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I have been converted! Finally I have seen the light! Where do I sign up? Ps. As head of the 'Non-Delusional Enlightenment System'ThatGuy I suggest you need to write up a manifesto, what are the rules, lots is better for me, and also before I become a disciple I'm gonna need to see you perform at least one non-miracle mundane type demonstration, proof positive of your non-divine status, otherwise I have no proof whatsoever that you might not secretly be Gods Direct Contact.

I'm just curious Marblehead, what changes did it bring?

Ya, that's the one, back cover the same but with no black outline around the colors. Quite iconic really. He(Ophiel)was actually the esoteric book publisher Samuel Wieser. It's a bit off topic but did you read any of the others he wrote under the name Ophiel?

The breast you mean? Don't blame you, don't blame you at all.

Ya, I agree....that's kind of why that religion bugs me. It's not so much a problem if a few people just go to pay homage, it's when the thinking behind it becomes an intristic part of the culture and then 'tradition', then everyone winds up in a prison.....it's been 2500 years since that guy popped up, and they still follow the 'tradition'. 2500 is a long sentence for any culture. It's just past it's sell by date really, 2500 years ago, ya, cutting edge, but now

Ya, bit of a pity how Confusciansism ever palmed itself off as a religion I'll never know. Actually the only real religious part of it is the worship of Mr Kong fu tse and each persons ancestors, and they got that whole worship deal from Daoist and Buddhist concepts in a effort to legitimize it. Cheeky. Really cheeky.

Either that or the Apocalypse(capital 'A'), one of the two, there'd be enough special friend rice to go round though, What with the odd miracle taking place and all.

Forget about the shadow, have a look to the left of the shadow and before the writing, right there in all its profile glory is a fantastic subliminal breast. I'm all for it me, no complaints.

I have the pdf Mal if you want it. My brother pinched mine and likewise, it was never seen again. Perhaps both our books achieved 'beautific raptures' and ascended from this plane.

That he is, he's also sporting a rather handsome moustache too. I don't think master Chiang Hai can compete with that. He could have gone down the cliche 'spiritual beard' path, but not Gary, he went down the 'fighter pilot tash' path, not an easy path to tread I might add. I'd say follow him Ralis, cos even if he isn't Gods Direct Contact on Earth he's bound to be able to tell you some interesting fighter pilot war stories. You gotta look at the side benefits when your following a Gods Direct Contact on Earth see, so as Yoda said before Chiang Hai used to have nice restaurant, so you follow her fo sure your gonna get a discount on ya Chicken chow mien! I don't know man, it's a tough one war stories or a discount on Chicken chow mien. It's imperative to consider the side benefits of following a Gods Direct Contact, cos what happens if, wonder of wonders, they turn out NOT to be Gods Direct Contact, you'd feel rather stupid wouldn't you, but with my side benefits slant you'd be like "well, at least I got a lot of free prawn crackers!". It's win win man!!

Oh Yoda, Don't get me started on Confusciansim. It's my pet hate. I have seen so many lives ruined because of it. The whole of Chinese culture is based on it. Confuscianism - create a structure and mode of living and people will mold themselves to it and become good(act good). Taoism - look within find your true heart and after clearing out the crud you will become good(as it's your true nature). Confuscianism is fake good ie. repression. Never dealing with the crud and just pretending your ok. Listen to your parents, do as your'e told, listen to who ever has power and don't rock the boat. I will admit Confuscianism is good for running a country and creating 'order' of some sorts. But it is for the collective not the individual, Taoism is for the individual. Taoism has played second fiddle to confuscian thinking for way too long. It probably always will to, as it requires work, and people don't like work, not really; whereas Confuscianism asks only that you toe the line, whatever line that may be and then one day you will get 'power', as in titles and so forth. I would say in J2W you can see Confuscian thinking in the way the heavens are set up as a goverment/hierarchy. That's Confuscian opinion, the opinion that heaven has this as does earth, a mirror if you like. It's really only that people can't conceive of what they can't conceive so they replace it with something familiar. Ie. God as an old man with a beard.

