, please just call me Effi : ) The truth is that I have ALWAYS focused on the getting the experience of the initiation fresh from new Dao Yu as soon as I can. Often I get asked, "but wouldn't you like me to practice a little longer to get more experiences?" - I tend to answer; yes you can if you wish, but my focus is on the initiation, why, because that is how we stand out from all the woo woo. Anyone can make any claim about spirits and Gods. Lets face it, that's child's play, but being able to prove it substantially in the time frame of what is often around 5 minutes, that's something that not many people can do. I appreciate that as some things become increasingly more available to the public, that their perceived value can proportionally begin to decrease, but let's not forget how fundamentally groundbreaking such an experience really is. I've had the most hardcore atheists come to initiations, and they have been left in absolute shock after their HFS connects to them and begins to move their body. Until the last moment most people think it's complete bullshit, then suddenly their whole belief system is flipped 180. It's not easy to believe something for 20, 30, 40 years, and then have that thrown out of the window in 5 minutes. The cognitive dissonance alone can be incredibly overwhelming. I know that you want to push for more, it is in our nature as humans, but in doing so lets not negate the import and significance of what it is that we are already able to offer and accomplish in terms of helping people widen their experience of reality. I do not think it is a minor feat at all and I do not say that to be conceited, but rather to shine a spotlight on something that of itself is of a truly miraculous and life altering nature. Without our ability to substantiate our quite frankly "wild" claims, through the initiation, we can easily be thrown together in a basket with the Easter bunny. So, while I understand and respect your intention, lets not forget the weight of being able to connect someone to the divine realm and help them touch divinity in a matter of minutes. My agenda is not to remain in this sphere forever. In fact, I am so confident in what we do, that I'm making strides to establish connections with the scientific community and begin to build a bridge between the science of old and the science of today. Imagine a leading Quantum Physicist who could cultivate the ability to observe phenomena at a quantum level and discern processes that we have yet machines capable of observing. What of Medicine, what of Psychology and the rest of Religion? Xian Tian Dao Yin Shu is a tool which has the potential to advance humanity on a level which has not been available openly to our kind for a very long time and I will dedicate the rest of my life to helping people employ it to advance their humanity as well as their divinity. Because of this, our focus in the west has been solely on the act of initiation as a method of empirical proof; something that we can observe and experience rather than simply theorise and philosophise - because proof, is the only way to get your foot into the scientific community and PROOF, is the only thing that should really count in matters of truth and the discovery of our existence. We are not faith or belief based. We have no dogma, no books to follow, no taboos and no prohibitions. What is, is between the student and Tai Shang. So, as you have accurately observed, the testimonials are focused on the process and events of the initiation and not anything else that quite frankly is too fantastical to mention. It is admittedly by my design and catered to my target audience in the west, and it is for a reason great than me, or you, or our school. Of course we could share stories of spiritual battles, exorcisms, out of body experiences, travels to other planets, inexplicable medical recoveries, predictions of the future, recollections of past lives, spells, talismans, visions, communications of all manner and magical practices, but lets be reasonable, what type of an audience would that attract? - NOT the audience I wish to partake in our education and cultivation. We do not want the fighters seeking to make themselves strong so they can dominate their opponents, or the unvirtuous seeking to develop power that they may control others. No. We want the one who wants to become initiated so that he can heal his little brother. We want the one who wants to fight to protect the rights of others. We want the one who seeks to make the world a better place through the knowledge they unravel in the process of their apprenticeship under HFS. Our fundamental motivation is humanitarianism first, and spirituality second. So, if you're querying as to why I haven't asked for testimonials from those who have been practising for 10, 20, 30 and 40+ years and believe me there are many of the 140,000+ initiated who fall under this category. It is because the stories have no value and contribution to the pragmatism of human life and human evolution. To do so we would only cater to new age nuts, and attract those seeking mystical experiences, putting magic, bliss and power, ahead of compassion, tranquillity, wisdom, honour and our collective evolution as a species. HFS might appear before your eyes when you become initiated, but he will fix your body first. I categorically do not want to attract that sort of a crowd and I immediately cut off anyone wishing to join our school that exhibits such characteristics. I am prepared to take as much flack as all the guns in the world can fire at my chest, but I will not budge on this matter, not now, not ever. The quality and motivation of our Dao Yu is of absolute importance to us. Nevertheless, I have organised a Dao Zhang with around 24 years of experience over me to share in his experiences, so perhaps that will quell your curiosity in this regard, but this is a singular initiative on my part and I don't imagine I would be doing it again, because as I've been saying, what you put out, is what you attract, and I'm very conscious about that dynamic. He has already began to compose it for you, so hopefully this will help to paint some colour into this area of XYP for those that are curious. Without being disrespectful in anyway and I'm trying to be very diplomatic here - I find it very difficult to spend excessive time and care in convincing those that are strongly averse or adamantly irresolute in their doubt, when I can gently open the doors to those that are willing to walk in on their own and find out for themselves. I have a finite energy and a