Maddie

oooooooooh i seeeeeeeeee, I was wondering how this topic came up, but when you put it that way it makes sense. (That video of Captain Kirk with one around his neck just cracked me up lol) In another jing related issue (sort of) last night I did the big draw and left most of the energy in my head. Now today I can not stop thinking about sex. I don't really feel the urge to have it, but I just can't stop thinking about it. Could this be a result of having sexual energy from the big draw in my head? I wonder what would happen if I drew it to my middle dan tien and kept it there?

Actually I did check it out, and indeed did find it to be helpful, but was also interested in personal experience as well.

From what I understand (and beleive me it is limited lol) the idea way its "supposed" to work in dual cultivation is that the woman gets the man's chi, and the man absorbs the woman's jing (in a perfect world) ;-). Another question I have about the whole Jing/testosterone/cultivation subject is..... If you practice such things as the Big Draw solo (my wife and I have a crappy relationship, which is why I ask about solo) does this make one too yang? Cause it sure seems like all I have to do is do the Big Draw solo just once or twice and then I feel uber yang, like an atomic bomb yang. If so, why would this make one so yang, and what can one do to make themselves more yin? (I would prefer to know a practice to make me more yin as opposed to foods, because my food budget is limited).

Just wondering if too my yang in the dan tien also means an excessive libido? Is focusing on the heart area (middle dan tien) is the answer if you are too yang then?

Thanks for the reply. Yea I have dabbled with fussion of the 5 elements before, but with that also I felt like I was just visualizing it, and did not really feel anything. I have been doing MCO for a while and with that I can feel stuff, which is why I was confused if it was supposed to be the same with fussion and Kan and li. So do you just keep at it as a visualization for a while until you start to feel something? That is sort of how it worked for me with inner smile and 6 healing sounds at first.

I realize that this thread sort of devolved from Jing to testosterone to cock rings :-/ .... anyways I was pondering Jing from another angle today.... It all started when I pondered why it is that generally men or more turned on visually and women are more turned on emotionally. I remembered reading that the three treasures (jing, chi, shen) are stored in the 3 dan tiens respectively (jing=lower , chi=middle, shen=upper). I also remember reading that men tend to have more chi (which is why we have more body hair) and women tend to have more jing (which is why they have more blood ex:menstration). So the man desires the woman's jing, and the woman desires the man's chi. Now if jing is a more dense substance, closer to the physical realm, and if men need/want jing, (which is housed in the lower dan tien) then would it not make sense that men would be attracted to the physical apperance of a woman's body? Would a healthy female body suggest strong jing? If women want/need the man's chi (which is housed in the middle dan tien, thus more related to emotions) then would she not be attracted to a man's emotional quality? If you think about it, young women have very strong jing, old women do not. Porn stars (not that I'm advocating porn, just making an example) do not tend to be old women, they almost always are young, and good looking (thus a poster child of strong jing). If you are a man have you ever really analyzed why you think a female body looks so nice? Typically we don't tend to analyze this stuff, we just like it and thats the end of the story. But what gives this visual representation such power? is it not really the jing, the energy behind it? If you consider the case of a really hot babe with some ugly guy (and yes we have all seen it) as a man you are thinking "wtf!!??". But the woman is after the chi, not the jing. Her focus is on the mans middle dan tien, while our focus is on her lower dan tien where the jing is. Perhaps that is one reason that men trend to as a general tend have their emotional focus "lower" than the average woman. Perhaps that is why the saying goes "when a man's jing is full he will no longer desire the woman". I suppose if a man has plenty of jing, he will no longer feel the need for it. So back to the topic of this thread originally. Maybe one of the best ways to increase jing is to first of all not waste it, and two learn dual cultivation with your partner (you get the jing, she gets the chi, everyone is living happily ever after ).

My sources are an assortment of TCM, Qigong, and Gilles Marin's "Five Elements, Six Conditions" he does Qigong / Chi Nei Tsang. Most Acupuncture / TCM sources state the same information as well, so does "Acupuncture for Dummies" of all places lol.

