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I find it funny that this thread makes it look like Wang Li Ping talks to David through Victor through Taomeow through the Taobums... and then David gets the message through people here who tells Jette who THEN tells David

To be open and loving is ofcource very healing to everyone. But to believe that just to ask to be a channel is enough to be able to project pure and undiluted divine energy on to someone else is more close to psychosis or hallusination. The reason Im discussing here is that reiki initiates seem to believe that people need the divine energy that comes through them. As if the divine is so limited it need us as channels. To project energy on to someone else is fine, but to belive it is pure, holy and the real divine energy is an illusion. It dosent matter if you ask for it, you need a lot more knowledge, insight, awareness and work with our own blindspots and illusions, than what is possible after only one weekend. Yes, you get a lot of energy-experiences and openings, but this is exactly what blinds us and makes us believe it has something to do with the divine. But in reality it can be anything, a hungry ghost, some entity, a trickster spirit, it can be whatever because all you feel is warmth and some spiritual energy passing through you. If you know exactly what you are doing and how the divine work in the individual you would probably keep your hands off instead of pushing your own energy(believing it is divine) on to his disease or problem. Im shure this is upsetting a lot of people. I belive too many of the earths healing methods are based on the belief that God, or the divine, is not able to its job properly without us as its channels.

There is no dubt reiki can be used to heal, but there is also no doubt reiki is too easily misused, or used wrong. If a weekend course is enough to call yourself a healer and start healing people, there is no doubt a lot of unwanted sideeffects and energyexchanged will happen. It is NOT enough to ask the divine to guide you. People still have so many blindspots and unconscious patterns and attitudes that affect the energyexchange. And lets not look through the fact that as long you send energy through your hands, it will og through your body and all disalignments your body contains. And if it enters your body it will og through your mind and all the disalignments in the conscious as well as subconscious mind. A weekend cource and initiation is NOT enough to be awake and aware enough to be a clear channel for healing energy without including too many of your own issues. Therefore reiki will be dangerous to play around with on others even though you get a lot of intense experiences and maby heal someone occationally. I do not agree that reiki can ever be redeemed.

I enjoy the Wuji more and more. Do it about 10 min before and after my XSZ and then maby 10-20 min later on the day where I seem to naturally go into Hunyuan Gong. The Wuji is really wonderful. So simple, but still with a depth(deep) of potential and evolution that seems unlimited. Guess its the Xuanji matrix that gives the depth. Ive never seen any explanation of wuji other that as a beginning posture for relaxation. But the way Li Jiong presents it gives it a whole new level of experience. I would really love to hear about other peoples experience with wuji if someone have a deeper knowledge of it other than as a preparatory posture for relaxation?

Thats a wonderful book! Real heavy reading though. Kick our beliefsystem-butts about enlightenment right out the window! Mariana Caplan wrote it. If reading Jed McKenna makes you angry, you definately should go on to read Halfway up the Mountain to really get in toutch with your agression(if you see what I mean)

He lives in Norway. I saw him on the subway just a few weeks ago. Calls himself "the best fortuneteller in the world"

aaah, a fresh breath! Will we ever be able to discuss anything here on taobums in relation(even remotely so) to DSV without being bombarded by people talking about the price?

I got the wuji too, even though it is described Internal course 1 allready. I seem to just like wuji more and more! And the hun yuan gong is also getting better and better. Look forward to hear what you say about the bagua!

oooh, numerology! What do you make of that the number of the Kunlun lineage equals 4?

There has been some research going on resently in norway about ME, chronic fatigue and qi gong. Their qigong had wonderful effect on this disease. But I think this is a very very simple qigong they used in the research. The ME pasients hardly have enough energy to meet for training. Its a very bad disease. I dont know exactly what movements they used in the research. But maby somthing like this is simple enough: Personally, the best and deepest method for physical healng Ive encountered so far is Xing Shen Zhuang as it is thaught by "the-one-who-should-not-be-named-on-the-taobums-.com". But that is definately too complex and demanding for chronic fatigue patients.

Anyway, if his insight is the result of free spiritual teaching, I wold rather pay thousands of dollars for just a few hours with Wang Li Ping.

