Maddie

Ok DO NOT do the Big Draw and leave the energy in your head overnight!!! Last night I did the Big Draw and left most of the energy in my head. Today all I could think about was sex, even though I did not have much desire. It was like it was all in my head litterally. I just spent the last hour drawing the energy down to my middle dan tien and the thoughts are slowing down.

Jews call on Yaweh , meaning God but they also call upon angels in the Qabbalah method.

 

Christians call upon God, some call on Jesus or use Jesus as an intermediary to reach God with the Holy Spirit.

 

Muslims call upon Allah alone , meaning God, without any intermediary or partner. They believe that God alone is to be called upon and that to supplicate or call upon something is a type of worship. The act of supplicating is worship in its self and the belief that these things can help you or protect you is also a type of emotional or sentimental worship. They say this is restricted to God alone and not to spirits or dead people or prophets or angels or abscent people.

 

You would be better off ejaculating every day, than to call upon dead people or spirits and angels even once.

 

Best wishes,

 

Shaolin.

 

Im not really sure how this is relevant to my question?

Hm. Differing views. I immediately saw the "Ring-of-Power" to be directly relevant to Taoist male sexual energy cultivation because most (by far) of the problems in those sorts of practices have to do with stagnation (obstructed circulation). The by-product of testosterone, DHT, causes muscular tension in the lower jiao, results of binding up of tissues and lack of circulation, and is notoriously difficult to get to and resolve (for many males, not all of course). The RoP prompts micro-circulation on a constant basis not only in the external genitals but in the connected internal plumbing as well. As soon as I saw this thread I saw the potential and ordered one and my lower tan tien breathing is much smoother as a result, with zero additional work. In fact, it's all much easier. I'm that much closer to "smooth-as-silk LTT breathing".

 

All the marketing of RoP for turning your wang into a WANG, increase testosterone, etc, I see as largely irrelevant and not to my purposes. I see it as simply facilitating smoother circulation, which it does! Historically I've tended to have difficult-to-resolve residual sexual tension, now that's gone, so I actually feel less sexy from wearing the RoP. Though I feel physically stronger, stronger and calmer. Probably not a good popular marketing angle for the RoP website, but suits my purposes fine.

 

Now if you're young and healthy and have no issues with sexual agitation (or any other varieties of circulation issues in the lower jiao) then it might be that you'd feel no difference from the RoP. People vary. For me, though, I've found it very helpful and very Taoist (if a little silly ).

 

- Trunk

 

p.s.

I've taken to calling it the "c*ck-shocker" for fun.

oooooooooh i seeeeeeeeee, I was wondering how this topic came up, but when you put it that way it makes sense. (That video of Captain Kirk with one around his neck just cracked me up lol)

In another jing related issue (sort of) last night I did the big draw and left most of the energy in my head. Now today I can not stop thinking about sex. I don't really feel the urge to have it, but I just can't stop thinking about it. Could this be a result of having sexual energy from the big draw in my head? I wonder what would happen if I drew it to my middle dan tien and kept it there?

You might find the Kan & Li section from AlchemicalTaoism.com to be helpful.

Actually I did check it out, and indeed did find it to be helpful, but was also interested in personal experience as well.

Interesting - so this hypothesis would propose that BOTH men & women lose jing through orgasm/ejaculation. However, since women don't orgasm as regularly as men during sex - then it is usually only men who lose their jing.

 

In order to "break even," the man would have to make the woman orgasm while he does too.

 

And to come out "ahead," he would have to make her orgasm while he is inside her, but doesn't himself.

 

But wouldn't both then exchange qi in the encounter, regardless?

 

Hmmm...who knows...all speculation here...

I'm just going to refrain as much as I can for now.

From what I understand (and beleive me it is limited lol) the idea way its "supposed" to work in dual cultivation is that the woman gets the man's chi, and the man absorbs the woman's jing (in a perfect world) ;-).

