Maddie

I have never brought this up before, but a couple years ago right before I began this path I am on now (doing Qigong) I was dabbeling with astral projection. Now I have only dabbled with astral projection a little, and while doing so my perception is a bit foggy, but I believe that I came into contact with a martial arts master of some sort who agreed to teach me if I agreed to follow his guidance. Since that time I have been doing Qigong for a couple years now, and have felt that while on my path I have been getting pointers, and guidance from time to time. Its rather subtel, but I can still preceive it when it comes.

I'd say I have noticed this effect. I work at a pizza joint and all the young pizza girls get very flirty. If I do release I notice they tend to get less flirty, and then the longer I retain and build up my jing and chi the more flirty they get again.

Drew-san and everyone else : ),

 

Do you have any theories on why Jing makes you a chic magnet?

 

It is truly perplexing to me.

The more i meditate the more girls can't resist me. Why does this happen?

 

I walk into a room and every girl starts flirting with me, they are literally drawn to me like a magnet.

Big ones fat ones, chubby ones, sexy ones, amazing ones.

 

I sit down on a table and before i know it every girl in the room is sitting at my table trying to take turns to talk to me and flirt with me.

And i mean in an absolutely shameless way, they don't care who is watching or listening, they will queue up and wait in line with a number.

 

I am very used to women and this sort of pack behavior is something entirely new to me. It is almost like they are under a spell?

What is the energetic theory behind this attraction? Any hypotheses? Is there an exchange going on?

 

Also i have noticed that when i am in a room full of women i feel more love in the middle dan tien, but when a man comes into the room all the action goes to my lower dan tien and sexual center. Is he de-converting my Qi to Jing?

 

Why do only males have this effect on my lower center while women have a more prominent effect on my heart center?

Are women more naturally MDT centered than LDT? - I feel like i have to cross my legs when a man comes into the room because my lower center feels like its being sucked or drained.

 

Second question:

I have noticed that there is two ways i can stretch:

 

1: Normal physical stretching of the muscular system, after which i can perform extreme bends and splits and so on.

2: Only meditation ie: for an hour. And the effect? - I can do the same extreme bends and splits as if having done 30 mins of physical stretching. I can jump right into full lotus, bend into a pretzel and all that good stuff. In fact i dare say meditation is more effective O_O.

 

How if in anyway does Qi / Jing act on the muscle and tendon system to help stretching and flexibility, without actually physically stretching the tissues?

 

I'd like to hear theories from everyone who has an opinion : )

Excuse my grammar and writing. I can't write after i meditate : \

This has been my experience as well. I wrote a rather lengthly theory a few weeks ago about this very topic (about women being Middle Dan Tien centered, and men being Lower Dan Tien centered .. primarily) It was in the Heart Center/ Middle Dan Tien thread here it is....

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"Posted 16 September 2010 - 09:03 AM

I just woke up this morning and I had this dream that I feel gave me an important insight. There is the heart center which lies in the Middle Dan Tien, and the sexual center which is closer to the domain of the Lower Dan Tien.

It has been my observation that people with blocked heart centers tend to be more focused on sex, while people who have blocked sexual centers seem to be more focused on the emotional aspect of relationships.

Think of it as a PVC pipe with water flowing through it. Now lets say I drilled two holes in this pipe. As long as both holes are clean water is going to flow out of both holes more or less equally. Now lets say that one hole becomes clogged or blocked. This will have the effect of raising the water pressure in the remaining hole.

So lets say one has their heart center blocked. Then that would seem to indicate that more pressure would tend to flow out of the sexaul center. Now it would seem that for what ever reason that a lot of men (and of course some women too) tend to be more straight foward "mission minded" less emotional in regards to sex as compared to women. Women on the other hand tend to be a little more problematic when it comes to achieving an orgasm than men (and usually are more sexually hesitant), but also seem to emphasise the emotional component of a relation ship then men.

This would suggest to me that in general men have more problems with blockages in their heart center, and women have more problems with blockages in their sexual center (and yes I know there are always exceptions). The man with a blockage in the heart center would have more pressure trying to escape their sexual center, and vice versa with the woman. It is easy to see how this would not only create a great deal of internal frustration (sex obsessed man, emotional woman) but inter-relationship issues as well. To the woman the man would seem to not care enough about issues of the heart, and to the man it would seem hard to get into the womans pants.

