Maddie

I guess the meat of the matter is what are some of the most effective ways to sublimate sexual energy into jing and jing into chi? I have so far heard of full lotus, MCO, testicle breathing, big draw, stillness, ect... What in those of you who do this expereince is/are the most effective ways of conversion?

Its interesting that I have gotten back several references to the Liver in regards to these problems. One thing I have noticed is that the last several times I have done my inner smile/healing sounds I have spent most of my time on the Liver cause I found so much junk in there. Two days ago I spent a significant amount of time on my Liver, and yesterday I was so exhausted and felt so crappy that I didn't really do anything at all. Just spent quite a bit of time again working on my liver. Hope I don't get exhausted again lol.

Ok here is a long standing dilmea I have had. I have always had a tendency to be interested and drawn to philisophical type topics, untangable type things such as spirituality and energy, the "big picture of life" ect... And as a general trend I have tended to have a rather hard time making money, find the conversations of the vast majority of people rather boring and shallow, and find typical day to day tasks tedious, (as I've noticed the same trends with a lot of other people who have this kind of personality as well), but of course this can be quite problematic for obvious reasons. A few months ago in order to become more grounded in tangable reality I tried doing standing meditation, and it seemed to help in that area a bit, because doing mundane tasks didn't seem quite as boring, but once my standing practice (holding the ball) got up to about 15 min (from the "way of energy" by Master Lam Kam Chuen) my emotions started to get explosive, so I stopped. After I stopped it seemed two things happened. I got less tempermental, and mundane tasks started to seem more unpleasant again. From what I have read this seems like a weakness in the root chakra, which is why I did standing meditation (to root). But then why would I become tempermental in trying to deal with it? When I was at University I saw a lot of people like this, even more so than me. They seemed brilliant about academic and philosophical issues, but when it came to chopping wood and carrying water they had no clue. Why are so many deep thinkers and intelligent people poor? My in laws (besides being kind of annoying) are not what I would call intellectuals, but they are very pragmatic. Most of them run their own contracting business, and all of them make tons of money, and are about as deep as the kiddie pee pool. So I guess my BIG question is how can one, if they tend to be of the personality that is drawn to the more intangable side of things, still do well in physical reality as well???

I'm not sure if you want to go into your personal life, but if you wouldn't mind, I'd be interested to hear how a divorce got things moving in that area of your life?

Hmmm that is interesting because it sounds similar to myself. Before I ever attempted full lotus I always had a very hard time with doing high side kicks in karate because of my hip joints. I read that the hips are realted to the root and sacral chakras and those chakras are realted to sexuality amongst other things. Sexuality has also been a problematic area in my life as well, so I've wondered what the connection was/is. I also have this feeling that my Karma sucks bad, and since most of my issues tend to be lower chakra issues, I guess my bad karama is mainly contained in that area of my body as well. Also makes me ponder what a yoga instructor I was friends with said. She said that sometimes in class certain posses would relase energy blockages spontaniously and the student would have an emotional reaction.

Oh I have emotional blockages fo sho lol, which was the primary reason I got into qigong in the first place ... emotions / sexuality. So yea I agree with your assesment. Just seems like I am making progress, but it sure seems slow *sigh. Something you said made me ponder something. So lets say I have emotional blockage x,y, and z. If my chi level is relatively low then those blockages do not offer a whole lot of resitance and remain mild nucances. But when I retain for a week or two then blockage x,y, and z suddenly become X,Y,Z!!! Perhaps the increased energy from retaining for a while makes the blockages which already exist much more obvious and uncomfortable.

Just wondering if a blockage in the sacral chakra would casue one to be unduely focused on sex AND have a difficult time getting into full lotus as the sacral chakra is related to the hips?

Has anyone else has the experience that if they retain for a while, and the libido gets really high for a while, that not only the desire increases, but that sexual thoughts become more bizzare? and aggressive?

From time to time I've wondered how much outside spiritual influences make problems in my life, but for the most part I feel like overcoming myself is far more of a challenge than anything like demons are.

Well then I suppose being at a low level has its advantages sometimes lol

Well I'm not sure if he meant metaphorically or not, but I have noticed when I do the inner smile, I tend to dig up a bunch of gunk to deal with that I often did not even realize was there.

One question I have about meditation is how do moving Qigong exercises supliment or help one's meditative practice?

Well here is my daily routine more or less. 8 Brocades (20 min) Standing meditation (15 min) Inner smile (20 min) Stillness / Dan Tien breathing (15 min). So I'm not sure if I should be doing one of those more or less? It seems like a catch 22 though. Its much easier to sit in stillness when I have not reatined too long, and then as time goes by its harder to do that. Drew told me a good thing to do was sit in full lotus, but its hard for me to do that very long for now. So are you saying that just sitting in stillness meditation will do the trick as well?