Another question I have about the whole Jing/testosterone/cultivation subject is..... If you practice such things as the Big Draw solo (my wife and I have a crappy relationship, which is why I ask about solo) does this make one too yang? Cause it sure seems like all I have to do is do the Big Draw solo just once or twice and then I feel uber yang, like an atomic bomb yang. If so, why would this make one so yang, and what can one do to make themselves more yin? (I would prefer to know a practice to make me more yin as opposed to foods, because my food budget is limited).

what freeform said plus eat tofu and drink soymilk and meditate upon the heart instead of dantian

what I observed was that I ejaculate when dantian is too hot and kidney lack of jing because of the hotness and all the jing evaporates. nocturnal ejaculation is a sign that there is too much Yang in dantian, so the solution is to cooldown. try it and you'll see that works. especially in the nights with full moon, when the energy of the night is too yang. also dont cool down too much especially in winter you can catch a cold, when you feel the energy is cold, stop eating tofu and meditate more upon the fire in the heart. is just a matter of tunning, to find a balance between Yin and Yang.

 

(later edit)

 

also, you can know the kidney state by the bags under the eyes, if you have sucked eyes and dark shades under the eyes that means too much Yang in the kidney, if you have bags with water under the eyes that means the kidney are full of jing/Yin. the best is not too much, not too little. everyone doing qigong exercises are doing too much thinking that the more practice the better, but that is not true, one should learn to stop the practice when the purpose of that particular practice is achieved or the limits of their organism does not allow further progression - which can be due to genetics. energy allways change, so the practice should change accordingly.

Just wondering if too my yang in the dan tien also means an excessive libido? Is focusing on the heart area (middle dan tien) is the answer if you are too yang then?

I took all the kan & li classes with Michael Winn although I haven't been doing much consciously with it in awhile. There's definately something to be said for getting the feeling of it from being in a class. I think it would be much more challenging to really get it just from a book, at least for me. So if you do have an opportunity to go to a workshop sometime definately do that. Have you done fusion of the five elements? That and working with the microcosmic orbit are pretty much prerequisite. I find that fusion of the five elements starts out as pretty much a visualization but as you do it takes on more and more of a real quality. You feel you aren't just manipulating the elements with your mind, but can actually feel it in your body. Kan and Li is the same way. You might start out thinking you are just visualizing but when you really get it there is definately a feeling to it. Hope this helps.

Thanks for the reply. Yea I have dabbled with fussion of the 5 elements before, but with that also I felt like I was just visualizing it, and did not really feel anything. I have been doing MCO for a while and with that I can feel stuff, which is why I was confused if it was supposed to be the same with fussion and Kan and li. So do you just keep at it as a visualization for a while until you start to feel something? That is sort of how it worked for me with inner smile and 6 healing sounds at first.

Does/has anyone done Kan and Li, specifically the lesser kan and li? I have the book from Chia and was hoping to get some tips and pointers from anyone's personal experience with it. Do you feel much or is it mostly visualization?

I realize that this thread sort of devolved from Jing to testosterone to cock rings :-/ .... anyways I was pondering Jing from another angle today....

It all started when I pondered why it is that generally men or more turned on visually and women are more turned on emotionally. I remembered reading that the three treasures (jing, chi, shen) are stored in the 3 dan tiens respectively (jing=lower , chi=middle, shen=upper). I also remember reading that men tend to have more chi (which is why we have more body hair) and women tend to have more jing (which is why they have more blood ex:menstration). So the man desires the woman's jing, and the woman desires the man's chi.

Now if jing is a more dense substance, closer to the physical realm, and if men need/want jing, (which is housed in the lower dan tien) then would it not make sense that men would be attracted to the physical apperance of a woman's body?

Would a healthy female body suggest strong jing? If women want/need the man's chi (which is housed in the middle dan tien, thus more related to emotions) then would she not be attracted to a man's emotional quality?

If you think about it, young women have very strong jing, old women do not. Porn stars (not that I'm advocating porn, just making an example) do not tend to be old women, they almost always are young, and good looking (thus a poster child of strong jing). If you are a man have you ever really analyzed why you think a female body looks so nice? Typically we don't tend to analyze this stuff, we just like it and thats the end of the story. But what gives this visual representation such power? is it not really the jing, the energy behind it?

If you consider the case of a really hot babe with some ugly guy (and yes we have all seen it) as a man you are thinking "wtf!!??". But the woman is after the chi, not the jing. Her focus is on the mans middle dan tien, while our focus is on her lower dan tien where the jing is. Perhaps that is one reason that men trend to as a general tend have their emotional focus "lower" than the average woman. Perhaps that is why the saying goes "when a man's jing is full he will no longer desire the woman". I suppose if a man has plenty of jing, he will no longer feel the need for it.

