Kali Yuga

I was just wondering if anyone knew something somewhere where I could begin informally studying acupressure and things like this? Is there anything down to earth and simple out there, something that isnt so darn complicated? My problem lies in I feel swamped by all these diagrams and images and such and I really have no clue how to have a practical knowledge and application of this. I quickly tire of something that has no immediate practical application, but I still want to learn about this. For health and energy reasons. I noticed my energy gets knotted up in certain places from time to time depending on place, the things i'm doing, and location. I do meditation regularly but for some darn reason some spots in my body don't seem to loosen up from tension and yucky feeling energy. I am sensitive of the energy but am not able to dissolve it easily and have it flow freely.. I dunno, maybe some of you could point me in the right direction?

I think all of you guys except for Sloppy are talking out of your asses. Who are you going to believe? Deanty? Verdesi? Some fraudulent "antichrist training manual" that Drew is posting out of? None of us here have any real information regarding mo pai whatsoever. And the few things that we do have seem to be from people who all have their own biases, their own "gimmick", their own desires and beliefs that twist everything around. Andreas called himself "Sifu" without even becoming a 4th level. Kostas says he has "extraordinary abilities" and sells a book. Verdesi and Sean wanted all your cold hard cash. Jim's a holy roller who insists on his own teacher being involved with "demons". You're telling me all the things that everyone has said about this is 100% real? How many people have died doing this? Do you know any? Who said so? Are they 100% infallible? Have they asked for your money? Can anyone prove anything here? Medical records? Obituary articles? Pictures with John? You see, everyone here is just spouting out stuff that they heard from someone else, who also "heard" from someone else. Remember that game where there is a line of people, and the goal of the game is to relay a message from one end to the other without distorting in the least the original message? Know how hard that game is? This is whats happening here. No one here knows anything and is capable of making any judgment on anything here whatsoever. Everybody thinks they know something. None of us are mopai students of John I am willing to bet. None of us here have talked with John personally. And people are going to make judgment calls on John, or Jim, or some theoretical spirit? please people, you're not involved in this thing in the slightest, you only think you are. You are not in the slightest involved with the real student to master relationship that "being involved" requires. If you want to make a judgment call on anything, then learn your facts first. Go to Indonesia and find John if you really need answers. That is the only real way to cut through the BS and get down to the real nitty gritty. Because I guarantee you unless you talk to John, you don't know squat.

I would like to mention that in the Secret of the Golden Flower method reconstructed by J.J. Semple, he describes the first points of the practice as meditating and slowing down the breath (and thereby the consciousness). Somewhere along this point of continually slowing down the breath and enhancing awareness, a certain "flow" will be perceived within the dantien. JJ Semple emphasizes that once one person starts to feel and perceive this flow, one must use one's intention to change the rotation of the energy center to induce it to rotate towards the opposite direction to induce awakening of the energy dormant there. I find this very interesting as it is supposed to be the precursor to a sensation of an "eggshell breaking" at your sacrum and the activation of one's kundalini. It may not be exactly relevant to the discussion, yet it is an interesting coincidence nonetheless and his books are interesting reads.

I was wondering for all you experienced "taoists" out there.. What does Taoism have to say about karma? Does it actually have a belief of karma and rebirth due to karma? or is it just that a bunch of hippy "new-agers" have mixed it up with hinduist and buddhist doctrines, and said that it does teach about karma when it might have not? What is the taoist belief of karma as well as the belief about life after death and reaincarnation? Love to hear from you fellas. Kali

I want to know the answers to 2 specific questions which only Kosta is capable of answering. 1.What is the nature of your disbandment why John Chang and you did not get along? Jim McMillan, also former student of Chang, has told me that John refused to teach him any further due to the "Headmaster Spirit" being angry there being foreigners in the school? Is this relevant in your case? What is the real reason why you are a "former" student of Chang and not a "current" student pursuing fusion and beyond? As anyone on this forum would give their left gonad to be a lifelong student of that man. 2.As to your knowledge, has there ever been any Indonesian to ever complete the base training of mopai to the point of "Fusion of Yin & Yang"? or not? Is there anyone in the Indonesian school to have achieved likeness like Chang with electrogenesis and pyrokinesis etc, or have all the students not been able to fuse their yin and yang? Peace Profound.

Brilliant! Makes much sense.

