Maddie

Chinese martial arts are the product of over a thousand years of life and death combat. MMA is a SPORT. I have only been in two fights my entire life, and none since I started training martial arts. Every single fight I have been in, and every fight I have seen all share one thing in common. They are a melee. There are multiple opponents. Most people are only aggressive enough to fight someone else if they have people there to back them up. Even the most out of control drunk and high people are usually aggressive in some sort of public place like a bar or a club, or out on the street with a group of people.

 

The idea of going to the ground and "staying there for the duration" might seem like a good idea in the cage. The reality of street fights seems to be that people will rarely if ever have the luxury of being able to focus entirely on a single opponent.

 

Combat truly is an unpleasant subject. That it has become a "sport" and "entertainment" in our culture makes me sad.

I agree that MMA is a sport, but its components are derived from Traditional Martial arts. Obviously a well known component of MMA is BJJ which was derived from Japanese Jujitsu, which was the unarmed combat techniques of the Samurai, who indeed did use his style on the battle field.

In fact my original argument was that CMA in their original pure form actually are MMA since they contained a well rounded systme of fighting, both standing up and on the ground.

Now granted I am not an expert on Chinese Martial arts, but what about Shuai jiao?? I mean isn't that Chinese wrestling?? I've heard someone, somewhere, in a galaxy far far away say that Jujitsu came from Shuai Jiao, similarly to how Karate was derived from Kung Fu. I mean wrestling is no joke, Matt Huges (wrestler)beat Royce Gracie (BJJ demigod).

In addition to the dosage, wouldn't the quality of the product play a tremendous role in something like this? I don't know about Ginko Balboa but I know that Johanniskraut (St. John's Wort) has been tested and found ineffective in the US and yet it was tested and found highly effective in Germany. The difference was in the product itself.

 

In Germany, you can only by these kind of supplements in pharmaceutical quality, from the pharmacy (at pharmaceutical prices, unfortunately, but at least they work). What the Americans used in their study (the study cited in the article I read) was inferior and cheap, it would not even have gotten certification in Germany. The dosage was also not close to the 600mg recommended by the German study.

 

So, apples and oranges, really. Regardless, a lot of Americans would be influenced by a flawed study, and subsequently buy into the hype that only toxic synthetic medications are effective in treating their problems (which I have no trouble believing was the real motivation behind the US study anyway).

 

So, maybe Ginko Balboa is not necessarily Ginko Balboa.

I used to suffer from sever depression. I had tried St. John's Wort in the doseage recommended on the bottle and did not really feel much better. Then a friend of mine told me that you had to take quite a bit more than the bottle indicated to get results. So I did, I took a lot more than the bottle indicated and then I got really good results

A) I read Witch's book on this stuff and it was very interesting. Still, if you believe certain things about a "good" marriage then, oh, I dunno. Look at that stuff? Sometimes I think that marriage is made to take people "out" sexually.

 

B)The feeling of being in control of yourself is IMO tenuous and illusory at best. But IMO and small experience "knowledge is power". If you don't dig yourself as a sensuous guy then by all means find ways to emotionally/nutritionally/psychologically/professionally/socially reduce/castrate yourself. What a waste IMO

 

C) What is it about "squirting" that makes you "old"? See my post above about the "Scientific American" - it could be, it could be that "reproductive" sexual acts "point" the organism towards death and that "non-reproductive" sexual acts do the reverse. But that would be IMO, pretty lame as a deduction.

 

D) Hum. I don't know a great deal about "LOVE" except that it feels nice. "LUST" is IMO and small experience pretty much a feeling of "empty" but I'm only speaking from my own experience.

Which book did Witch write about marriage?

Nothing wrong with that IMO

 

Alright - I'll be serious. What is wrong with any of that?

A. It's definately not condusive to a good marriage i.e. (wanting every woman you see)

B. The feeling of not being in control of yourself sucks.

C. Getting old fast (thats if you squirt too much) and having low energy sucks.

D. It does not promote LOVE, rather it keeps you in the LUST cycle.

I guess I equate obsession with NOT getting whatever you want. I'll need to go away and equate all that

A day in the life of a sex obsession:..... ( ) = mental chatter.

Wake up, OMG I'm so horny, (have sex). Get ready for the day, shower (oh man shower scences are so hot) brush teeth, eat breakfast (forget about your breakfast cause you wonder what the news lady looks like naked) opps spill coffee on yourself for daydreaming about the news lady. Head off for work, get in the car (mmmm having sex in cars is hot), start driving (oh I wonder what that lady in trafic next to me looks like naked, on and that one, or that one, or...) oh red light (red light districts are hot). Get to work (I wonder what the receptionist looks like naked) fast foward through work with pondering what just about every decent female you see or think of looks like naked and ponder how she performs in bed, and what position they all like, ect... Get home, yay time to have sex again, finish having sex, eat dinner (oh I wonder what I could use this sauce for). Check email, (oh lets take a peek at Slutty Suzzies web site real quick since we are online anyhow) 2 hours... time for bed, have sex again and go to sleep and have dreams about all the other women you wish you could have sex with.