Now that I have a little more time on my hands, I'll like to give you a conerned word of caution. I have worked in the medical field in the past. I drew blood and took anatomy. There is stuff under your skin that you don't want to be poking. You could mess up your nerves, blood vessels, ect... That is why Acupuncturists go to school and study a while. I myself want to study acupuncture (among other things), but as I do not know acupuncture as of yet I would never stick a needle in myself with out proper training. I do acupressure, and find that I get good results from that, plus I don't have to worry about damaging something vital under my skin. Something else to consider is, lets say you do actually insert a needle into a acupoint, but you do use the wrong combination of needles, or something else that you are unaware of. Well now you might be screwing up your chi flow. If I was you I'd either a) go to an acupunturist if you need some work done, or try doing acupruessure.

What if the randiness isn't an urge to jack off, but rather it is unusual thoughts? Is that the same thing or not?

Ummmmm I would say acupressure is better to do to yourself.

If you suddenly out of the blue have very odd and obsessive thoughts isn't that a sign of a heart meridian disorder? Especially if you can not sleep and feel reved up on the inside?

I keep my elbows below the nipple line, and my fingers only a few inches apart now. Before I would hold my elbows at the nipple line, and my fingers were almost a foot apart. So that is how I made it smaller.

I had read from a few various Qigong masters that OBE's should not be attempted until a lot of other foundational work had been done first, or it can be dangerous.

Ok here is something I'm a bit confused about. What is the actual cause of desire? Lets say you start on day one after emptying yourself of fluid. Then usually desire is much less immediately afterwards. Now lets say you do nothing at all. Then you wait a few days and desire begins to increase again, and after a week or two you feel like an atomic bomb. Now obviously as time passes your body begins to replace its lost fluids, BUT is the cause of desire itself the amount of fluid you have or the energy contained in the fluid? I ask this because if my desire is strong, I can do the Big Draw, i.e. refrain from ejaculation, but cause the energy of the sperm to enter my MCO and store it at my dan tien, and then for a while I feel fine again, just as if I had released fluid, but the amount of time for desire to return afterwards is usually shorter than after a normal ejaculation. So this is what makes me ponder what the actual "thing" is that makes us feel desire in the first place?

Thats actually a very plausable theory. I had concidered that before as well that perhaps I had always been that angry and ZZ was just making me more aware of it, who knows?? One thing that has changed however is now that I do hold the ball a little smaller and lower it does not have the constrictive effect upon my diaphram that it used to have.

Interesting that you should put it that way, as I was pondering along those lines as well after that experience. I asked myself what is it that we are really seeking, and what I came up with was that sense of union, and connection with the "other" that you mentioned. After that I began to ponder how love and sex are related, and distinct, and how the two can become confused with eachother. I think that love of more of an emotional desire to connect with someone, or even more deeply with ourselves. Sex on the other hand is also a desire to connect, but at a different level, more on the level of sensation and passion. So it would seem that love is more yin and sex is more yang, and explain why men focus more on sex in general, and women on emotions, generally speaking. It also caused me to ponder one other thing. I have friends who have their relationship issues. Many of them are very needy/clingy, and constantly have problems with relationships and with themeselves (though most of them don't seem to realize they have problems with themselves). And I began to ponder how much relationship issues are actually due to an imbalance with in. When a person is really clingy, and hoping to find the person that will complete them (we all know friends like that) what it would seem they are actually doing is trying to have another person balance an imbalance that is inside them. But due to the imbalance their relationships are not usually healthy, or last very long, and so the cycle perpetuates itself. So I think the real answer is to not find the right person to make me happy, but to bring balance within the self. If we are constantly obsessed with sex, then find out why and find balance with in. If we seem to be searching for love in all the wrong places then perhaps we need to connect to what love truely is with in ourselves.

Ok here was/is my routine. I do the 8 brocades first, then I do wuji position for 5 min, then holing the ball/embracing the tree for 5, and back to wuji for 5. Back when I was having problems I would do holding the ball for 15 min but I held it higher and bigger. So far doing it this way has not resulted in the same temperment problems as before, in fact I feel more mellow now than ever

I'd suggest that if you are learning Dr. Yang's style, then do what he says as to avoid confussion. Then once you become a pro at that, then prehaps experiment with differant stuff. I really like Dr. Yang, his explinations are good, and his methods work well.