In my observations on homosexual couples, women who have become lesbians often tell me that their relationships with women are much more soft and tender than with men. Homosexual men seem to be highly promiscuous changing partners often. This behavior tends to reinforce my theory on where blockages tend to predominate in the various genders.

A third category might be the serious scholar / nerd who might be blocked in both the lower centers and only open in the Upper Dan Tien, the kind of person who seems uninterested in either sex or emotional relationships, but only in study and contemplation.

So then I suppose that the idea state is of course to have all areas unblocked so that in all aspects of life we remiain well blanaced. Yet if in a certain aspect of life we do seem to be unblanaced, then understanding why we have such an imbalance is likely the first set in finding a solution to that imbalance."

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That was my theory at the time, and since then my experience has only confirmed this even more. I believe that most women are hard wired with their primary focus in the middle dan tien, and men in the lower. This would explain a lot of the differences between men and women in their approaches to sexuality and relationships.

I found your descriptions interesting as I have felt the exact same sensations as you were describing. If I retain/do qigong a lot I get flirted with quite a bit, (and I'm not even being flirty).

So as to your question as to why practice makes us more attractive to women I remember Drew saying that men want the women's jing, and women want the men's chi. So I suppose that if we have a lot of chi, women are going to feel this, and find it attractive. The lower dan tien is the residence of jing, so men want more jing from the woman. The middle dan tien is the residence of chi, so women want the man's chi.

A man can be the sexiest thing without having to be dirty, or bad.

 

Even women say this... but usually aren't consistent with what they say.

I understand the reasons people are giving external answers as an attempt to help with this problem, such as techniques for picking up women and such, but I strongly believe that the root of such problems is not your technique in picking up babes, but your internal balance, or the lack thereof. I believe that problems such as feeling lonely, and feeling uncomfortable speaking to ladies such as has been discussed on here lately are symptoms of internal energy blockages. Therefore I think that the real solution is not to learn how to pick up chicks, but how to find what it is within that is causing this discomfort in the first place and then to learn how to clearn that out.

Thought I would share this link on MCO points and see what others thought about it.

http://www.kheper.net/topics/Taoism/microcosmic_orbit.html

A tiger only gets sex when he/she wants it, and with no attachments right? Well I'm pretty sure that if you could not get sex even when you wanted to you would feel lonely. I know I would. In fact it seems that would be the only reason why I'd feel lonely sometimes.

 

Maybe you wouldn't care. What if you were a virgin at the age of 35 and couldn't get any woman? I'm pretty sure that would make you feel lonely. A virgin at 24 and can't get a woman? I'm pretty sure you would feel lonely and frustrated. Couldn't even make friends, when you wanted. Couldn't even socialize with any woman because well... they all reject you no matter what, even before you start talking to any they all look you down. You might feel a bit lonely.

 

Solitude is when you choose to be lonely. When you're ok with it. Not when you're sick (physiologically) of it. It's a very physical need for bodily health. If you don't think so then look at the trouble people have with SEX everyday. Sure you could live alone, but sex, now that's another thing.

 

Im a yang fire tiger..

 

As a tiger, you might just need less contact with others and prefer less contact with others. But you still desire at least the minimum. If you don't get that minimum you'll probably desire it a lot more. You want to choose when you want to have someone, and when to not, not have it "dictate" you. Or distract you. Would you truly be happy to be absolutely alone your entire life?

 

How about if you come across daily many beautiful women, and you cannot even socialize with any one of them. It just annoys you. You're like a tied up horse and they want to burn you from behind but can't move. They all reject you, without pity or concern. In fact most of them don't even know they do, or it's just unconscious to them. In fact it may even be unconscious to them why they are attracted to others and not you. In fact they may disregard you as some nothing, no matter what you do. No matter what.

 

You'd feel alone.

Since I do not personally know you it is hard to say for sure, but from what you indicate in a lot of your posts to me at least it seems that a lot of what you are frustrated with is the social interaction aspect in regards to women. I can relate, because I'm not the most outgoing person now, but when I was younger I was really shy and akward around women in particular, so I know how this feels. Usually when ever I encounter a problem in my personal life, I try to track down the source of this problem in my "wiring", and almost always that is where I get solutions.