Thanks bindo. You're a man of few words. But, a man with posts of interest!

 

Last night I started to listen to his podcast on love (I think Drew posted it a few weeks ago). Gosh, I just love Chunyi's energy!

I was listening to it as well but then it cut off , but I loved what I did hear

I tried some of those things Dr. Morris said in his "Pathnotes" book regarding mirrors before. Very interesting. A couple times my reflection disappeared, and another time I saw myself as an old man.

I can get that obsessions distract. But why specifically wish to be "free" from that one in particular?

 

I can think of a few reasons and so far IMO (and small experience) NONE of those reasons eem to be very beneficial to the practitioner. Although they might very well be to other people.

 

Gah. Just go away and be sexy with it.

I wanted to be free from "that particular" obession, because that was the one that I had. lol

I've had people ask me "so what the problem then". I guess its like this.... Think of your favorite food, you just love this food, it tastes sooooo good. Now imagine if you were tired to a chair, your mouth forced open, a funnel shoved down your throat and you were force fed this food until you were sick. Would it still be fun then?

Well I have a theory as to why this topic is so focused on here. I think due to the fact that sex in our society and culture is so warped, people seeking to improve themselves might instinctively feel the need to focus more on the bigger issues/problems.

Our culture pretty much teaches us that you can and should go around squirting like a super soaker and that not only is there no consequence but its good for you. Yet people who are sensitive to the inner workings of their bodies most likely feel that this is not the case.

Also it seems that much of the information out there on this topic is not very good which leads to further frustration for those that seek wisdom about this topic. So I think that with out considering any other factors these two alone combine to make the quest for good information about this a high priority.

One trend I've noticed on this forum and from personal experience is that women seem to be baffeled as to why men would be so concerned about such a thing. It is probably due to the fact that since women do not produce and loose semen they can not understand its incredible power upon the body and psyche. When ever I have mentioned to most women this topic they just look at me with "deer in the headlights gaze". On the other hand when discussing this topic with men (many of whom are not even familiar with this subject) many of them seem to instenctively become interested in it, most likely due to their instinctive self understanding that they most certainly are loosing something vital living the life style that society promotes.

As to female sexual cultivation I do not know much about this topic, but I guess I can see how stopping menstration would benefit a woman, for she looses jing not from ejaculation as a man, but from menstration and childbirth. As far as stopping ovulation, I have no idea if that occurs as well, but I don't think that it would have an effect upon jing cultivation because unlike the male who constantly is producing new sperm cells, the females eggs are already formed at the time of birth.

From my personal experience. Before I began to attempt this discipline sexual issues were a serious problem in my life. Like a lot of guys close to my age I was obsessed with sex, and it was a serious distraction and a loss of peace for me in my life. It was not until I began to learn about sublimating sexual essence into higher forms of energy that I finally began to find the relief from this issue that I had so long been seeking. So to make a long story short, I did not get into this because I wanted super powers, or the ability to shoot fireballs out of my nostrils, but simply because I wanted to be free of a very distracting obsession.

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The heat is due to the increased blood flow into that area during stimulation.

Hello.

I know we have to conserve our jing, by avoiding ejaculation.

But:

-Does sex degenerate our whole hardly reffined chi/shen to jing?

 

-Does sex creates jing from nowhere or does it come from chi reffined from food or breath? Do we have an unlimited supply of potential jing awakened by sexual stimulation, or has it a limit?

If Jing come from a chi created by food/breath/sun or else, is Jing more sublte/reffined than this chi?

Does sexual stimulation degenerates this basic chi or sublimate it?

 

 

Because the consequences on daily practice would be different:

-to avoid ejaculation AND sex/masturbation + practice the COOL draw and not the big draw.

Or

-To practice sex with kareeza as frenquently as possible, with BIG draw.

 

We do have a method to sublimate sexual energy (mco etc...)and that is great, but I am affraid we do hinder our gains by decreasing our Chi quality each time we have sex/masturbation and creating a terrific amount of jing, then the only benefit of taoism would be to have more sex.

 

Your thoughts?

