Maddie

Perhaps more suitable on another thread, but I want to ask you a question. I myself is going into another period of retention, plan to do it 100 days, not many days jet This is part of my health care system, a new wersion of it. Anyway what interests me in your post is that you more or less get rid of your sexual desires from the cold draw. I also do the cold draw, but not more than perhaps four times a weak, and I also do the big draw and testicle massage and other universal tao practises. What I wonder is how often do you need to do the cool draw or testicle breathing to get the desired efect. How often do you practise the method?

 

FD

To basically have no sex drive so to speak of I have to do it at least once a day, sometimes twice.

An interesting twist is that I have been very effective at eliminating my sex drive with this technique, but as all this energy is entering various points on my MCO its clearning out blockages which can also be a quite difficult thing to go through.

Hey Dawg, if I understand corectly you or somewhat isolated at the moment as you work on your spiritual goals. This raises a question I have? Do you get or feel lonely doing this? If not, why not?

I've been working a lot on my MCO lately using the cold draw as my energy source. Though I often don't do the draw very far up my MCO as I feel that a lot of my issues right now are Sacral charka issues, so I am drawing a lot of energy there to open blockages.

I have been trying this approach to ask myself why I feel the way I do as opposed to trying to make myself feel how I think I should. One thing I have noticed so far is that I want to be close to people but not close to people at the exact same time.... I don't get it.

I think you are heading toward the right path here. From what I've read of your various posts, I will make a suggestion.

 

You are avoiding something. You are pouring yourself into energy work and practices and meditation as a way of distracting yourself from something that you do not want to face. A part of you already knows what needs to be done, but you feel trapped. So you are trying to work with the situation. You are trying to become okay with being trapped.

 

Like Zhang said... I'm going to suggest something radical.

 

There isn't anything wrong with you. You're just in a bad situation that you are trying to cope with.

 

Try this... ask yourself, "What would happen if I don't stop (whatever you're worried about)." When you get an answer to that, follow up with, "So what? What would happen if that happens?"

 

The trick is not to quiet your mind. The trick is to focus it, acknowledge what it is focused on, accept it and then act on it. Once you do that enough, you will find you do not need to act anymore. Then the mind becomes quiet.

hmmmm interesting.... I'll try that approach

I have a video tape version that I got from YMAA. It is the first 64 movements, and I have done it somewhat. I have not made it part of my regular practice but did enjoy doing it. As far as how it compares to Bruce Franzis I have no idea lol.

I have been doing the cold draw since early September (no loss, not even any self stimulation) so it looks like I finally found a technique that works in that regards. It has been very effective at minimizing my sex drive. Why would I want to do such a thing? Well a big reason is that I'm going through a divorce, and so before I left didn't even want to touch her cause she was mean and nasty to me. Second I am trying to use all that potent energy to heal myself on the inside. Third I don't want to rush out into a rebound type relationship situation, cause to me that says "I can't be complete on my own, I have to have someone else to make me happy".

I'm 99% sure I won't do this the rest of my life, but I think for now it is what I really need to be doing, and this technique has worked wonderfully for that. I used to do the big draw, but that just kept me hot and bothered constantly, so I have found if you want to go a long time and keep desire low the cold draw is the key.

For a long time I used to reject daydreaming or idle musing because I am interested in things that work and have some effect. I thought that daydreaming was just a waste of time - lacked energy and even sapped energy from me.

 

However the more meditation I did over the years I realized that when I daydream my mind is telling me something. Sometimes it is telling me things that I otherwise could not access. I realized that there is energy involved although in a different phase from what I prefer. Provided there is no indulgence in daydreaming ... that is as long as you don't prefer it to the extent that you become completely abstracted from things that matter ... then it can be a helpful thing. It is part of the rich terrain of the mind which we can explore.

My western sign is scorpio, my chinese is tiger...

You know this is interesting cause I was sort of pondering this in the back of my head, like what if these annoying thoughts n such are my bodies way of trying to get my attention about something that I need to know. In the past when I have stopped just trying to get rid of such thoughts, and actually try to decipher the reason I am having them, it often leads me to a blockage somewhere and then I get to work on that blockage and then poof problem solved.

I'm going to say something pretty radical here. Now it's not to say that things like focusing on getting work done and all is not a good thing, because it is. Leading a stable life can lead to a really content, full, pretty pleasant feeling. But since everyone's going to tell you that anyway, I'm going to suggest something a bit more.... out there....

 

 

Has it ever occurred to you that maybe the things you are doing, the things that "fantasy" "distracts" you from, are not really the best things you should be doing?