Now I'm not going to say this issue is only one thing to the exclusion of anything else, but just from what I can gather from observation of your posts, it would seem that a large part of your dilema may be due to a throat chakra blockage. Why do I say this? Because the throat chakra is all about communication, social interaction, and how comfortable or uncomfortable we feel with this subject.

For example someone with a very open throat chakra would see someone they wished to speak to and most likely feel very comfortable in having a conversation with that person. Because they felt comfortable, the other person would pick up on this and feel comfortable as well, and the conversation would tend to go well.

But if on the other hand the person had a blocked throat chakra, and saw someone that they wanted to communicate with, but did not feel comfortable with doing so, first of all they most likely would not begin a conversation with that person in the first place. But if they used a large degree of will power to make themselves go ahead and speak to that person anyways, they would feel quite uncomfortable and the person they were speaking to would pick up on this, and then likewise feel uncomfortable, and most likely the conversation would get no where.

So my point in saying all this is to look for the common denominator in your life, and once it is recongnized take steps to correct it, and once that is done things tend to fall in place rather automatically.

But never to isolate theory from practice, how does one clear their throat chakra? Well I suppose there are a lot of ways to do so. People go to yoga, use stones, flower essences, homeopathy, qigong, ect... A few techniques that I have personally found to be effective are running the MCO through the throat several times, sort of letting the energy linger there a bit before drawing it back down. I have also used gemstones to a great effect on many of my chakras including the throat. I have also found the Bach Flower remedy "Heather" to be very effective for the throat chakra as well. Yoga has several asanas for this as well. But the main point is deal with the energy first, then things fall into place.

P.S. I'm a Tiger too haha

In my own experience I've found if you just sort of focus in the mind on breathing into the testicles, and using the mind to move the energy the rest of the stuff sort of just takes care of itself and seems to know what to do. I don't really pay that much attention to the various muscles n such, I just breath and focus on the energy. At least it works for me.

Can doing a lot of healing such as Qigong, flower essences, homeopathy, ect... make you very tired as your body begins using your energy reserves for the healing process?

 

 

Can doing a lot of healing such as Qigong,.. make you very tired - yes

 

flower essences, - haven't tried

 

homeopathy,- worth doing IMO and IME a good track for healing

 

"as your body begins using your energy reserves for the healing process?" Banzai! And it will continue to do this until you work something out. Tends to be (IME) very fundamental.

Hmmm thats sort of what I thought which is why I asked the question. Cause on one hand I feel like I am making a lot of progress lately, but on the other hand I feel sooooo exhausted that doing almost anything has been difficult. The reason I included homeopahty, and flower essences is not only because do I use them a lot, as I am using them right now, but also because they are considered "vibrational medicine". They cause your body to beging to heal itself, which to me sounds a lot like what doing Qigong does. So I was guessing that if your doing qigong, homeopahty, flower essences, and they are all causing your body to direct its own energy towards healing purposes, that is not going to leave a lot of energy left over for much else...

I have had chronic problems for 10years because my spleen was blocked. The chronic problem was that my nose was running all the time. A shaman in Bali healed me 4 months ago and I was fine for the first time in 10 years until 1 month ago I got a cold and it started over again + that my throat have been aching for 1 month too now -.- so damn sad.

 

But don't quite believe that my bad spleen cause me self esteem problems too? I am quite shy, but in my opinion that's from the way I was raised... or maybe there are several consequences?

 

(sorry if im out of the topic here)

Gilles Marin in his book "Five Elements Six Conditions" goes in depth about the emotional/mental qualities of our various organs. The Lungs store either self respect/pride/courge/healthy boundries, or sadness/poor boundries/ low self esteem. The Spleen deals with how we feel about ourselves, our sense of belonging, or rejection, comfort, nuturing, worry.

"Self esteem issues" are complex, and not everyone fits into the same pattern. If your intrensic value of yourself as an individual is low this might be more indicitive of a blockage in your lungs, but if your self esteem is low in the realm of feeling like a social reject, or not accepted, then this might indicate more of a Spleen issue. If you feel awkward relating to people this could be more of a heart issue, as the heart/ emporer is responsible for our healthy social interactions with others and society at large.