finite life and I want to have as great an impact as I can on as many people as I can while I am still around. I get no medals by convincing those that are difficult to convince vs those that are easy to convince or those that need no convincing at all - because at the end of the day all that matters to me is to see the people making progress, growing, expanding, developing spirituality and transforming as a human being and a divine being. It is easier to go with the current of the river than against it, and believe me in our day and age, the current is strong, very strong. I need only relax and It will carry me. So why fight it? Why should I convince you? What's in it for me? What do you give me that is so worth my time and effort? : ) In terms of spontaneous Qigong... it's veeeeeeeeeeeeeeeery different from XYP xiu liangong. Many many day 1 and day 2 Dao Yu can already speak to their HFS and have extensive dialogues. During the longer part of my first months of training, I spent a lot of time lying on the bed simply asking HFS questions about the universe and asking the answers to things that science had yet not discovered. Things about the planets, physics, the dynamics of spiritual evolution and so on and so forth. HFS helps with daily things as well quite often. He might advise you what to eat and what not to eat. Often my mother would reach for some type of food (she is diabetic) and HFS would pull her hand back and advise her otherwise. The decision is then hers based on the information received from HFS as to what she wants to do. We are not obliged to follow and we must bear our karma. In Xian Tian Dao Yin Shu we are not moved by some unconscious power. We're directed by a conscious being, with it's own personality, memories, past lifetimes and so on and so forth. You can talk to it, discuss, argue, debate and explore any facet of life you wish. So there's no comparison in terms of Spontaneous Qigong : ) If HFS moves your hand right, you can resist it and move it left, at the beginning level, this is the easiest way to feel HFSs power and establish the differential between your consciousness and his/her's, if you can't hear or see them at this point. I remember one time my mum was rushing for work to catch the bus, HFS stopped her and said, don't take the bus now, take a taxi there will be an accident. Right after she took the taxi to work, the bus crashed. There are hundreds upon hundreds of stories like this from our Dao Yu. I've successfully also been able to connect to people across the planet with HFS and through Tai Shang's grace, move their body so they can experience the proof. I was surprised myself about this one, because it's a matter of spiritual authority. I know that it seems difficult to believe from the outside, I truly do appreciate it. I've never asked for anyone to believe me, only to come and test it for themselves. Like I said before, I don't want people to follow me, I want them to lead themselves. If you look at any of our testimonials, you will see people are at home practising on a daily basis with HFS guiding them. People from all over the world, able to be moved and communicate. Honestly they are not paid actors. I wouldn't have the money to pay them all! haha Even if I sat here and told you about fighting with spirits, astral travel, emptiness, inter-dimensional travel, Qi manipulation and all that stuff. Is that what you really want to hear? Is that the sort of thing you need to convince you? Isn't it just better to read a good book? The bottom line is that our Dao Yu do experience all these things, but that's not the focus. How can we change this world? How can we bring people out of ignorance and uproot their focus from the chains of materialism so they can know their eternal nature? How can we do that? By telling stories of spirits and magical realms, or by giving them something they can experience with their own senses, with their own hearing, sight, smell and touch? I wish to focus on the latter, because it is the only thing which they can know for themselves, NOW. RIGHT NOW. Not 10 years from now, not 20 years from now, but now, and then should they choose to, they can develop further and explore whatever they wish. I do not have any other form of proof that is more substantial that that of one's own personal sense based experience and I truly believe than anyone who favors theory, philosophy and text over actual experiences and results is in some serious fort-knox-level-lock-down denial, and I'll go as far as to say fear of being proven wrong. That's why a few people here will love to sit and text me and criticize me, but when I openly invite them to come and test us, all I hear is the crickets in return. Most Houtian schools cannot bear their heart raw like this and hand the stake to the doubters, because few can demonstrate the results even after a life time of supposed cultivation, but they are more than happy to tell you to practice for 10 years and pay exorbitant fees. People want proof, NOW. Not in 10 years not in 20 years. What sort of a master cannot demonstrate his skill? This is what our initiation stands for. It is the laboratory whereby that experiment may be carried out. Beyond this, I am simply catering to your imagination, for all the things you want to hear me say, have already been written in thousands of books before my words or my being ever existed, but few are the places that can prove it. This is our heart. This is our method of conviction, and I find it far superior than anything of any theory or opinion I can share with you here, because that is all my words will ever be to anyone else, nothing more than my thoughts and my knowings, but they are not yours, they never will be. Not until you can experience it too. It's not up to me, it's up to you. I wish not to force you or convince you. It is up to you. Truly it is. I gain nothing, I lose nothing. I only wish that you stop believing me and know it for yourself through experience; because that experience is a gateway to a world of infinite possibilities - and from the bottom of my heart, I wish that for everyone. I will post the Dao Zhang's testimonial here, when it has been written for you, but I do not believe it is the substance you truly need, because you're far too smart for that. The inevitable outcome of all of this, and the only thing that can ever mean something, lies in testing it by yourself. Otherwise we are nothing but ignorant followers, no better than a religious folks with the teachers blinders over our eyes to tunnel our path into yet another version of faith.