So back to the topic of this thread originally. Maybe one of the best ways to increase jing is to first of all not waste it, and two learn dual cultivation with your partner (you get the jing, she gets the chi, everyone is living happily ever after ).

Hmm, very interesting discovery - do you have a source for this? Is that from TCM or somewhere else?

 

I have a feeling that I am now starting to deal with issues stored in my upper chest (heart, lungs, upper back) & neck/throat/mouth/back of head areas...

My sources are an assortment of TCM, Qigong, and Gilles Marin's "Five Elements, Six Conditions" he does Qigong / Chi Nei Tsang. Most Acupuncture / TCM sources state the same information as well, so does "Acupuncture for Dummies" of all places lol.

Now that I have a little more time on my hands, I'll like to give you a conerned word of caution. I have worked in the medical field in the past. I drew blood and took anatomy. There is stuff under your skin that you don't want to be poking. You could mess up your nerves, blood vessels, ect... That is why Acupuncturists go to school and study a while. I myself want to study acupuncture (among other things), but as I do not know acupuncture as of yet I would never stick a needle in myself with out proper training. I do acupressure, and find that I get good results from that, plus I don't have to worry about damaging something vital under my skin. Something else to consider is, lets say you do actually insert a needle into a acupoint, but you do use the wrong combination of needles, or something else that you are unaware of. Well now you might be screwing up your chi flow. If I was you I'd either a) go to an acupunturist if you need some work done, or try doing acupruessure.

Sexuality has long been problematic in my life, yet some aspects of it seem to be different than what I observe the majority of other people seem to experience. But first let me degress a little with some back ground that I feel is relevant to this topic.

I grew up with a very abusive father physically, mentally, emotionally, and verbally. He was very harsh and seemed to almost enjoy humiliating and degrading his children. When I first started to notice girls in high school the emotional damage I had incured made me quite akward around girls, and thus my dating and social life was practially non-existant. After high school I joined the army and wound up in Ft. Benning GA as my first duty station. I met this slutty fluzzy but since she seemed to show intersted in me and because of my abusive father my self esteem was shot to hell I fell for her anyways. I stupidly got married to her at her insistence (she wanted an army meal ticket) and on my first training rotation to the desert she cheated on me and that ended that adventure.

As a result of that trauma I joined a christian cult and due to its strict rules about dating I did not date another girl for about 6 years. After 6 years my future wife came to visit this church. She did not like the church but appearantly liked me. Since at this time I was sick of this church anyhow I left the church and got married to her (the second girl that seemed to show interest in me). Well needless to say this marriage hasn't been a rose garden either.

By 2006 I was on anti-depressants, but didn't like the way they made me feel. In 2008 I began Qigong and became very interested in TCM and herbs. Due to this combination I was able to get off perscription anti-depressants. So what does all of this have to do with the topic.

From the time I was a teenager, all the way up until after I got married to my current wife, I was totally sex obsessed in the traditional way (as far as unhealthy obsessions go). I would think about women all the time, wanted women all the time. The focus of my libido and desire was mainly centered in my genitals (not to say that I did not desire companionship very much as well). This is a nice way of saying I wanted very badly to stick it in a woman and relieve myself (crude I know, but alas that is how it was). It was always very straight foward, I saw woman, Mr. Happy got excited, I wanted woman, Mr. Happy did his thing, ahhhh now time to roll over and take a nap.

But then shortly before the time that I wound up on anti-depressants things took a turn for the weird. My thoughts and desire about sex became more unusual. Strange unwanted fantasies would enter, and I began to want and do things that before would have seemed horrid to me. Additionally when I would get aroused in this new and unusal way no longer did I primarily feel desire in the genital area. It was more like it was in my chest core area in the center of me. I would not experience errections at this new and unusual stimulation. Instead the stimulation was deeper inside me, higher up, and more bizzare. This of course began to worry me extensively. I don't desire to go into too much detail, but many of these bizzare fantasies that would plauge me were of the BSDM nature, and I find that stuff horrifying. Yet I could not make it go away, even though I hated it. That was a large part of the reason I wound up on anti-depressants.

This has been something that has been tormenting me for the last few years now. I can be going along minding my own business and then boom out of no where "it" will hit me, and hit me hard. When it hits me really hard, I might not be able to sleep all night because these thoughts have me so wound up. I have pondered what this might be for a long time now through the Qigong perspective, the TCM perspective, and many other wholistic and natrual approaches.