In my own case my Spleen issue was feeling like somewhat of an outcast, or rejected. In TCM and Qigong our organs are responsible for more than just their obvious physical functions, but as a meridian system they are responsible to all sorts of emotions and mental outlooks.

It might make a little more sense if you take the organs physical functions as an allegory. The stomach/spleen system are responsible for taking in food, breaking it down, and assimilating what we need. When one is "taken in" they feel accepted, but if they are metephorically "vomitted out" they feel rejected. The stomach churns food around, if all goes well its digested, but if it can not digest what ever is eatten, the food just keeps going round and round getting no where. If we are unable to "digest" thoughts they just keep going round and round in our mind, and we get no where. Thinking in circles and worry is a negitive aspect of the spleen/stomach. The lungs are where our boundries are. They take in oxygen, separate it out of the air, remove carbon dioxide and expell it.... boundries.

Hope it makes a bit more sense in this light. Here is a link that goes into more detail.

http://www.heavenearthchineseherbs.com/five_organs.html?zenid=8q0ef8ppq0lltucmqjcstbfjg4

So I went to my acupuncturist about a weak ago and she put a bunch of needles in my Kidney channels and ren-6 and it felt so amazing when i got back up. She also gave me some herbs that are supposed to rebuild the kidney yin. She said it was very strange because these are symptoms she usually only sees out of menopausal women I laughed really hard when she said that.

 

As a result of being on the herbs for a week I can already feel a huge difference. I am finding energy in my body that i didn't know I had. I have also paused retention practice until I feel like i can hold the energy properly, so now i am practicing sexual kung fu every third day so as not to deplete my self.

 

I had a very strange experience yesterday during solo practice. First off my energy was able to move through the MCO very easily and although it wanted to escape the sexual center, if i did Lins anal breathing(but with reverse breathing inhale up the spine, exhale tummy out focus on hui-yen) the energy would move to my head just fine and feel amazing. Then as I progressed my heart began to tingle in a very strong way, which progressed to the point where it felt like my whole heart center all the way up my throat into my mouth was vibrating so hard i was shaking. Then I let my seed go, but there was no increase or decrease in energetic sensation as my seed left, the vibration just continued for 30 seconds and then began to decrease in intensity.

 

Those vibrations are a thing I have experienced before, but have never read about. Can someone shed a little light on my experience?

 

Thanks

Ok I'm not 100% completely sure, but just based upon what you stated this is my most plausable theory. I have noticed that when I increase the amount of energy I am running through my various channels that I tend to feel vibrations, due to the increased friction between the higher energy level, and the channel. Its like Oms in an electrical circut. The oms are the amount of resistance, and the higher the resistance the more it causes the medium through which it is traveling to vibate. This is the concept behind most electric heating devices. The resistance causes vibration, and vibration produces heat.

So how I beleive this relates to you... You have taking herbs to build your kidney yin. Now you have a greater amount of energy running through your system than before. Your channels are not used to this volume at the moment, so there is greater resistance, thus greater vibration. This is only temporary though because once your body recognizes this greater flow of energy it will adapt, your channels will open more to handel the greater energy volume, and once that occurs the vibrations (which are just a symptom of resistance) will gradually subside.

so where can I learn these techniques?

 

Are they all from Cultivating Male Sexual Vitality by Mantak Chia

Yes they are, but he does not seem to put the same emphasis on the Cold Draw. I personally think its one of the best things to ever happen to me. I have almost completely eliminated my sex drive with it, its wonderful. I had been doing the Big Draw for a few years and it did nothing to reduce my sex drive, if anything it only made it worse. The Cold Draw on the other hand is something I have been doing recently for a couple months, and its fantastic. Its a pitty that it does not recieve more attention, because I think it accomplishes what most guys who are on this path are really looking for. Now I can go about my day and see pretty girls and feel neutral about it. Don't get me wrong if they are pretty I of course recognize this, but more in the same way that you look at a sunset, landscape, or archetecture that you think is pretty. You know its astetically pleasing to the eye, but you don't feel sexual desire for such an object. This has had the great effect of allowing me to focus on developing love in my heart with out the distractions of lust, desire, and attachment.