Full lotus is out. To be an enlightened master we need to be poor!

For me: Ill definately have a hung-over from eating too much chocolate cake.

Ive heard about those experiments before. Something like the "phantom dna-effect" I think. Very interesting! But the rest of the video was about hight flying personal ideas about what whould happen in 2012...

But Taomeow, when the tao-made plants start being used in weekends for entertainment by youth who only want to get away from themselves, I would say they are being used as a drug. And is therefore no different than industry-made drugs. It dosent matter how tao-made they are when people use them to satisfy their own (subconscious) self-destructive needs. I wouldt say anything if it is being used IN context, by a real shaman, maby only once or twice in a lifetime and only for very special occations. But how often does THAT happen in this culture we are in. Most of us are weekend abusers who only dream of other realities and shortcuts, not willing to do the real work.

A very important perspective indeed!

Thats exactly what my teacher say too. One other funny thing about the 2012-psychosis about the world ascending is that it was "invented" by Terence McKenna on his Ayahuashca and mushroom trips in the 70's, where he got the idea that our evolution speeds up to the point that we enter the speed of light. What a trip!!! ...or something like that: http://www.skepsis.no/articles_in_english/...phenomenon.html

hahaha, really funny!!! ...but did you see it? First he did zhang zhuang, then he did fang song gong, and then he had the big enlightening realization of the big "why" Why spend years of spiritual work and meditation when you can get it all in 5 minutes!?? Im only asking...

He must have been deeply in touch with the mysteries of the universe, maby even close to enlightenment

Gee...I never thought of that too! And youtube is allways the first ting I check! This guy is amazing!

exactly, lots of astral nasties. Many of them so subtle that they are hardly visible even if you are able to see these things. Its not worth it when you can have the same spiritual realization without drugs. As for life experience it would be an experience like any other experience. But for spiritual cultivation it is not worth it.

Im not upset. Its may be my unskilled way of writing that maby make me look like that. What Im trying to do is de-glorify drugs in realtion to spirituality. Because of the experiences we get on drugs we are so easily fooled into believing in them. We are fooled into believing they are of some higher consciousness. Amongst the very few real insights we get, there are so many illusion that follow that the use of hallusinogenic drugs for spiritual cultivation really is a waste of time. When people are into drugs they think they are in full control. Ive been there. I only used drugs for my spiritual cultivation and thought I was a real shaman that could master these things alone. It was only after I met real spiritual teachers that I realized my drug experiences was fake. I believe Ive had all the drug experiences you can have, and looking back I would say there hardly anything I can trust from that time. But it was not until I got a teacher that could point out my blindspots and illusions that I could realize this. Until then I though I was in full control and a spiritual person that have seen the secrets of the universe. This is how we are fooled by drugs. To bad we dont see it ourselves.

I believe I can throw out statements like this because after a while in our cultivation we reach a point where we are able to experience things other people experience. Its like a deeper state of empathy. And then we see with our own eyes, so to speak, that drugs are not nessecary for cultivation. It becomes obvious. They're just a sidestep or a blind road. I met people at that time who had real spiritual and mystical insight but never did any drugs all their life. Thats when I realized what I was doing was pointless and destructive. They encouraged me and helped me to get out of it. I know that we grow on every experience we have, good or bad, but that does not justify the use of drugs. This is a public forum, goddammit!!!

You're right, not everyone walks the same path. I was on the spiritual path befor I started doing drugs. So I did drugs to open up my spirituality. A lot of drugs. I really wanted spirituality and drugs gave me all the experiences I longed for. Sad thing about it was that I got fucked up and have now spent thousands of dollars on therapy and many many years on healing and disarming all the illusions I acuired on my trips. It dosent matter how fantastic the experience is, it dosent matter how close to reality it is either, when it comes from a drug and the hippie taking the drug dosent have the physical, mental or spiritual context to deal with it, it becomes a feeding ground for further illusions. And the only one to decide if drugs can be good for you is if you have a spiritual teacher or therapist that tell you to do it. And how often does THAT happen??? We should never self-medicate our spiritual development with hallusinogenic drugs.

Couldnt you find a hippie-forum instead?