Hi Mudfoot, Yes, there are certain exercises that we learn which we can do on our own to maintain our body, absorb environmental energy, train the lower dantien etc. We also have handseals, spoken words and hu - which we can use to enable certain energetic "programs" that execute a particular function within the body of the practitioner or outside the body of the practitioner. Even though we have an outline for our curriculum which is carried out by our Hu Fa Shen, every person is unique and that is clearly reflected in their training, although the same milestones are achieved by every practitioner of the school. The depth to which each student understands what is going on in the body whilst Hu Fa Shen moves us during Shen Gong, Shen Gong or Jing Zuo, depends entirely on their sensitivity and wisdom, both of which increase with practice. Some people who have been practising for long prior to their initiation, and can already feel the currents of subtle energy flowing through their body have a much easier time after they become initiated when it comes to understanding why HFS moves us a certain way during Shen Gong. Usually when it comes to the Shen Gong, but not always, because there are also more advanced Shen Gong practices, it's quite easy to understand why HFS is moving us a certain way. If you review some of the testimonials, you'll find a clear pattern of statements describing how HFS knows exactly what is wrong with the person from a physiological, energetic and emotional stand point and directly treats the issue through the targeted movements in Shen Gong, so to that degree, people are quite aware of what is going on and what that is affecting in their body, moreover, they all claim relief from their chronic symptoms and pains of which they are aware. For my mother whom has had spinal issues almost all her life, her HFS, spent most of the first week working on her spine. After the first day, I had never seen her stand up as straight as she did. There are so many occurrences like these, but at the start while HFS is correcting the body, they usually go straight for the weak points first. After the body has been balanced, the movements will subside and HFS will lead you into Qigong. It's necessary first that the physical body is balanced and strong, or when you sit to meditate afterwards, it will always disturb you with pains and aches - and every time your attention is recalled to the physical sensation your awareness will snap out of emptiness and find it very hard to freeze ones spirit in single pointed attention, a prerequisite for higher work. As conscious beings, we generally know what our issues are. Whether we have pain here, or there, whether we are jealous or have a short fuse or low energy. By maintaining our awareness and observing the practice as HFS guides us, we can clearly see the before and after and understand how this has changed us. I could write a book about my healing experiences. since I started practising, and you can see the same from many others only 1 week after their initiation. I'd like to say that yes, one could record certain practices and then even offer them to others as a prescription, many masters in the past have, but every persons constitution is different. Even those that share similar issues on the surface, could have something very different going on under the hood that lead to the final symptom. In cases like that, we might think we're helping by offering a specialised exercise, when instead we may be exacerbating the persons condition, making things worse. That's why I'm not a fan of your typical McDonalds Qigong classes, because the teacher often doesn't have the insight to see beyond their own nose. This is primarily why we have HFS guide us, because they can see into us on every level and lead us in a way that is suitable to our skill, understanding and condition. There are certain milestones as I mentioned before, where the practice is unified among all students, but the path to get there is very unique, and so everyone will move in their own way based on HFS's guidance, and have to overcome their own inner demons : ) In my case, I can feel and sometimes also see through which meridians the energy is flowing when HFS moves my body and how that corresponds to certain subtle or physical conditions within myself. The Mawangdui scroll above is an example of such a reduction of Xian Tian Dao Yin Shu. With the aim to preserve what they could, its authors recorded the most important parts of specific movements which they had concluded stimulated the body in certain ways. While you will find yourself performing many of these movements while practising Xian Tian Shen Gong in our school, they are just but a snapshot of the complete system of XTDYS. When we are initiated, each student receives a HFS to guide us in the tradition of our school and your HFS is always your primary teacher, but just like in school even though you have your head teacher, you also have other teachers from which you can learn other subjects. In a similar fashion, while we always follow HFS to make progress in our school, the activation which takes place during initiation also allows us to connect to any immortal or spirit in the non-physical dimension, should we wish to open a dialogue on a particular topic with another being about something that we are curious about. I've practised with many Daoist immortals, not just my HFS and the same privilege is available to any initiate of XYP. We don't have any dogma. Just be natural and curious and play like a child that is discovering new things for the first time. So to conclude the answer to your question. Because we share the same fundamental structure and make up, there will be many shared movements during guided Shen Gong and Qigong practice, although the intensity, timing and frequency will vary with each person depending on their physical, energetic, emotional, mental and spiritual condition; and this all creates very individual practice sessions. Much of that is evident by reading through the testimonials.