Finally someone on this thread gets what I mean. This is what I've been trying to say earlier. and what I was trying to dig at was whether traditional taoism be it philosophical or religious had anything of the sort. I felt that people love to cherry pick things from all over but dont actually bother to examine the inconsistencies in the cultural and philosophical concepts that they try to mix. Which is why I wanted to know if there really was anything from an old Taoist point of view that actually mentioned things of this sort head-on. People talk about karm-this-karma-that, throwing the word around like it was some kind of jelly spread. But the word itself is sanskrit. Which was part of the Hindu culture later absorbed by Buddhism. I wanted to know, "what is the validity in all these people claiming to be taoists talking about karma and so-and-so when they refuse to even acknowledge that the word they use (karma) has strictly one cultural stream from whence it came?". It's like people don't even know how words that they choose to use influence the way that they perceive the world. It's like having Hindu's going around talking people about wu-wei. "Of course it's completely natural for a hindu person to use the words wu-wei in their everyday occurences!". Well, not. Of course, one may argue that these things are present in both culture, as "karma-yoga" and "wu-wei" are similar in meaning. However, it is a completely moot point to assume that this is the case for all words which pertain to one culture's viewpoint that they will have an equal equivalent in all other cultures and hence is something universal. The problem that is present however, is, what is this word? What is the exact taoist terminology for karma? Are we just assuming that the concept exists when it may not for them? Where is it found in the writings? How can we be sure? Sure you can be some crack-hippy throwing the word "karma" around like it was candy and saying "it's all the same, duuude." - but it does not prove that this concept is something present or relevant. Hence which is why I am curious to find evidence that it did (or did not) exist. Most of the things here have been own people's eclectic opinions on how life should be handled etc, which I don't very much mind. A few of us though have been brave enough to take a proper stab at it and answer the question properly. Chidragon says "NAY"! 5ET says "YEA! to be an immortal it's said you have to be reborn until you're chosen etc!" (claiming knowledge of his sect etc) (which I am also waiting for a reply from for more info), and Marblehead says "NAY!" and says that it's not in the TTC, and that ZZ only toyed with it.

Well, if you have an aversion to Religious things or things similar to it which speak of things of a spiritual nature (Heaven, Immortals, Deities etc.) then of course Religious Taoism will show you things you don't like. However, if you are practicing alchemy and trying to practice their so-called methods of "immortality", then it shouldn't be that one is trying to shun it, but at least to be open to the experience. Who knows if these things are true or not true? Why assume that there is no celestial beings or men who have become immortal right away? I think it is the assumption that is the sin and not the tradition itself. John Chang is a master of alchemy, and if even a small portion of his videos were true, would that not push the limit of our understanding? I wish I could use Wang Liping properly as an example here to, but unfortunately he has not subjected himself to scrutiny to other people, but many people here attest to that he's the real deal as well. If you've done any amount of proper alchemy you would have experienced some things that by all means modern science would be baffled to explain. Science is limited because it is a very young discipline and it does not hold the wisdom that is inherent in older traditions. The sin here is that one assumes that all that can be seen with one's eyes are the whole of existence. There is so much more that we can not see that is going around than what we can see. I think that the point here is that it is alchemy that will separate the real stuff from the chaff. If you aren't actively trying to cultivate the different energies that exist inside of you, then it may be that you'll never experience things which you can't explain, and which is why it will be premature to make an assumption about these things. Although there is much dogma within religious Taoism there are things which are very true - but to only those who have practiced the alchemical methods. It is in achieving alchemy where you will find the answers to the questions you're looking for. Only those who have crossed the river will be able to tell you of the promised land.

5ET, do you have any specific daoist texts referring to this concept of karma and/or rebirth? since you're talking about the "shanching" sect here. It would be nice to read something in a specific text relating to this. i haven't read anything stating something to the effect of "and he was reborn and then became an immortal throguh the grace of the gods etc" within any texts that I have read, but then again they may be in some more obscure texts that I don't know of.

Book is nice. Much better than some books out there claiming to have "nei gong" in them. It's legit neigong. I would definitely recommend it to anyone trying to learn neigong. Just don't expect to go running around burning stuff with your hands like John Chang. because thats something that wont be found in this book. lol

The Javanese Indonesian occultists practice this, in their terminology it is called "mutih". "Mutih" refers to the color white - which generally means that they only eat rice and abstain from everything that has any taste whatsoever. Of course they don't limit themselves to just brown rice though. they practice it to purify themselves and to summon spirits or djinni. They will do this for weeks on end until the success of a ritual, it's very hardcore. but just one of many difficult practices, another is keeping oneself in complete darkness meditating in a hole in the earth. Why on earth would you want to have such a difficult diet though? That would be the only reason i'd think of attempting to do such a thing. it's very hard to live just on tasteless food.

Looks like for some reason looks like he's trying to delete his own thread. Except he can't cover up the things already said by others. Just look for "nicholas cage vampire" etc, he's claiming that a photo that was claimed by some people to be civil war era with a nicholas cage lookalike is evidence that Nick is a vampire. He seems to think that Cage really is a vampire of some sort. as the man said, to me it looks like a poor photoshop hoax which became viral. who remembers the bit about Justin Bieber being a 51 year old pedophile? this isn't the only piece of evidence!

Lol what kind of troll are you? Any hack can see that that the whole man's body along with his head is facing the camera dead on, while the Nicholas cage face on the head is nonproportional to the head it's on, and is facing the camera at at least a 15-30 degree slant. Clearly a sloppily done photo edit not worth anyone's time.