This hit me again last night. I stayed up quite late due to this. At first I tried sitting in full lotus, doing MCO, testicle breathing in order to remove and transform sexual energy so that it would not be a problem for me. This did not help. So after that I began to do the inner smile and healing sound of the heart as that is associated with over excitement. This did also not seem to help much either. Eventually I went to bed, but when I woke up this morning the problem was still present. I tried the kidney channel instead, as this is related to sexual energy,but this did not seem to help either. Then the spleen for obseesive thoughts, and the liver for its relationship to libido and agression, but none of this helped as well.

Finally with only the lungs left I decided to give it a try, but I could not see how sorrow (the traditional emotion associated with the lung was realted). So I began to smile to my lungs, and to do the healing sound. Amazingly I began to slowly feel better as I did this! I did not understand why this was helping, but the longer I smiled to my lungs and did the healing sound, it seemed the more I gained insight as to just what was hiding in my lungs after all.

See besides sorrow and grief, the lungs also are responsible for personal boundries, personal pride, self respect, courage, and self esteem. These fantasies that had overcome me were almost always of some sort of BSDM, humiliation, submissive, type scenario; all the attribues that are the exact opposite of self respect, pride, honor, boundries, ect. Also I was dumbfounded at the sheer volume of negative energy that was locked up in my lungs. I literally did the lung healing sound for several hours today, just so much came out, it was unbelieveable. I suppose this also explains why I would not feel the stimulation in my genital area which is the normal area of sexual stimulation, but in my chest where my lungs are. Why the obsession, I'm not sure, but I do have a theory based on some personal observations from my own experience.

Another issue I struggled with was fear. When I was a young child my father would make me constantly fearfull. People used to tell me that I would always look afraid. It seemed that when I went through my fearful phase of life, that I seemed to attract to myself things that would make me afraid. It was not until I began doing Qigong and began to remove that stored up fear energy from my kidneys that not only did I stop being afraid, but I also stopped attracting the things I feared to myself. Perhaps its a matter of like attracts like? So maybe in this case with my father constantly humiliating me and degrading me as a child, there was a lot of negative lung energy such as sorrow (which would explain the anti-depressants) and a sever lack of the lungs virtues of pride, self respect, boundries, ect.. BSDM is the total antithesis of those virtues. There is no pride, its about humiliation, and those seemed to be the scenarios that tormented me against my will.

Now I don't know if its over, for in my Qigong experience nothing is ever so cut and dry, fast and easy. But I do know that as I started working on my lung channel that this obession faded away, and that I began to slowly feel better. I also know that sadness is something that has been a long time problem of mine, yet often due to the painful nature of negative energy stored within us we do not like to look at or acknowlege it, meaning that it was there all along, but I didn't want to face it. But the main reason I posted all of this is because I was wondering if anyone else is familiar with non-genital type sexual compulsions?

 

 

Basically if a male gets randy then it is required that you meditate until the sensation to jerk your dick off goes completely away.

 

http://springforestqigong.com

What if the randiness isn't an urge to jack off, but rather it is unusual thoughts? Is that the same thing or not?

Hi Everyone,

 

I just wanted to pick your collective brains about any danger associated with self accupuncture. I should also add that I am not following any charts or maps. Interestingly enough, I have gained more benefit from intuiting where I should put the needles then paying for accupuncture from a so-called professional trained in China. Also, I am using the needles to try to reduce muscular tension.

 

Thanks everyone

Ummmmm I would say acupressure is better to do to yourself.

If you suddenly out of the blue have very odd and obsessive thoughts isn't that a sign of a heart meridian disorder? Especially if you can not sleep and feel reved up on the inside?

Very interesting, So which postures are the most "water"? So Do I keep my arms BELOW or at level with the nipple?

 

Dmatt, I am not sure how u end up doing this LOWER SMALLER posture, could u elaborate A little more if possible.

 

Drunkard, Should I plae my hand at my navel the way its reccomended on top of a moving practice? I might just do someshaking for a few minutes....

 

THanks everyone for your responses!!

I keep my elbows below the nipple line, and my fingers only a few inches apart now. Before I would hold my elbows at the nipple line, and my fingers were almost a foot apart. So that is how I made it smaller.