Soul transplants. Shoddy metaphysics. Very shoddy. Karma removal... oh please. Karma delay...hmmmm..maybe....removal, it ain't happening. Not this far down the funnel anyway. It bounces of the sides and back again see. As for Mr. Sha's teacher he should know better, if in fact he himself has developed the 3rd eye, he would know what his student is doing. Still, most Chinese believe foreigners are made of money and it's quite all right to fleece them of money. Never ceases to amaze me how an Asian can throw a few Chinese words into his teachings and everyone will fall hook line and sinker. Find me an old Chinese man with a beard and I'll make him an international overnight millionaire in the 'new age' field.

Ya, they do, there' called 'countries'.

I have to say I have no idea what tao99 is talking about..... but he/she definately has a way with words. I'm still laughing and I read it 30 minutes ago!

There is no dispute Of that I cannot refute It's cool and astute (Sorry, bad Haiku rap just to lower the tone a tad, bit too high for me) (Word to 'ya mama san, I really need to go to bed)

That's hilarious! The dream police! Possibly true though, I never had that happen before, other peoples inner body is doing its own thing on that plane that physically people are not aware of down here. They do have their own will and likes and dislikes still, so it's still quite possible if they don't want to have 'naughtyness' with you they will say so, I don't know about the dream police, I never forced the issue. And I would like to make a contention with this term 'lucid dreaming' as the topic is partly called. It has always seemed to me a cop out(cop, no pun intended)for people who don't quite believe it's possible. If you wanna call stuff 'lucid dreaming' you can, but when you transfer your consciousness to your inner body it's OOB. When you sleep your inner body is out mucking about anyway, your consciousness just has not been transfered, OOBE/astral projection is simply placing it where you want it. Taoist practice includes that, as does the western esoteric tradition. Call it what you will due to shyness and worrying people will say your crazy. I highly recommend the book 'The Art and Practice Of Astral Projection' by ophiel. There are few better on the subject of 'how' to do it. A lot of other books are just talk, one well known one by Sylvan and Muldoon(2 writers), if my memory serves me correct, is an outright fake, yet it is very well know.

Yoda I gotta say there is a lot of '9' going on in this book. 72 as well as Mal just mentioned, that's a bit Buddhist. Nine being the only number that always when multiplied can be reduced to itself. 2x9=18 1+8+9, 3x9=27 2+7=9...and so on add infinitum. Seven is considered a magical number, perhaps of magic I should say, and two is duality, but 7+2=...you got it, again 9. Very Buddhist so far There's is a lot of reference to the different compass points, ie' King monkey sat facing the south'. As far as I remember....and my memory is shaky on this, the south is related to the element of fire, not the physical element but the inner one. So any magical practice related to expanding something would be faced in that direction. Quite what that had to with that situation I don't know, and all those compass points are giving me a headache. But that is more a Taoist slant.

I still don't get where witch is at. As for how to figure out if an entity is good/bad positive or negative it's usually quite simple if you have developed your perceptions. ie. you feel it. If your an evil little demon you can put on a bit of a show for a while, but that 'other' body of yours can feel the truth of the other being, now when I say feel I don't mean kind of guess, or intuition, although in body intuition is a product of that inner body, just not so accurate due to the diluted down state of human everyday consciousness. If it's demonic...and I don't mean in a Christian sense or anything...you can feel it once you can perceive in that place. It's part of that bodies senses, it's actually the 5 human senses combined, which is why in western esoteric traditions and eastern there is all the stuff about earth, water, fire, air/wind metal/akasha. It's simply to develop that more. That's a secret by the way. Apparently.

Ya, no one in China to be honest is too concerned with this whole 'democracy' issue. They care about 3 things, money, power and face. That's it. You would be hard pushed to find 1 in a 100 who even has any other base concepts as a motivating factor in their life. Can't blame them really, history has taught them that these 3 things are what assures survival through all kinds of upheavals, and the grandparents haven't forgotten the last one care of Mr. Mao, and since it's pretty much the grandparents through each generation that raises the children as the parents are at work cultivating money, power and face(where possible)then these base 'values' are what are retaught again and again. As one Chinese person told me 'if we had democracy, if one political party disagreed with another they could raise an army easily(care of the huge population)and cause a civil war', they would too, the communists know this as they avidly study their own countries history, happened all the time, wouldn't matter democracy or monarchy, there's always some group dissatisfied in China. With 1.3 billion people that's always likely. Good point. You forgot to mention the rest of the world too. Frankly, I've never met a bunch of people more capitalistic in the world than the Chinese. I think it is as Yoda says, it's more of a religious crisis than anything else. Bizarre thing is many believe in Qi gong(many do not also)but if you mentioned Daoism or Buddhism they would really laugh in your face; having said that Christianity is strangely getting more popular simply because it seems a bit fashionable and exotic!

