sheng zhen

Thanks for your explaining! Its a valuble perspective.

In Eckankar they say that when you see blue lights it is the prescence of the mahanta. But...in eckankar they think everything is the mahanta, so... And I not with eckankar anymore, so... I dont put too much strange beliefs into it, but I allways pay a little more attention to listening when I see them. For me it works as a nice confirmation that I am in touch with some higher consciousness.

very interesting topic! I would say it like this: If you do not choose 100 % responsibility for your own life, you choose NOT TO BE responsible, meaning you choose to be a victim to some degree. If you choose 100 % responsibility, that 100 % is not negotiable to 99,98 %. Not 99, 99999% either. 100 % is 100 % on all levels of existence. That includes karma.

Thanks man. Im still seriously interested in why people with your kind of respect, developement and knowledge tell us to "save our money". Would you like to present your thoughts about that?

Im not the one with a theroy that no one needs a master. It was you who said that. If your "root guru" tells you to spend 10000s of dollars on somethng, travel thousands of miles, and things like that, would you do it? If your root guru tells you to spend years at the university or study with another teacher, would you do it? Im shure you have a lot of respect for what other peoples root guru is telling them. Thats why I dont understand why you, and other people, make comments on the un-nessecity(sorry my bad english) of spending money on something... why is that? Why is money worse than any other obstacle?

Compared to what? These things is very subjective If you have an insecure gut feeling, then dont trust it. But if it is secure, then money or any other obstacle isnt an issue. Yes, by studying at the university or with a teacher. I dont think you can sit under a tree and learn KAP, can you? If so, why do people come to you?

My first thought on this is to go with my gut feeling and try it out. I dont care if its a teacher who teach for free of for millions of dollars. If my gut feeling say GO, then I go. If it turns out to be wrong, then at least I gave it an hounest try. My second thought on this is to respect the parameters set by the teacher. I am not the teacher, I am a student, so I have no idea WHY the teacher teach the way he does, thinks the way he does, or does whatever he does. I am not the one to tell the teacher what to do and how to do it either. And if Im with a teacher I no longer trust, I walk away. Simple as that. You're such a romantic! Show me you can learn Xing Shen Zhuang by tapping into the source. Show me you can learn the mathematics behind quantum physics by tapping into the source. You cannot learn EVERYTHING just by tuning in. You can learn what you need in your own developement, yes, and THAT is valuble, but if you want to learn quantum physics or things like that you need a teacher.

You shure did

Yes, but this is allways where the discussion gets hot. People dont want to pay the money but demand to learn for free. If you dont want to pay Verdesi your money, go to someone who will teach you for free. Its easy. Nothing to make a fuzz about. Krishnamurti is great! There are a lot of great masters out there that teach for free. So there shouldnt be any problem for those who dont have all that money.

But its 5000$. Not 10k or 6500$. http://www.thetaobums.com/index.php?showtopic=6000&hl= Plus travel expences. Its still a lot. My gut feeling say its worth it, so Im saving up to next year.

Looks like he spends A LOT more time practicing in front of the mirror than actually levitating and doing taoist alchemy. Insted of "forgot to take his medication", maby its "forgot to do his meditation"...

Wonderful Jane! There are beacons of light in this world and you are truly one of them! Im so glad you are available to help people with what you have learned and gone through.

yea yea... http://www.mayoclinic.com/health/medical-marijuana/GA00014 Even LSD was used to treat psychological diseases. Hah, thats irony! Extacy was used to reduce weight goddammit. We get new drugs all the time. In denmark there is a coughing medicine people have discovered gives euphoria, so all these young drug addicts by it all the time. They are working to classify it as a drug now.

Hey riverheron. You have a very pleasant way of answering. I wish I could do it like that If this shift happens, and I am here to experience it, I will eat my hat. I will even dip my hat in ayahuasca and then eat it. I will eat all my words that sound like pessimism too. If it happens in my next life, I will eat my hat then too Thing is that there have been people waiting for this kind of shift for thousands of years. And everyone say it is just about to happen, now, soon. I am not one to stop people from shoving love and respect and make the world a better place. I just dont think the collective consiousness is much affected by meditating groups for world peace and things like that. It has a life on its own. We are just small pieces of the puzzle. A puzzle that goes on as it wishes, with or without us. Human beings have a tendency to think they are on top of the world, above nature, masters of nature. While in reality we are just puppets of the movements of the universe. Gaia is not a weak being. In the eons earth has existed it has had its ups and downs. One human life-time is just an invisible puff compared to Gaias own evolution. But we get a lot of illusions going on to make us feel special and important in the big scheme of things. Ego would die if we didnt feel special. If you raise up to a position of a world company leader or someone in a position to change the profile of how industry uses the resources of the world, I will believe you!!! But if you are a young man doing ayahuasca in the weekends having deep philosophical conversations and insights with friends, I dont think what you do has any effect on the collective consciousness. We dont need ayahuasca, or other hallucinogens, to feel love, heal or take responsibility for our life and our surroundings.

