Maddie

I mention this because the claim is that Jesus' teachings were so revolutionary that they changed the world for the better. It seems in reality they did not.

The behavior of the church throughout the centuries seems to invalidate this claim. The crusades and inquisitions, along with witch trials are just a few examples of many.

Just to make sure I understand your claim correctly, it sounds like you're saying that Jesus never existed? I don't think one can read the Bible and draw that conclusion.

I'm familiar with the story but I don't see the significance?

What do you base these claims on? Sources?

Technically though my question is what did he teach that was so profound that merits him being the most amazing teacher ever?

Touche 😉

Except he told doubting Thomas to touch him.

That's why I specified who's definition lol. The term "enlightenment" is rather ambiguous. But still there is no proof this happened.

Actually rising from the dead is antithetical to enlightenment, at least according to the Buddhist definition. The Buddha said after an enlightened being dies there is no re-birth, no coming back. Also there is absolutely no proof that Jesus actually resurrected.

alleged resurrection lol

That's probably not how and why it actually happened historically. I think the disciples did a lot of retcon.

The whole human sacrifice for other peoples sins thing makes no sense from a justice point of view, which is what it appeals to.

Yeah that makes no sense at all.

There have been some interesting points on both side, but to me personally for someone to be the greatest teacher of all time they need to have a little more than just "don't be a dick" to offer.

No, seems fine for me. Also about the Jesus quotes you posted. Yes of course there are the good sounding bits, BUT in the same sermon on the mount that you quoted from he also tells people that they can't get divorced for just about any reason and does not condemn slavery. So basically Jesus is condemning a woman in an abusive marriage to that fresh hell, and condoning slavery. So sure there might be some good bits, but there are also a lot of not good bits. The fact that we as human beings can pick out the good bits from the bad bits means that we have a better moral compass than god and therefore god is not that great after all.

Most historians and scholars believe that the man existed but was heavily mythologized.

That very well might have been his personal understanding, but it was not the historical understanding of the Church throughout the millennia. It also does not seem to be what Jesus himself taught. John 14:6 "Jesus answered, "I am the way and the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me." The theologist then seem to be more compassionate than the all compassionate and all loving Christian god somehow.

I don't think the Greco-Roman gods throw someone into hell for forever if they don't believe in them? Doesn't seem to compassionate to me?

This was being taught before Jesus. Can you give a specific example of something that Jesus taught that was new, revolutionary AND changed the world?

Here's a question that I don't think has been asked yet. What exactly did Jesus teach that was so novel or significant? I don't really see anything amazing in the gospels and somethings quite disturbing to be honest.

I thought since I was a history major and since we have this new shiny Abrahamic forum I would bring up the fascinating and totally not controversial topic about the evolution of Christianity. My basic understanding is this 1. Early Christianit(ies) in the first few centuries of the CE. 2. The transition to Orthodoxy as one branch of Christianity became the official religion of the Empire. 3. Then there was the great schism of 1054 when the Church split into East and West, because.... reasons. 4. The Protestant reformation which began in 1517 with Martin Luther. There should be a lot to unpack there and discuss.

So then what exactly is the purpose of LDT breathing exactly?

Just recently I've become interesting again in looking into breathing techniques. I just feel that there are so many out there its a bit difficult to make sense of them all.

There's literally a whole discussion thread about this topic that you clearly didn't read. Try reading the thread before you ask the same question everyone's been talking about already for quite a while.