My advice in learning the cold draw is to be patient with it, and take your time. Like anything new that you try to learn its kind of slow at first, and a bit tricky to get the feel for it. But if you are patient and stick with it, you will get the hang of it. I spent a few hours the first few times just trying to get the jing chi to my sacrum. No big deal I just stopped there, and patiently kept at it for a couple weeks until my sacrum opened more, and the jing was able to go high up my MCO. I have found from my personal experience that moving chi up the MCO is easier because it is less dense, and jing is slower and more difficult because it is more dense.

In regards to loneliness I have been working on my throat chakra, heart, and spleen lately, and this has been getting results. The throat chakra has to do with commuincation, so if we have a blockage there then we may feel cut off from others and ourselves due to lack of communication. The heart, or the "emporer" is incharge of our interactions with others, and the spleen is responsible for our sense of comfort and acceptence (and self acceptence).

In the past I have found that the root of just about all my problems is internal, even if at the beginning I thought it was external. I've found flower essences and homeopahty to be very helpful in addition to Qigong practice.

Non, I would recommend the Larch Bach flower remedy for you, I think it would help a lot.

http://www.anandaapothecary.com/english/larch-flower-essence.html

the link is all about what it does.

I've been doing the cold draw (which is aka testicle breathing) a lot more lately, and the big draw a lot less and have been very happy to do so, I feel much more calm. The big draw had a tendency to agitate me more. Now that I have been doing the cold draw almost exclusively retention seems easy now.

I'm curious about something lately. Can doing a lot of healing such as Qigong, flower essences, homeopathy, ect... make you very tired as your body begins using your energy reserves for the healing process?

I think I remember hearing of some yogi guru who said that if we do not love ourselves then we seek love from an external source, i.e. another human being.... thoughts??

I think wanting is a different story.

 

Needing is when you cannot live without the other person in the sense that you depend on the person, you would be deprived without the person and physically could not stand it, not have the resources.

 

Though true love can also be described as feeling like not being able to live without the person, but that's more in the philosophical sense, and it doesn't necessarily mean that you'd be deprived if the person left. Since true love is unconditional.

I sort of meant need as in neediness, being clingy, needy, ect... which is very similar to want, desire, ect..

ive tried microcosmic orbiting. It just doesn't work. For the time being the only thing that makes the irritation in my subconscious mind or organ go away is any other focus. But it's still running in the background.

 

the 6th tibetan rite doesn't work. Nothing works. It still comes back.

 

Loneliness is probably a factor, especially the type that isn't sexual at all, but still craves a feminine presence... as too much male presence is not good for me as it already has been. But I'm always in a state of lack, and since I'm in a state of lack, to seek it would only put a temporary cap on it, but the explosion is still waiting underneath and ends up never really doing anything because I'll just get more lack.

 

I know my spirit is beyond all of this, but my physical body has not been. Do I need to spend countless hours meditating? only to be brought back to the body before it has gotten to change it's desires, or reprogram, or recondition itself to withstand celibacy for great periods of time?

 

or is dual cultivation the only way? I've got a life, and normal sexuality just doesn't cut it for me. It always creates more lack, and instability. It always comes from lack and longing.

I think I understand you?? I have pretty much gotten the sexual urge part of this under control well by doing the cold draw/testicle breathing. What I'm finding to be a bit more tricky is getting the companionship thing under control. If I could learn an internal alchemy method to deal with that I'd be pretty pleased.

dmattwads wrote "I can't exactely explain why but I have begun to view needing/wanting to be in a relationship with someone as a "weakness"

 

Because thats the way it is. Need is weakness. Longing for another weak person to feel close to, which is beautiful but also very taxing from a spritual practicioner's point of view. OK you might get REALLY lucky and find a woman who is actually spiritual and has juice of her own but is not a complete mental case (holds true for a woman seeking a man too).

That pretty much sums up my thoughts on this recently.

You know I've sort of been pondering this topic from a slightly different angel. I am in a really bad relationship, and hope to get out of it in the not to distant future. Thing is I have been pondering what it is to be sociable. Ideal I do not want to go out and get in another relationship, but as I ponder being singel again it seems to have this very strong draw on me. I can't exactely explain why but I have begun to view needing/wanting to be in a relationship with someone as a "weakness", maybe its stupid, but it seems like a position of "lack". I guess I think that if something in me was not lacking that I would not desire another person, because I'd be content with in myself. Now I know the hermits and monks do not get into relationships for the most part, and if they do it all their life then they never do. So is this the highest ideal? Is wanting and needing someone else a sign of too much attachment, or neediness?