Cheers, Flowing Hands and thank you for your opinion, but I'm genuinely not interested in your help and I'd like to ask you to respect that. It has been abundantly clear on many occasions now that we are not in agreement, and I do not come to your thread to speak against your traditions, so please stop coming to ours to do just that, over and over again.. I'm sure this forum is big enough to allow such a simple courtesy... Farewell.

I will try to answer all your questions over the weekend guys, sorry for the delays, but I have around 30 in queue and have to prioritize them. Some times I won't get to a person for a few months, so don't think I'm ignoring you. I take notes, but I also have my personal life to live and enjoy! grassmountainsage, I am still looking forward to meeting you and your Sifu and hope you can give me some feedback on his investigation as you mentioned you were going to ask for us to be checked on. Since you've come back on the thread with a far more respectable demeanor, I'll try to make some time to answer your initial questions as they relate to our tradition and practice of Spiritual Daoism. Please everyone know that I am not here as your servant and I reserve the right to select what information I share and whom I share it with at all times and I don't owe anything to anyone, but I am here to help those that I feel are genuine. I think we can learn far much more from each other by being respectful than we can through offensive behavior. Often, denying someone what they demand is a good way to gauge the quality of their character by their reaction. The truth is that not everyone makes it to the initiation. Some people we categorically reject, others we postpone anywhere from 3 to 5 years. So please don't look at us as a public service. We have our criteria and process of selection. Sometimes it is obvious, sometimes not so obvious... Best wishes : )