I know Drew could answer this much better than I, but I'll give it the best shot I can based on my limited understanding of this topic. So sexual fluids are made out of jing. Jing has two sources in our body, pre-natal and post-natal. The pre-natal is what we are born with and it can not be added to. Post-natal jing is what we derive from food, and air. Texts on Traditional Chinese Medicine allow a young man to safely ejaculate more often than an old man because the young man has much more jing, and can replace his jing easier. So if you ejaculate too often based upon your age and level of health then your body will create sexual fluids not from your post-natal jing, but from your pre-natal jing. It is when you tap into your pre-natal jing that your health and longevity begin to deteriorate because it can not be replaced.

Now as far as I understand about conversion. I believe that any type of sexual excitement will cause your chi to become jing, and your jing to become sexual fluids. The reverse of this is turning your sexual fluids into jing, and then to chi, and later on into shen. Drew states that the best way to accomplish this conversion is to do full lotus, and MCO. Also it is important to not allow yourself to become sexually stimulated either, because this naturally converts chi into fluid.

I have also noticed from my own experience (because lately my hip joints are too sore to get into full lotus) that doing the cool draw from my testicles up the MCO to my dan tien and then doing reverse abdominal breathing in my dan tien also seems to be effective at converting this jing to chi. The process of drawing jing from the testicles seems to me to also automatically initiate a sexual fluid-to-jing sublimation as well. Then of course you want to safely store this extra chi in your dan tien.

Like I said I'm not an expert, but I told you what I know. If you want a better answer ask Drew lol.

MMA is Mixed Martial Arts so it would be a little crazy to step into the cage with just a background in Kung Fu and no grappling knowledge, Im sure there are plenty of MMA fighters with a CMA background but they are also trained in BJJ, Boxing, Muay Thai etc etc.. MMA is the ultimate martial art because it is a blend of many disciplines.

Bruce Lee said "absorb what is useful, and discard the remainder", a lot of traditional martial arts have useless techniques when in real life situations, thats why its important to train as many different aspects of MA you can and take what works from those systems.

In my original post I addressed this common misconception of Kung Fu in the west that it has no ground fighting. Dr. Yang of YMAA states that all real traditional chinese martial arts include four key components, kicking, punching, chin na (joint manipulations, kind of like Aikido) and shuai jiao (wrestling/ground fighting).

So on that note if you truely knew all aspects of Kung Fu technically you would know ground fighting, but it is easy to understand this Western perspective of Kung Fu for a couple of reasons. First Kung Fu movies almost never show the ground fighting aspects of Kung Fu because its a movie, its supposed to be flashy and attract viewers. Second most Kung Fu schools in the West only teach a very low and limited level of Kung Fu which usually only includes striking.

So I guess by definition chinese martial arts in their true form are MMA ;-)

I woke up this morning totally drained even though I went to be extra early last night due to being tired yesterday as well. The only thing that comes to mind that I have done differntly is due to having a large amount of free time the past several days I did a LOT of inner smile and healing sounds in order to improve my emotional state. One thing I have also noticed is that in addition to being more tired since yesterday, I feel better emotional too. So though maybe the two are not connected, I was wondering if perhaps detoxifying emotional blockages from the organs might consume a large amount of energy??? This is the only thing I can really think of at the moment.

Hey I was wondering if you guys have recommendations for eye sight, herbs of course.

 

Not going to sit here and diagnose myself but both my short term memory and eye sight declined rapidly in about 2 months time. I was 17 at the time.

 

Just a run down of when it happened and such, im 19 now.

I am no expert, but I do have an interest in Traditional Chinese Medicine and Herbal remedies. I've heard the herb "Eye Bright" is good for the vision, and "Bilberry" is good for night vision, as well as blue berries, and carrots.

From a Chinese Medicine point of view the eyes are connected to the Liver, so often an Acupunctrist will work on the liver for diminished vision or prescribe liver strengthening herbs.

Thanks for the replys guys, yea its a mystery to me as well, but here is what did end up happening today. So I just kept getting more and more tired. So eventually I decide to take a nap. So I go into the extremely deep sleep for several hours, and have a lot of various dreams about all sorts of stuff, and they are sooooo vivid. So I wake up just a few minutes before my wife comes home and I fill such a huge blissfull feeling of so much love (which is good cause she came home with a huge feeling of being like a troll lol).

As far as standing meditation I actually did 15 min of it today. I just recently got back into it again after stopping for a couple months. This is the third time I have started standing meditation, the last two times I stopped because it had been making me feel aggitated. One thing I did notice from before though after beginning standing meditation was that after I frist started it I had a tendency to feel more tired as well.

As for the movements of the cosmos and fung shui that is beyond my knowlege as well.

But what ever the reason at this moment I feel pretty good after taking a long nap lol.