Wow I loved that link. I have just recently restarted standing meditation with the root visualization . Just had an intuitive feeling lol. I really liked that article. It seems there are too many really spiritually brilliant people who are worthless in the real world. These same people tend to think something is wrong with the lower body, yet it is a part of us, a part of life, we need ALL of ourselves. As far as my wife goes yea she loves the actually bedroom practices due to the long lasting amount of fun she gets to have, but she does not seem to put 2 and 2 together to get 4. I think the main problem is her fundamentalist christian background. She might be ok for a while and then someone will come along and tell her that what I do is satanic and then shes off. As far as fields of work, yes, I want to become a Naturopath/TCM practitioner, and plant on going to school for that soon, as I just recently finished my Bachelors degree.

About that last statement....??? The longer I retain, I assume the more Jing I have, due to the fact that I'm not using it up to make more sexual fliuds, yet the longer I retain the stronger my drive becomes.

Yea I know this search engine does not work well. What I usual do is go to Google and just type in "tao bums...." and then what I want to look for. I usually get good results that way. Google the latest threat on "Third Eye" and there is all sorts of interesting stuff about that there. As to your questions. It did have something to do with the third eye, but not about it awakening, just there was more chi there than usual. I have this happen to me frequently sometimes when I try to and other times when I don't, such as doing the MCO. As to your second question read the thread I mentioned. Drew Hempel seems to know quite a bit about this topic so see what he says about it.

Yea I do go back to the book often to make sure I'm not missing something, but perhaps it just takes more practice. I do also use the rest of the practices as well, including inner smile, healing sounds, MCO, 8 Brocades ect.. I have found the full lotus to be very effective as well, but I have a hard time doing it for enough time. I I also read the past threads about Mantak Chia's system. You seem to know a lot about his practices. Can you go into more detail about what Testicle breathing does? Does it convert sexual fluid to jing, jing to chi? What has been your experience? I noticed the Big Draw is effective for me for a while, but after about 2 weeks, its simply not enough and I have to relase. Are you theoretically supposed to be able to retain/convert indefinately?

I use tea a lot to accomplish various goals. Chamomile is good to relax ye, and for settling the heart meridian when over stimulated, and strengthening the stomach meridian as well. Green as lots of antioxidants, and cancer prevention properties, Licorice is good for the kidney yin, and adrenal glands. I like Ginger tea for the digestive system, dandilion/milk thistle tea to clean and strengthen the liver, echinesea tea for the immune system, nettle tea to cleans the kidneys and for hayfever symptoms, kava tea to destress, and the list goes on and on. What are you goals, or do you simply want a nice tasting cup of tea to enjoy?

That pretty close to what Mantak Chia teaches except the lungs store sorrow rather than fear (think of being deflated). Fear is what the kidnyes store (just think of you get scared so bad you pee your pants lol), and you got the sounds right, just the one I learned from Chia for the kidneys is chooooooo but most of it is still the ooo sound. But yea and you got the colors right as well. Out of all the pratices I know of, for me this is by far one of the most effective of getting rid of unwanted emotions. neg. / pos. Kidney : fear / gentelness, will power, wisdom Lung: sorrow, grief / courage, righteousness Liver: anger / kindness, decisivness Heart: love, happines / hate, cruelty, over-excitement Spleen: worry / trust, openess, comfort

LOL I have her book, but I found your reference to money as metaphysical quite interesting, I shall ponder that.

Holding the ball a little lower and smaller has helped a lot with my breathing. Does anyone else get really hot from doing ZZ? Like even when they are just in wuji posture?

One other thing of importance I thought I should mention. After I did the big draw the sexual energy issue was greatly improved, but there was still this lingering desire that really had no substance behind it. For a while I tried testicle breathing some more, but that did not seem to make a difference. Then I considered that after being sexual aroused it could create too much excitement. Over excitement / joy can harm the heart. So I did some smiling to the heart and heart healing sound and then that feeling of being overly stimulated mentally went away as well.

I did an experiment today and stopped the chi at my heart center for a bit to see what would happen. I started getting palpatations, and overly stimulated. Now I remember why I don't do it.

I was reading meditationexpert.com and he seemed to imply that yoga asanas only made you flexible but did not do anything to your chi. Now I was kind of supprised to hear that because I had always been told that asanas and Qigong exercises / movements did work on your chi and meridians, not only on your flexibility. I know a yoga instructor and she said that sometimes people will have emotional reactions from doing various poses as an energy blockage is relased by the pose. So my question is do the physical movemnts help your chi, and if so how so? If they do not then what is their purpose?