I had an unusual experience at work today. I am new at this job, and yesterday was my first real day. There is this girl who works there, and for some reason I felt a strong desire for her, which I could not understand. Again this happened today at work, and it made me really begin to wonder what was going on. Then I over heard her speaking to a co-worker that she was sexually frustated and thought about it all the time. So that confirmed my suspicion that she was horny. So needless to say feeling this energy of hers was quite distracting. So what I did was condence this energy (I assume it was her excess jing) at my dan tien. That resulted in me not feeling as frustrated, yet I knew that the energy was only stored and if I did not do something with it, that later it would begin to circulate in my MCO and cause me problems again. So I did reverse abdominal breathing, and unexpectedly I felt this orgasmic surge go up the right side of my neck and cause my third eye to pulsate. I read Drew describing something similar I think, and was thinking to myself "holy crap this is like what Drew was talking about". After that I didn't have the problem of wanting her anymore, plus I felt quite nice. So what was the deal, was she like exploding with jing or something? She even admitted to always thinking about it, plus when your around her you definately feel it, so whats up with that?? Does that have something to do with females wanting men's chi, and men wanting female's jing? Was the relief I felt due to me converting her jing into chi? I got so many questions about what happened?

I had a very similar problem. I would work my way up to 15 min and yea same thing, be very tempermental. So I stopped for a while. Then I mentioned that on here, and it was recommended that I do "hold the ball" a little lower and smaller and that has seemed to help. But than again I am only doing hold the ball for 5 min now, and the rest of the time I'm in wuji posture. But yea I know EXACTELY what your talking about. P.S. I don't know if this has anything to do with it, but now I do the rooting visualization when I do ZZ also.

Right now I'm reading the book "Beyond Band of Brothers, the war memoirs of Major Dick Winters". I found something he said in the book very interesting in regards to the relation of physical and mental health. "Physical exhaustion leads to mental exhaustion, which in turn, causes men to lose discipline. Loss of self-discipline keeps a soldier doing his job. Without it, he loses his pride and he loses the importantce of self-respect in the eyes of his fellow soldiers. It is pride that keeps a soldeir going and keeps him in the fight..... I often wondered why I didn't break under the strain of combat.... another factor was undoubtedly my physical conditioning." pp 173-174, "Beyond Band of Brothers, the war memoirs of Major Dick Winters", Maj. Dick Winters, with Col. Cole C. Kingseed. I found this observation from a World War II combat soldier facinating. He observed how a healthy physical body help to keep one mentally healthy under severe stress and strain. Sometimes it seems that the line between where qigong ends and where western exercises begin is hard to determine.

This is a big question I have been pondering for some time now (like ever since I started doing qigong lol). Never one to just take someone else's word for it, I have sort of used myself as a human lab rat. When I was in the Army we did of course a lot of PT, running, push ups, sit ups, ect... Granted I was in excellent physical condition, yet my emotions were really problematic. After I got out of the army I continued to do the same sort of PT stuff because I did not want to become a fat civilian slob lol, yet my emotions continued to be my main problem in life. So I began qigong with the primary goal of balancing my emotions as that was my biggest problem in life as opposed to being physcially out of shape. Granted I still do some PT type stuff, primarily in my Karate work outs, but as a percentage it is much less now as in relation to the amount of qigong I do. I definately do not feel like I am in the same level of physical conditioning as I was when I was in the army, yet my emotional state now as compared to the time I was in the army is improved (and hopefully continues to improve). Also I was in the army before the Iraq/Afganistan thing began so my emotion problems were not related to PTSD, but just life itself. So with all that being said I suppose that perhaps its simply a matter of priorities. What is your goal? what do you want to get out of it? If the answer is to be physically fit, then perhaps PT stuff is the most direct route. If inner issues are your primary goal then perhaps Qigong is the most direct route?

I know that a lot of kung fu people do qigong as part of their training, but what I do not understand is how exactely the two are related. How does qigong benefit kung fu or other hard exercises?

When I first began qigong I had a somewhat similar sensation on the back of my neck at C-7 but not as severe as you describe. After doing MCO for a while it cleared up.

From your description, off hand it sounds like a throat chakra blockage, based upon all the problem areas and symptoms you described. Do you also feel it difficult to express yourself, feel like your not listened to, ect??