I dont know any fancy breathing or yoga asanas. But me too would love to hear about them! But I know cinnamon is very good for those with diabetes. He can take one teaspoon before any meal, or buy cinnamon supplements. Amarican Ginseng is also good for bloodsugar regulation and has showed effect on diabetes.

The blog mentioned that the government used Wng LiPing to win a sports event: http://longmenpai.blogspot.com/2008/06/199...eat-path-4.html Did they win??

Dude, the collective consciousness IS here. It dosent matter if I "wish" it to remain or if I "wish" it to awaken. It is still here. It dosent matter if I try to tell the collective consiousness that there is a teatcher and a very loving spirit in shamanistic hallusogenic plants either. The collective consiousness wont wake up because of that. Anything that is brought out into the collective consciousness will be corrupted. Good luck with waking it up! If Ayahuasca was to stay within the secrets of amazonas shamans I wouldnt call it a drug but a great tool for shamanistic work. Its the way it is being used by people in the western society that makes it a drug. It dosent matter if the spirit is ever so pure and healing. If it is used as a drug it is a drug. Im shure Mother Ayahuasca isnt angry at me for saying this. I remeber I said the exact same things about LSD and mushrooms when I was trippin. This is why I react to the "it is all the dao" and "respect the plant spirit" and "it is very helpful if you use it with respect" statements. I know why we say those things, and I also know how eaily we are fooled by ourselves. So I dont recommend any kind of hallusinogens to ANYONE. I wouldnt even hint towards when it might be useful because that would be up to your teacher to decide. And if your teacher is a good one it would be after years of preperation and cultivation.

Hahaha, wonderful! Maby this thread has something you want to comment on: http://www.thetaobums.com/index.php?showto...;highlight=love Thanks a lot Dao Zhen. That post is inspiration.

Im not 100 % shure, but I dont think shamans take ayahuasca just to have a fancy esperience one weekend when they are bored. My guess is that they use the drug only when it is very needed to have a vision or something to help the tribe. But when we take the drug it is to have a fancy experience. Im not attacking you Xienkula, Im only pointing to the fact that when it is used here in our modern world it is used as a drug. Something to give us a fun experience, something to surprise ourselves with, or to take us away from our reality for a little while. I have many friends who do it. All of them are completely amazed by the healing powers of the plant spirit. And all of them are trying to get me to do it. Just like I did when I started my lsd and mushroom rides. So, to me, ayahuasca looks like just another drug the way it is use around here.

I wouldnt put food-stuff in the same category as hallucinating drugs But yes, food can be just as bad for us as drugs, in its own way. And just as addictive.

Thats what I thought to before I started tripping. Now, 8 years (and thousands of dollars spent on therapy and healing) after, Im back to life and would not recomment psycedelics to ANYONE! The damage is greater than people realize. AND, anything you get from psychedelics you can get without. It dosent happen slowly, it just takes dedication and stamina. It happens NATURALLY, and with a solid rooting in reality. That is somthing you dont find with drugs. Psychedelics is used by the lazy and impatient. Nothing good can come out of that, right?! All the experiences I had on drugs I've had to do all over again to root them in reality and not hallusinations. Itis a bg difference between those two.

Ah, this is soothing music to my ears. There are so many visualization techniques out there. Too many promise big things but only give more illusions and imbalance. Like seeing peoples energy from a distance, seeing and communicating with entities, masters, aliens, auras, other dimensions, and the like. Anybody with a little imagination can learn to do it in notime. Still, too few are willing to admit that they see only what their mind is able to translate. And too few are willing to admit that they are still stuck within mind, within illusion, never really transcended anything even after all those good feelings of unity, cosmic consciousness and limitless expansion. In the weekend workshops or books about opening the third eye, I have hardly ever seen anyone teaching discernment or about how easily we are fooled by our own mind creating and distorting the inner pictures. And if we are easily fooled by the mind, is then the third eye really open?? Most people regard their third eye visions as the real truth.

ALL the spiritual effects you get from drugs you get without drugs aswell. The only thing you dont get without drugs is the drugs side-effects. For anyone who is serious about cultivation and spiritual work, drugs are not worth it. You will spend more time cleaning up the mess and realitydistortion that comes with it, than doing actual spiritual development.

There is nothing spiritual to gain from drugs that you cannot gain from normal spiritual development. But if you do drugs you have to deal with the side-effects. It dosent matter if it natural or not, the side-effects are still there.

Gosh, I was only joking with Vajrasattva there in my first post...but I did confirm my guess that there are some subjects that should not be mentioned if you want a sober discussion. That is "the nessecity of full lotus", "david shen verdesis foundation training" and "kunlun debunking". But the blog is a true gem! Its a wonder how it managed to stay hidden from the taobums for almost three months... The blogger say crosslegged is fine. But you still need to be able to sit still for several hours within the pressure of the teachers chi-field. The blog say it is painful...I would love to try that challenge