 

I say this because when you really get into something, time flies. You aren't looking for excuses to take breaks. Sometimes you forget to eat or sleep. And it's not even really a conscious decision. Sometimes you'll, say, make a sandwich, but then get re-absorbed in whatever it is you were doing, and then before you know it three hours have gone by and you've still got an uneaten sandwich on the counter! You are just really absorbed in the activity. The stuff that gets produced as a result of that activity are really high quality.

 

Now, there are ways that you can train/make yourself have this kind of focus for other things. But I'm suggesting that maybe you ALREADY know what it is you should be doing and how you should be spending your time, but you're trying to fit somewhere else.

 

B.K. Frantzis has a pretty good blog here. He's recently made a few posts titled "for the love of the game or ego?" He raises some interesting questions. He also relates a story that he's told a bit, about how, when he was younger, around 19, people would be amazed that he was doing 6 hours of really slow, really exacting qigong exercises. He says that he didn't ever set out to do a 6 hour practice. Rather, it was just minute by minute, second by second, that he kept making tiny micro changes, completely absorbed in the process, and before he knew it, 6 hours went by.

 

Maybe you should try to find that.

I appreciate your answer Sloppy, but after some more work on this topic, I believe that this is a Spleen issues, since when the spleen is out of wack there is a lot of obsessive thinking that really goes no where, which describes what I am/was going through. It did not feel good to me, so I saw it more as an imbalance.

cause I'm wasting a lot of time when I need to get things done

From time to time I tend to sort of get lost in my own little fantasy world in my head. I am trying to figure out what causes this, and what I should work on to lessen this. I am thinking either or both the upper dan tien and / or the heart. I suspect the upper dan tien because that is where your brain and perception are located, so perhaps if it is over active one may live up there there and not come down to earth.

The reason I suspect the heart is not only is it related to the mind, but also its problem area is over excitement. Since daily life can seem a little dull to some of the fantasies that we can dream up, or see in movies, I was wondering if its the hearts way of feeding itself with the over excitement it craves when its not in a state of balance.

These are just some thoughts, and I would be interested if anyone else had some insight, or even better experience dealing with this.

I added holding the ball at the middle dan tien to my practice today, will let you know how that is working for me in the days to come. ;-)

Yes it is because of that. Btw, if you can find a really old tree with a very wide trunk, like an old oak tree it would be a bonus as that will help canalise excess rooted fire in your system into the earth. The tree itself will take care of that because it is an older soul than you in this lifetime and its ability to deal with your layered emotions in the middle dantien. I see many females (as they don't deepen their emotions as men do) with this sort of problem and they use alcohol or other recreational drugs to release when it really worsens the problem as the liver Qi will be instantly open but after drinking it will shut off again and worsen as a result of excess emotional Yang canalised through the alcohol itself.

 

You need to find a tree this old or even older if you can (they show big holes in the trunk):

 

 

Gluck.

 

 

Edited: always say thanks to the tree, Gaia and heaven for sharing their energies with you. Also pray to any divinity you like asking for assistance and prompt healing. Don't understimate the power of prayer.

Thanks for the reply. You know its weird cause now that I am here I feel all sorts of gunk in my heart as in the "over excietment" of the heart which of course lies in the middle dan tien area. Not sure why exactely, but I'm sure it has to do with the change going on in some way.

And this is not the proper "joy" of the heart, but its negative variant of being too excitied.

I highly recommend you walking meditation for that (circular and/or linear) as well as embracing the tree Qigong at the middle dantien level. Finish with sitting meditation practice. 50:50.

 

Gluck.

I find this advice interesting as I was thinking doing something with the middle dan tien now would be really good, is that why you recommend holding the ball there?

Congrats!

 

I wonder if the sheer relief from getting away from that situation makes it easier to let whatever was under the situation out? Speculating as usual

definately plausable, if feel rather "weird" lately lol

You're in San Antonio now? That's one of the best cities!

Yea it is nice. I went to a great Spurs game on saturday

thanks, now phase two begins, dealing with all the emotional issues

for anyone who was paying attention I made it to Texas. Its been quite emotional for me because I came here to get away from my wife and her family who have treated me very poorly for a long time. What confuses me is that even though I hate the way she treated me, I feel really emotional anyways, not sure why considering how she has been to me for so long.

I suppose that is why I am interested in both Qigong and Martial arts. I have had a hard time explaining (even to myself) my draw to martial arts, but I know that its NOT because I want to be some bad ass tough guy (a lot of people I've known in martial arts do fit this category, and I find them extremely annoying). I instinctively feel in my gut that through martial arts there is some high virtue to be obtained. I had this same feeling about Qigong before I began it as well, and this has most definately turned out to be the case.