I had read from a few various Qigong masters that OBE's should not be attempted until a lot of other foundational work had been done first, or it can be dangerous.

I can really identify myself with that. I'm starting to come out of a four month period where I would be so angry that my head would spin as soon as I was bothered by anything, and as time went it became more and more apparent that it had to do with the fact that after training my head was clear from everything blocking my emotions, and I was actually feeling what I was feeling.

 

Getting easier now, I've come to terms with much of the reality I've been keeping at bay, but I'm guessing that just means that there will soon be something new to shake me. The important thing is to not get scared and back out of training. There's nothing wrong with getting angry, sad, extatic or frightened, as long as it is only temporary.

 

I started out doing it like lam kam chuen said in the book, but after a while i substituted baduanjin for a neigung routine. 10-15 minutes holding the ball. Afterwards I do taiji and sitting meditation.

Thats actually a very plausable theory. I had concidered that before as well that perhaps I had always been that angry and ZZ was just making me more aware of it, who knows?? One thing that has changed however is now that I do hold the ball a little smaller and lower it does not have the constrictive effect upon my diaphram that it used to have.

I think that on the most primal level our sexual desire is our spiritual desire for the sense of union, completion and connection with the seeming "other" for the sake of inner fulfillment. I think the act of sex is the most frictional portrayal of our innate desire for the union of polarities.

 

Which is why when we feel deeply complete within, the desire for sex transforms through inner satisfaction of that outward turning energy, or gets highly spiritualized. Even if we are to act upon the externalized desire we more deeply realize it's inner meaning on a spiritual dimension.

Interesting that you should put it that way, as I was pondering along those lines as well after that experience. I asked myself what is it that we are really seeking, and what I came up with was that sense of union, and connection with the "other" that you mentioned.

After that I began to ponder how love and sex are related, and distinct, and how the two can become confused with eachother. I think that love of more of an emotional desire to connect with someone, or even more deeply with ourselves. Sex on the other hand is also a desire to connect, but at a different level, more on the level of sensation and passion. So it would seem that love is more yin and sex is more yang, and explain why men focus more on sex in general, and women on emotions, generally speaking.

It also caused me to ponder one other thing. I have friends who have their relationship issues. Many of them are very needy/clingy, and constantly have problems with relationships and with themeselves (though most of them don't seem to realize they have problems with themselves). And I began to ponder how much relationship issues are actually due to an imbalance with in. When a person is really clingy, and hoping to find the person that will complete them (we all know friends like that) what it would seem they are actually doing is trying to have another person balance an imbalance that is inside them. But due to the imbalance their relationships are not usually healthy, or last very long, and so the cycle perpetuates itself.

So I think the real answer is to not find the right person to make me happy, but to bring balance within the self. If we are constantly obsessed with sex, then find out why and find balance with in. If we seem to be searching for love in all the wrong places then perhaps we need to connect to what love truely is with in ourselves.

Well thanks guys for the resonses! But this is very interesting, especially if it happened to another person too.. It is worth investigating. DMATT what posture were u practicing? I switch between, embracing the tree, hand in the river, holding up the balloon. Did u store the energy afterwards? How long do u do wuji, and does that help?

 

 

Pablo what do u mean staring at the front very intensly? I kind of let my vision blur...

 

I thought it might be release but I also thought it might be energing my emotions in general???

 

Lets discuss....

Ok here was/is my routine. I do the 8 brocades first, then I do wuji position for 5 min, then holing the ball/embracing the tree for 5, and back to wuji for 5. Back when I was having problems I would do holding the ball for 15 min but I held it higher and bigger. So far doing it this way has not resulted in the same temperment problems as before, in fact I feel more mellow now than ever

Question: Is this the best sitting-style for what I'm doing? Or would it be better to sit in full-lotus position (with hands positioned as described)? Yang, Jwing-Ming suggests a very different sitting style. So how should I sit?

I'd suggest that if you are learning Dr. Yang's style, then do what he says as to avoid confussion. Then once you become a pro at that, then prehaps experiment with differant stuff. I really like Dr. Yang, his explinations are good, and his methods work well.