Reputation is the whole basis for choosing the people we choose as teachers. Would you want to enter into a relationship with a person who had a shitty reputation and always lied consistently to people about his services and goods? Would you buy food from people who were reputed to put poisonous chemicals into the food? Leave your car in an area reputed to be full of thieves and criminals? Reputation translates into economic power when a person is offering something, and so when you destroy it through slander or other means, you are damaging a person's ability to make a living and live the lifestyle that he so desires to. Don't you see that without reputation no one can possibly ever make a living at anything? The whole reason people want teachers like Wang Liping or John Chang etc is because of their reputation. No one wants a shitty hack teacher who steals stuff from other people and lies consistently about everything. The same goes for an employer who is hiring someone - a person's reputation is examined. If you really believe that reputation is something that should be forsaken then have a good one. Good luck getting a job or doing business. No one hires a reputed serial killer over a morally decent fellow. Reputation is very important for living in today's society. It may be ephemeral but it's implications are incredibly real.

It's much more 5ET's reputation at the stake here than just simply a matter of ignoring people. One person ignored=no harm done. Irreparably damaged reputation=quite the opposite.

Lol! I love wine or booze, I find alcohol to be a great social stimulant and quite relaxing - I don't generally behave bad with a little booze even though the stereotype of drinkers is... meh. Wine is even better. I wish also that I ate less. When your lifestyle is all cultivation your metabolism tends to lower as a result of being more efficient at utilizing the energy sources it has. If you eat a lot and sit around most of the day you get fat. Lol!

Ooo look at me being a big baby because I didn't like someone else's post. Get over it.

Uhh maybe now's a good time to start? LOL

I am above the discussion considering that I do not see it as vital to my well-being, nor do i see it as particularly important to me that I valiantly come to the defense of people that I don't even know. It's not about being below or above, or anything of the sort. It is not a matter of incredible importance. and yes I am enjoying reading about this considerng the heated discussion which you have entered into. It's nice to have humor, and take a step back at things or else we start obsessing over the small stuff in life. You know it's the ego that's hurt when you start snapping at people unnecessarily.

*grabs popcorn* OM NOM NOM NOM. hm... where did pie guy go? drama.. and PIE. NOM.

Witch you make me laugh, LOL. umm the type of middle aged, fat delusional lonely woman that we LOVE. lol I have seen the trailers! A lot of x-rated alchemy! Heart chakra power! Will Witch's powerful sex magick finally be the end of Max? Will Max withstand Witch's sexy heart chakra power? Will Witch ever find a life partner who can handle her sexual prowess? OUT IN CINEMAS NOW! RATED R

It's just an internet forum man. Every nerd and idiot thinks he can be tough hiding behind a computer screen. People are bound to say things you don't like, espeically if you're tough on keeping your own position. Hey, if you think what you say is right, then there is no need for apology. I saying the same thing to you that I said to Stiggy. If you believed in the words that you said when you said them, then there is not fault nor shame. I personally don't think that your forum presence has been in vain as you contribute knowledge to the community and are one of its teachers. I just think you perhaps are mistaking the cyber world for the real life. If its disturbing your peace of mind and well being then perhaps you need to ask yourself why - are these people people you deal with in person in everyday life? or are they just people you've never met that you're taking too personally? I personally love to just remain in non-thought and non-opinion for much of the time and just relax. It's only when one maintains rigidity that there is suffering. Real life is so much different from a computer screen, sometimes it's nice to treat it that way. You don't have to throw out the whole crop because of one bad seed. Kali

No, Seth is right here. Traditional schools in China were always backed up through force and skill, and like the man said, the ability of a master to respond to a challenger from a different school was the watermark in which the effectiveness and thus the longevity of a school was judged. The only way to test the true power of your system was to try it out against someone else's. Hard to have a school survive when all the students see the master getting his ass whooped and change to a new school. It is considered a matter of pride and dignity for them really. In the old days kung-fu was not just something cool you could learn, it was something on which your very life depended on. IMO if this Max fellow chooses to demonstrate martial ability and quasi-psychic capabilities so blatantly, then he is to expect this sort of thing and live up to it. It seems that he wants the hype but not the bad strings that go along with such a thing. I wonder what his old master would have thought of this.

If in doubt (and you should be when you are removed from your source of herbs and food, such as the case with the industrial agri-complex which loves to market its products as "100% fresh and natural" even though 99% of the food products are freak corn and drugged up meat), you should consider growing your own if it's feasible, there's always a way. Mushrooms in particular are not that hard to cultivate. If you can obtain the proper spores you can grow the things forever. These links are pretty good, and with them you can learn to grow TONS of mushrooms at home, for both legit herbal ingestables and other "special reasons, wink wink* so: This is the PF TEK method, which is very productive and easy: http://www.shroomery.org/4/Grow-Mushrooms Kali

Brilliant work. We have had some people make various translations of different internal alchemical texts for some time now, but I have rarely heard of the more physical components that the old alchemists used to work with in search of immortality - namely the tonics, herbs and plants that the old sages used in their pursuit of immortality. I guess their pursuits of alchemy were spread out as far as possible in their search for immortality, in the same way the alchemists of the hermetic traditions were with their search of the ultimate elixir. Interesting indeed. Now to get us a spore print and to inculcate into an artifical mushroom incubator. We should dabble with the shen strengthening capabilities of this herb, shall we?