You know I will say this about the previous posts. I wanted to join the Marine Corps, but my father said I should join the army instead. He had been in the Marine reserves during the Vietnam era and hated it, and so thus decided that I would too. Yet me and my father are nothing alike (fortunately). So I ended up going into the Army, and the whole time I was in the army I regretted not going into the Marines like I has wanted to (felt that one in my gut also lol). The army was alright, but they did not have the same discipline and "warrior spirit" that I saw in the marines. I had gone to the Marine Military Academey in high school so this is how I knew somewhat of the marines.

Now I realize that a lot of people can see military guys, and especially marines as a bunch of jar heads, and there is some justification in this. But one thing people may not realize is that when you face death in the face, and when you contemplate what it means to possibly kill another human being, this can have quite an effect upon one's spiritual development. Granted there are those who do not learn the lesson, or miss it completely, but how is that different than anyone eles in soceity who misses the lessons that life tries to teach them?

As far as concerns about the morality of the government sending one into battle. Tell me when has any government that sent troops into battle had pure and noble motives? But not to sound like a re-run of "Black Hawk Down" when your on the battlefield and people are trying to kill you, you don't care about politics, and such, you just care about staying alive and your buddies to your left and right.

I'm not really sure why I got on this tangent, cause I think war sucks, and goverments are corrupt, but the point was on the individual warrior's own path. I've also learned through marital arts that one of the best ways to learn about another person and yourself is to fight them (not to sound like a Matrix re-run lol).

I guess this is the most relevent thread to post my question.

I do practice testicle breathing, scortal compression but my question is regarding dry ejaculations.

 

This topic is not covered much in any book i have read.

 

I would like to ask when i self pleasure and get close to orgasm i stop myself from ejaculating by holding my breath and contract the perinium with full force and pressing the perinium with the fingers. I go past the point of no return and actually have an orgasm(dry) without loosing semen. Because i do not loose semen this allows me to continue pleasuring myself, if i would have lost semen i would not be able to continue self pleasuring.

 

I again repeat the same process.

 

My question is how many times i repeat this dry ejaculation thing(going past the point of no return). Once, twice, thrice, or more? Till muscle fatigue?

 

Any response is appreciated...

Thanks.

Michael Winn and Mantak Chia have both said that external finger locking is not good for you, and I agree. If you are going to self stimulate and stop ejaculation its better to do internal locking where you contract the perineum muscles internally. If your goal is simply to have more "dry" ejaculations this is the safer method to do so. As far as when to stop.... stop when you want/have to lol.

I was a history major, and we learned in school that before the advent of modern artificial lighting that people had what was called "first" and "second" sleep. Before artificial lighting people had the general tendancy to go to bed earlier, then to wake up either around of after midnight, then be up an hour or so, and then go back to bed for what was called second sleep. Then once modern lighting was invented this trend faded away.

I now seem to be slowly coming out of this bout of fatigue that I have been experiencing lately. Now in retrospect, I realize that there were probably several factors involved (most of which I listed in previous posts on this thread), but I feel that one practice in particular had a lot to do with my fatigue.

Not too long before I began feeling very tired, I had begun the Cold Draw. This helped me a lot with controling my passion, but I became extremely fatigued not long after making it a regular practice. Here is my theory as to what happened.

I have for a long time (like most my life) I have tended to be "top heavy" energetically (my upper chakras being very developed, while my lower chakras were underdeveloped).

http://www.kheper.net/topics/Taoism/microcosmic_orbit.html

This link above lists many of the points on the Microcosmic Orbit, (which I believe are mini chakra's connected to their associated larger chakras). The first few lower chakras on this list, the perenium, tail bone, sacrum, are absolutely issues that have been problematic for me. Also my cold draw usually does not make it past these points mainly because it feels that these areas seem to suck up so much of the energy that I draw up. They feel like black holes in my MCO.

It's my theory that my fatigue I had been experiencing was the result of two related issues occuring simultaneously. One was that doing the cold draw removed a large amount of energy from an area that was previously used to having lots of energy in it (i.e. the genitle area). Second is that these lower chakras that I mentioned on my MCO were so severly energy deficient that once my excess sexual energy was moved into them, that they totally consumed it in an effort to balance themselves, thus removing this energy from my system.

Since the various layers of our energy bodies are multidimensional, I guess that what ever level that this energy was being drawn to was non accessable to my physical body any longer, thus resulting in my great fatigue.

On the other hand the emotional/psychological issues associated with these points on the MCO have seen improvement during this time period as well. So I think I was experiencing the personal equivilant to a "brown out", as in when the power grid of a city is being drawn upon to an extent which exceeds its capasity, and thus the entire grid is power deficient.

With respect to "increasing chi," you're better off learning martial arts from a good instructor than learning meditation with no instructor.

Yea its so important to learn this stuff the right way from someone who knows what they are doing. Due to not having an instructor near me when I began I sort of had to be my own lab rat, and that was rough. :-/