I had an unusual experience at work today. I am new at this job, and yesterday was my first real day. There is this girl who works there, and for some reason I felt a strong desire for her, which I could not understand. Again this happened today at work, and it made me really begin to wonder what was going on. Then I over heard her speaking to a co-worker that she was sexually frustated and thought about it all the time. So that confirmed my suspicion that she was horny. So needless to say feeling this energy of hers was quite distracting. So what I did was condence this energy (I assume it was her excess jing) at my dan tien. That resulted in me not feeling as frustrated, yet I knew that the energy was only stored and if I did not do something with it, that later it would begin to circulate in my MCO and cause me problems again. So I did reverse abdominal breathing, and unexpectedly I felt this orgasmic surge go up the right side of my neck and cause my third eye to pulsate. I read Drew describing something similar I think, and was thinking to myself "holy crap this is like what Drew was talking about". After that I didn't have the problem of wanting her anymore, plus I felt quite nice.

So what was the deal, was she like exploding with jing or something? She even admitted to always thinking about it, plus when your around her you definately feel it, so whats up with that?? Does that have something to do with females wanting men's chi, and men wanting female's jing? Was the relief I felt due to me converting her jing into chi? I got so many questions about what happened?

So basically the question here is there sometjing about zhang zuang which makes emotions harder to control? Whenever I do zhang zhuang for more that 5-10 min, the next day my temper is nuts, I feel anger so much more easily, to ythe point where I can control it. I do believe my posture is good so I dont know what to think....

I had a very similar problem. I would work my way up to 15 min and yea same thing, be very tempermental. So I stopped for a while. Then I mentioned that on here, and it was recommended that I do "hold the ball" a little lower and smaller and that has seemed to help. But than again I am only doing hold the ball for 5 min now, and the rest of the time I'm in wuji posture. But yea I know EXACTELY what your talking about.

P.S. I don't know if this has anything to do with it, but now I do the rooting visualization when I do ZZ also.

Right now I'm reading the book "Beyond Band of Brothers, the war memoirs of Major Dick Winters". I found something he said in the book very interesting in regards to the relation of physical and mental health.

"Physical exhaustion leads to mental exhaustion, which in turn, causes men to lose discipline. Loss of self-discipline keeps a soldier doing his job. Without it, he loses his pride and he loses the importantce of self-respect in the eyes of his fellow soldiers. It is pride that keeps a soldeir going and keeps him in the fight..... I often wondered why I didn't break under the strain of combat.... another factor was undoubtedly my physical conditioning."

pp 173-174, "Beyond Band of Brothers, the war memoirs of Major Dick Winters", Maj. Dick Winters, with Col. Cole C. Kingseed.

I found this observation from a World War II combat soldier facinating. He observed how a healthy physical body help to keep one mentally healthy under severe stress and strain. Sometimes it seems that the line between where qigong ends and where western exercises begin is hard to determine.

I'm going to say it: I've experienced more health benefits from old fashioned Western exercise than qi gong. Not only that, but seeing people grow old who exercise regularly, they appear to be quite healthy physically --- much more so than the average qi gong person.

 

The best way I've found to be in good shape for running, sit ups, and push ups (and if you're thinking Navy, swimming) is running, sit ups, and push ups, and other body weight exercises for diversity.

This is a big question I have been pondering for some time now (like ever since I started doing qigong lol). Never one to just take someone else's word for it, I have sort of used myself as a human lab rat.

When I was in the Army we did of course a lot of PT, running, push ups, sit ups, ect... Granted I was in excellent physical condition, yet my emotions were really problematic. After I got out of the army I continued to do the same sort of PT stuff because I did not want to become a fat civilian slob lol, yet my emotions continued to be my main problem in life.

So I began qigong with the primary goal of balancing my emotions as that was my biggest problem in life as opposed to being physcially out of shape. Granted I still do some PT type stuff, primarily in my Karate work outs, but as a percentage it is much less now as in relation to the amount of qigong I do.

I definately do not feel like I am in the same level of physical conditioning as I was when I was in the army, yet my emotional state now as compared to the time I was in the army is improved (and hopefully continues to improve). Also I was in the army before the Iraq/Afganistan thing began so my emotion problems were not related to PTSD, but just life itself.

So with all that being said I suppose that perhaps its simply a matter of priorities. What is your goal? what do you want to get out of it? If the answer is to be physically fit, then perhaps PT stuff is the most direct route. If inner issues are your primary goal then perhaps Qigong is the most direct route?