Hey guys. I'd like to share an update on Johans training from Testimonial 32, which you can find find few pages back. "Almost a week has now passed since initiation and I’d like to take to opportunity to share a bit more about my training with my HFS/FFS. One of the reasons I started to train daoist martial arts which later lead me onto the path of XYP was my bad health, after starting taiji and bagua I soon realized how extremly tense I was and how extremly bad alignments I had, even though I worked on them I had little progress (I guess I did it wrong or not enough time). My training with FFS has this first week focused on building flexibility in my back, shoulders, neck, hands, leg and feet. After barely a week of training the difference is huge. I mean huge as in it surprises me how I could have progress this much. I have done stretching in positions I couldn’t even imagine in my mind before starting this. I am so grateful to be able to experience this and adding to my testimonial to hope be able to contribute to more people get to do it as well. All best. JT"

Hi everyone. I'd like to share a video of me practicing Shen Gong in Xian Tian Dao Yin Shu under the guidance of my Hu Fa Shen. Because I've added a track over you can't actually hear my exhales and inhales, but HFS was also in control of my breath during this session, so it was a combination of Shen Gong and Qigong. In XTDYS, we have three basic practices; Shen Gong (Guided Movements such as in the video) - Here HFS moves our body and we just follow. Qi Gong (Breath and Subtle energy work) - Here HFS directly controls the breath and moves the Qi in the body where necessary for our cultivation. Jing Zuo - Here HFS guides our awareness into Wuji. I made this video a year ago. I don't move like this anymore, as a matter of fact, my movements in Shen Gong had already stopped and I had progressed to guided Qigong at this point, so I specifically asked HFS for something flashy for this video haha, just because I was going to share it with people. The sessions lasted longer than I expected and by the time I was done I was sweating and was sore for the next two days. Hope it gives you some idea of what Xian Tian Dao Yin Shu can look like, but please bear in mind everybody's movements will relate to their condition and requirements. At this point in time, 90% of my practice consists of guided Jing Zuo and around 10% Qigong. HFS starts to move me around 1:20 Best wishes. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FFF6ksJ8-Bw

Compassion.

OK, yes. We can try. See you there.

Nice to see you again Flowing Hands. I knew you couldn't stay away for too long Please have a look at the below post if you wish from this thread. I've covered all that before and on many other occasions.

It's very different for everyone in the way the immortal manifests, as it leans towards refining your constitutional talents. So one might manifest clairaudiance while another clairvoyance or other skills. But also, it is different from conventional Taoism, because in Hou Tian cultivation during Jing accumulation and refinement the useful manifestations and skills of practice are still few. As the Qi fills and is refined other types of Gongfu are acquired and as the Qi refines to Shen more profound connections are made to the spiritual dimension. In Xiao Yao Pai however we are connected to the spiritual dimension at the initial phase in the practice so communication to the heavens is established immediately, in order for the immortal to guide you, while other super-natural talents are refined later . Then the Shen is slowly refined, then the Qi then the Jing. So the route of transmutation is reversed, which is why we can still have active sex lives if we chose to. Although I would imagine stronger Jing will facilitate more rapid transformation of the dense matter. Rather than a Yin-Earth path where we start from the coarse, you could classify our school as a Yang-Heaven method where we start from the fine and move to the coarse to achieve complete transformation, turning the 3 to the 2 and the 2 to the primordial 1. Because of this, we do not have to wait long (days for some and for others weeks, months or years), before they can manifest spiritual skill, such as extra-sensory perception by sound, sight etc. Best. Xuan Daoji

It is an immortal spirit that guides you along the right direction, helping you refine your 3 bodies, 3 Hun and 7 Po, Yin Shen and Yang Shen into one coalesced self-dependent immortal spirit free from reincarnation. It is akin to Chen Wangting, the founder of Taiji, coming to your house every day to give you private lessons. Only, our teacher is an Immortal who comes to teach us immortality. So to answer your first question. It is a separate person, but it interacts with you on a subtle level, such that It can seem like part of you at times, but is always separate. And your second; because of it's level of achievement it can be both physical or non-physical and void, both Yin and Yang or Wu. Best wishes. Xuan Daoji