I've noticed several times that after doing reverse breathing while focusing on my dan tien after a while my scrotum tingles, why??? is that some kind of conversion taking place???

Yeah there's almost always one perv on taobums pretending to be enlightened but in fact just sucking off people's energy so they can have more male ejaculations. haha. It's pretty sad since most people can't read the energy online. Last time I outed a perv on taobums I got banned for a week so I'm not going to do it anymore. But let's just say it's a GLARING problem in my "eye" at least. haha. For one perv attack it takes about an hour of full lotus to reverse the damage done. The perv has their electromagnetic energy stuck in their lower chakra and so they have their intention as the OPPOSITE of someone transmitting third eye energy. So the perv goes ON and ON about how spiritual they are -- going WAY out of their way to fixate on theoretical b.s. -- all the time they are SUCKING off the energy on taobums so they can have more male ejaculations!! haha. That's the nature of evil though -- it hides and lies and most people are too innocent to know any better.

So lets say that your third eye is not open, are there other ways to know if a perv is trying to suck you off? Like do you get tired? Do they try to change the focus of your thoughts? How can they do this via a forum? or via other methods? Do they steal your chi? If so how?

Here is a quesiton that has baffled me for a long while now. Lets say yesterday I felt really high energy just about all day. Then I go to bed at a normal time, do nothing unusual, and then the next day you wake up the same time as before, do the same things, but today you are really tired, yet you can not identify why? Is it due to not having enough chi? But if so why would my chi be lower today than yesterday? And just in case anyone is wondering I did not loose any sexual fluids either. In fact I sat in full lotus last night before bed to convert that stuff.

So then is lethargy/ tiredness a symptom of low chi or something else? And if its from low chi, then what could have possibly caused my chi level to drop so low with out an obvious reason?

FWIW - about pets having to eat manufatured crap... Do you feed your cats this crap? If so, the truth of your statement is not accurate. You don't have to feed your cats Cat Chow or any of the other unnatural manufactured food. You could seek out other diets. Although I've never fed any cats homemade food, I have done that for a dog. It takes work and dedication. Remember how much choice you have in this world.

 

Added:

I would like to feed them better food, but I guess that goes back to the money situation. Once I can feed my kids good food, I'll try to get the cats something better too

There are a few external kung fu guys fighting MMA, but not many..

 

I personally believe that most CKF is watered down from IMA which was derived from neidan. Which means they are really designed to employ qi moreso than muscular force or even leverage.

 

Problem is, it generally takes thousands of celibate hours to even open your MCO - so most never will. It's just too steep of an initial learning curve. And those who eventually do are usually not interested in proving publically what they already have proven to themselves with any quick "touching of hands."

 

If someone can throw you against the wall with a qi-based 1" punch or their peng structure is so strong you cannot budge them no matter how hard you try - they don't need to engage in a full fight to prove to themselves that their martial ability is much higher.. It would only be to prove it to others and stroke their own egos - which they don't care about.

 

Basically, I think CKF guys tend to fall towards 2 extremes of being either paper tiger pu55ies who can't fight their way out of paper bags (more commonly)...or (more rarely) authentic masters who have nothing more to prove to others what they've already proven to themselves.

Yea I like Cung Lee, but he does not really satify my desire for a Traditional practicioner of Kung Fu to fight in the cage because the Sanda which he uses (although cool) as a more modern invention of the PRC, and it more resembles kick boxing than traditional Kung Fu. I like Machida a lot, he brought some respect back for Karate since he uses Shotokan in the cage.

But yea I agree with the papper tiger assesment, as when I was at the University most of the Kung Fu people I knew there were not impressive at all. They were more of the Dungeons and Drangons type, and reminded me of Kip, Napoleons Dynamite's brother "Napoleon we both know I'm training to be a cage fighter". Which is why I chose to train with an a** hole MMA guy, rather than with the "RexQwonDo" guys.

To a certain extent, you may be able to heal your wife with your qigong/IMA practice

I certainly hope it works this way. I notice my cats love to hang out with me when I do Qigong. Now this is just my opinion, but since modern pets have to eat the same manufactured sort of crap food that we eat, I'm sure it makes their chi less healthy than animals in the wild, so perhaps thats why the cats like it. As far as my wife goes I have noticed that I tend to pick up on her emotions and then they become my problem internally as well, BUT when I use Qigong to deal with the problem then often it seems that not only I feel better but she does too. So yea I hope that my Qigong practice can benefit her as well just by proxy.

I like this guy... Master Wong, he teaches amongst other things combat Tai Chi, very cool

and he gives his take on MMA vs CMA , its good answers but kind of funny too :-P

ha ha ha ha ha snort ha ha ha ha :-D