Yes this is Yin deficiency....

this is a link to herbs for that.

http://www.agelessherbs.com/YinValleyFormula.html

P.S. I don't work for this company, but I do use them a lot.

If anyone read what I posted in the asking a girl in yoga class out thread yesterday, then this will make sense. I was at work today again, and around that Postal guy again. Today after getting rejected by the girl I felt something different from him, yet also very stong. I felt an intense loneliness. Everytimes he would walk by me I felt it so strong in my middle dan tien area and throat chakra. I know this guy is on some sort of meds for mental problems, and I also know that what ever he happens to be feeling radiates out very strong. I assumed the loneliness is due to him getting rejected by every girl on the planet. The pressure in the throat chakra was unexpected, but I assume he feels that he can not adequately express himself?? I'm just not sure why I feel his emotional energy sooooo strong?

If I think back to as far as I can remember I now realize I have always been somewhat sensitive to other people's emotions states, but for a long time I did not realize this, which was quite miserable. Since beginning Qigong a couple years ago, my sensitivity has increased, but so has my understanding as to what was really going on as well. Take for example that incident at work I mentioned. In the past I would most certainly feel that guys jeaoulsy, anger, lust, ect... but not realize that it was not originating in me, and thus think that those feelings were my own, and then wonder what the hell was wrong with myself for feeling that way spontaneously. It actually did catch me off guard for a few minuets, but once I headed out on the delivery and did the liver cleaning, then I knew what was going on lol. The fact that everyone felt more relaxed after Mr. Postal went home only confirmed two things, that I was correct about the source, and that other people were feeling it too, and just did not realize where it was coming from.

Hello,

So I'm under the impression that the yogic postures are ways of opening certain channels or are linked to healing certain parts of the body-mind. So assuming this assumption is correct does anyone know what Fish pose would be used for? here a vid of it

In my spontaneous practice i've been taking this pose alot. I know intellectualizing it is pretty much useless as it is the direct experience of it that counts, but just for fun i'm curious wat signifigance this pose may hold. Thx in advance

 

-Astal

I have a book about yoga and chakras all together, and it says that the fish pose is for opening the heart chakra.

Hey, guys. Hope I can bring something to this topic.

 

My thoughts?

Loneliness is an emotion, no need to say its bad to feel bad, or you will stack bad and bad on to eachother into infinity... Haha, you know where that leads to. Depression, which on it self is connected to being passive with your anger, your needs not being met, you ignore the loneliness.

 

But if you're just feeling loneli, its good. That means you gotta get out there and train your skills with people. For most men that means skill with woman, which leads to all social skills alltogether. Not saying sexual skills, just social skills, lol. Loneliness is kinda like being angry, only it is specific for your social needs. So if you feel loneli, don't go out angry and kill deers for food! You're hungry for people, haha! Instead, use your loneliness as energy, may it give strentgh and motivation for you to create a better future.

 

Personally, how I cope with loneliness is to denie my nature and try to cope with the feeling of loneliness as something thats just there to deal with all the time. I witness it as a passing storm. It always passes to be replaced by those beautiful days that are balanced. I have to admit, I've been in a storm here 75% of the time. The other 25% is when I made friends with some "players" who teached me to kinda be more of a man, it feels good vibe with girls, that just makes your entire day go "yay!" ;P And having alot of fun hanging out with the friends when not doing that also helps. Just make sure you have the right relationships, not every friend is a good friend just because you call him a friend. A good relationship is always "EASY" and not hard work, + the other person makes you grow is some way and you make him grow just by both of you being your selves. So... That out the way. I just cope with my loneliness by being passive, still... Because I don't care about anything, but hey thats me just giving food for thought ^^

I've observed with myself and in others that a lot of what we men do in honing our social skills actually is just EGO issues. How many times have we seen a good looking woman and wanted to impress her in some way or another not necessarily because we truely liked her (perhaps we didn't even know her) but to "prove" someething to ourselves, or to our egos?