I dunno....but you know you mentioned Kwan Yin as a Taoist deity but she's kind of Buddhist as well, and if we're really gonna go down that path then we gotta talk about the roots of the Monkey King himself. In the Hindu religion which predates Taoism they have a Monkey God called Huneman or Hunman which the Chinese one is based on, actually my spelling is off on both counts but it's something like that. It is true that the Monkey could have got the scriptures real quick, but he also wouldn't have become enlightened, he had to do the work, the journey...and as we all know it's the journey not the destination actually I do kind of disagree with that which is why my leanings are more Taoist, for me it's most definately the destination, but I think that was the authors point, the imapatience of the Monkey precludes him being able to achieve enlightenment and compassion. But if it were a Taoist text it would be one page long ie. Monkey went to India to pick up some scriptures. Then he came back. The end. Mal, Tripitakka also confused me when I was younger, supposed to be a boy but looks like a girl. I really had to question myself when I watched that show, I tried to focus myself more on Pigsys conquests. Actually it was a female actress, she died of leukemia some years later sadly. Anyway I better go off and do some reading.

ooooh, I like the sound of him! Anyone with a name that long must be onto something! And the fact that he gave up his body to 'attain unparalleled Utterances of Divine Revelation of Truth and Self Transcendence' just shows me how dedicated he is. I think he must be a real contender for Gods Direct Contact. It seems there are 3 possible choices, I myself am getting confused as to who I should follow. Having said that the Blonde Asian has got some t.v exposure in George Michaels 'I want your sex' video so I feel God would most likely use her as his direct contact on earth, as she does have media experience and Gods no fool when it comes to perusing a resume.

It must be said that is true, everything is feeding off something, and way down/in where we are if your not connecting to an upper/inner source, perhaps due to the fact the your not quite 'one' yet, or you have other ideas, then you gotta get a meal somehow and I believe some humans are quite the delicacy indeed, especially the ones developing chi! That's where I'd go for sure looking for a tasty energy boost, deeeelicious! It seems there are 4 camps, but I would like to add another, camp neutral. I think all the above stated are true, possibly positive interactions and possibly negative....although I do think negative is quite possibly more common. But the bonus is if you really wanna know if it's a positive one or negative one your gonna have to develop the ability of inner sight into your bag of tricks, you know it can kind of be seen as a nice little motivator......then again, once they've attached to you their not very helpful in that department. I had one when I was looking at it throw a energy net/blob over the 3rd eye area to deliberately obscure my sight. Ho hum. As for lost abilities all you have to do is work 'through' the logical mind. Kind of a nice little circle, kind of like some people are great at pool when they are drunk but suck when sober. Just takes some effort but it's still there. That left brain is always getting in the way.

Whilst doing nothing much except what I'm supposed to be doing on the toilet, I suddenly had a bit of a sudden revelation(as the topic title suggests), now I don't mean that I found the solution to perpetual motion or anything like that. It was more personal to me really. I suddenly had a very real emotional feeling as to what it's like to have a warm family, you know, with family outings and general family closeness. And for a brief minute I realized what kind of person I would be on a feeling level if in fact I had experienced such things during my childhood(which I didn't obviously). I also became aware of how I would have made very different choices in my life based on if I had had that feeling base within my personality, and how also if I can assimulate that feeling quality within my character I can create that. Like an emotional jump if you will to a different level. So, in anycase I was just wondering if anyone would care to share any revelations(I don't mean to get biblical)no matter what they were, big or small. Do ya care to share

Ya Carson.... not to be argumentative but if you scroll up the page to the top you will see it's followed by '....where, when and what' on the topic header:D But thanks for sharing your experience, very interesting Thanks, I can see why you didn't elaborate before, it's not a simple journey.