Here's another one from the UK that just came in. Thank you for sharing! Johan came all the way from Sweden. Thank you for being so brave and believing in yourself. TESTIMONIAL 32: "When I first read about Xiao Yao Pai I was interested but naturally sceptic. Even though I felt that this was something that really appealed to me and that I felt “drawn” to the school. Although this feeling I wasn’t a 100% sure if I would travel to the initiation. It is after all quite a big step to travel overseas and being initiated in a school. After Xuan being very kind and answering my questions in an excellent manner and explaining in depth about topics related to the school I decided that I owed myself to check it out. So I flew to London. And wow I am so glad I did. Others have described the initiation process so I would like to describe how I feel now 4 days after initiation just after coming home from London. First of all I feel enormous gratitude towards the people who made the initiation event possible. I also feel a really calm in a way I don’t think I ever done, I feel like I’m on the right path again. I know the hard work starts now but that's a good thing now that I have clear direction. During these 4 days I have had several training sessions, the breathing techniques taught are very powerful and I can say beyond any doubt after my sessions that this is a legit divine guidance art. A lot of guided stretching targeting my problem areas around back, neck and arms. I know this might be hard to accept as anyone who hasn’t experienced it but at least I am very happy I took the chance, put down my (even though small) prejudice and tested it out. " Johan T. DAO YING - NOV 2016 - LONDON | UK

Your questions were not deleted, they are still there...stop trolling. There is really no need for this anymore, so please don't force me to have to remove your posts again. I've kindly extended my invitation to you and your Sifu and I look forward to meeting you both at the next initiation, where you can directly test us and determine the truth. Theory and philosophy cannot achieve this. Try to understand that. Personal experience is necessary otherwise you are just relying on my opinion. When you come with your Sifu, you can carry out an investigation and you can have clarity. I will record it to make sure everyone can also see it afterwards in a video so there is no ambiguity. If you can't be patient until then, please have a look at our Facebook Group where all these questions have been answered before. I gave you the link in my earlier posts. I look forward to meeting you. Best wishes.

Really solid questions, Walker. I really appreciate that. Before I try to answer them, perhaps we can try something more practical if you would honor me with 10 minutes of your time in TDB live chat? I feel that If I can let you experience it yourself, I will not need to even reply to your questions. If that does not yield any results, however, then I will answer your question here in text, alas, again, these will be but my experiences alone, and nothing that can really substantiate my claims for you My words will always be my words, but if you can have your own experience, then you can understand for yourself. Please PM me here or on Facebook: xuan daoji and I can try to give you a direct experience. It very well may be the better option to ease your doubts, but please be aware that it is not at my discretion, I only have the authority to ask Tai Shang and my Hu Fa Shen, but not to "make" it happen. Thanks : ) PS: I've arranged for a testimonial from a Dao Zhang whom has over 10 years plus on me on your behalf. I'll post that here when it has been issued and I'm happy to share my own experiences.

Hehe, It's all very funny really. Many people just like to talk, but do not offer any proof of anything. Anybody can visit our group to see the testimonials from people, even those that were just initiated several days ago! And we offer anybody the opportunity to come and attend an initiation to determine if we are lying or not : ) There's no need to talk. It's just that simple, so I don't know why people always prefer to just talk : ) I hope grassmountainsage will come with his Sifu, so I can record it and the truth can be known. At the end of the day, in XYP we are just focusing on helping others with their spiritual cultivation and encouraging them to perform acts of kindness through basic humanitarianism. I can't imagine why anybody would feel so triggered by that, but to each their own. Again. Anyone who wants to test us is welcome, but we are peaceful, so please don't bring your anger to the initiation. People come there from all over the world to relax and experience something personal and transformative. It's all settled then. I will see you and your Sifu at the next initiation. Look forward to meeting you

That's all great. If you can, please bring your Sifu to the initiation also : ) If you don't mind I'd like to record everything on video.

Doesn't matter who it is. It's fine. See you at the next initiation : )

No need for questions. I look forward to meeting your Sifu at next years initiation where we can do some practical stuff. Enough philosophy : ) Good luck.

Thank you for sharing that. I appreciate your sincerity. Give it time, FFS always knows our weakness and how to approach it. Now you know it for yourself! I've seen some incredible healings after initiation. A doctor in the Phillipines was on dialysis twice a week for a long time, and as a medical practitioner he was quite aware of the severity of this condition and almost lost hope for recovery. To be quite frank even we were worried that his initiation was too late for Hu Fa Shen to help with the condition. Alas, less than a year after he was initiated he stopped the dialysis completely. From 2 times a week to no dialysis in 4 months. I was really happy for him So I have no doubt you'll get better, just keep practising : )

I kindly provided you with a link to where you could find all the answers to the questions you asked and I clearly told you I had answered them there before. Did I not? Despite that you continued. I'm sorry that you feel entitled, but I don't owe you any special service : ) In regards to your master, please, PLEASE, PLEASE, tell him to check on us. I would love nothing more! Invite him to the next initiation so he can test us directly. You can extend an official invitation to him from me and he can contact me directly via e-mail if he wishes [email protected] That aside, If you're happy to tone down and keep on topic, I'm more than happy to attend to you, otherwise I will keep this thread decent and on topic - and after all, lets be reasonable: You can't really make any claims about anything that has to do with our school, because you've never been to an initiation : ) Talk is cheap, so lets do this. Come and test it : ) Best wishes

This one is from my good friend Lukasz. He was a total sceptic until the last moment. He even declined to be initiated in the beginning in order to observe everyone else's reactions first. By the end of the second day there was nowhere to hide! He had seen the others connect on the first day and heard them share their amazing experiences on the second! Sometimes you just have to be brave and take the jump. There's only one way to know and that's to try it! Thank you for believing in yourself and for believing in me. I'm proud to call you a Dao Yu and look forward to your development : ) TESTIMONIAL 31: Since I can remember, I was sceptical about any spiritual/religious concept, and I removed any of those ideas from my life as soon as I became aware of world around me. I Focused my understanding of life on science as we know it, maths, physics, biology, chemistry. How I ended up on Initiation Event? Long story short - Someone I know and turst, claimed that he can prove me that its real. So I agreed to open my mind and take part in it. Day 1 - I decided not to get initiated that day, I stayed back and observed other people during the process, alot of them started moving, some of them just slightly, some of them moved really intense. It got me thinking, I became more curious, but still stayed sceptical. For the rest of the day I've been just listening trying to understand what I witnessed. By the end of the day, all I was certain about is that During initiation People were moving, and I was left with questions, Was it FFS? Or maybe it's all of them, just following their imagination? But how come that almost everyone moved, and everyone claimed that they felt something? And here comes day 2, I woke up, so curious, feeling like I need more answers, but I didn't knew what to ask about really. So for the rest of the day I've been asking about things related to what we were discussing during lecture, or other random questions during breakes etc. At some point, I realized that only way to find out is to get initiated, and said to myself "what's the worst that could happened? If there is something there, or nothing at all, I'm still gonna feed my curiousity". We agreed to perform initiation on me after we finish Day 2 lecture. The time came, almost everyone left by now. I sat down, still sceptical, but really, REALLY curious. I Invited FFS, and my arms spread, I was aware of everything around, but it wasn't me moving my body, it was just very gentle push. At some point, when my amrs started to spread really far I said to myself (or actually FFS) that I believe(or understand), and asked Him/Her to stop pushing further for now, and my arms just stopped. I was asked to stay focus, but it was so shocking for me, in my mind I could only think about what's just happened. After initiation I just sat in that chair, in shock, but happy, really filled with hapiness, whas it because my curiousity was finally fed, or was it because I found my teacher? A little bit of both for sure. Since that I practiced 4 times, each time doing a little progress, small steps, that's what I asked for, since it was very difficult to process what happened, what I experienced. After all, my whole understanding of world surrounding me was kinda changed, and I was afraid of it, maybe I still am a little bit, but also someone told me to be brave, so I'm trying my best But, You'll have to see for yourself Łukasz Mildner DAO YING - NOV 2016 - LONDON | UK