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"Understanding Maya through Bhagavad Gita versesSpoken by Krishna to Arjuna on the battlefield of Kurukshetra Bhagavad Gita, Ch. 14, Verse 3 "My womb is the great Nature (Prakriti or MAYA). In that I place the germ (embryo of life). Thence is the birth of all beings." Bhagavad Gita, Ch. 14, Verse 4 "Whatever forms are born, O Arjuna, in any womb whatsoever, the great Brahma (Nature) is their womb and I am the seed-giving father." Explanation: Prakriti (Nature), made up of the three qualities (Sattwa, Rajas and Tamas), is the material cause of all beings. In the great Prakriti, I place the seed for the birth of Brahma (the creator, also known as Hiranyagarbha, or Ishwar, or the conditioned Brahman), and the seed gives birth to all beings. The birth of Brahma (the creator) gives rise to the birth of beings. The primordial Nature (prakriti) gives birth to Brahma, who creates all beings. (I am the father; the primordial Nature is the mother). Bhagavad Gita, Ch. 13, Verse 26 "Wherever a being is born, whether unmoving or moving, know thou Arjuna, that it is from the union between the field and the knower of the field." (Purusha is the knower of the field; Prakriti is the field; Shiva is another name for the knower of the field and Shakti is the field; Spirit is another name for the knower of the field and Matter (Prakriti) is the field.) Bhagavad Gita, Ch. 7, Verse 5 "I am endowed with two Shaktis, namely the superior and the inferior natures; the field and its knower (spirit is the knower of the field; matter is the field) I unite these two". Bhagavad Gita Ch. 7, Verse 6 "Know these two- my higher and lower natures- as the womb of all beings. Therefore, I am the source and dissolution of the whole universe." Bhagavad Gita, Ch. 13, Verse 29 "He sees, who sees that all actions are performed by nature alone, and that the Self is action less." (The Self is the silent witness.) Bhagavad Gita, Ch. 9, Verse 17 "I am the father of this world, the mother, the dispenser of the fruits of actions and the grandfather; the one thing to be known, the purifier, the sacred monosyllable (AUM), and also the Rig, the Sama and the Yajur Vedas." Bhagavad Gita, Ch. 18, Verse 61 "Arjuna, God abides in the heart of all creatures, causing them to revolve according to their Karma by His illusive power (Māyā) as though mounted on a machine." Quotes from Wikipedia

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The Brihadaranyaka Upanishad Chap. 3 (Sanskrit removed) Commentary by Swami Krishnananda ".... Everything is destructible; everything is subject to death. Nothing can be free from the jaws of death. Now, Ārthabhāga asked Yāj avalkya: "Inasmuch as everything here is a 'food' for death which is the Devata, for whom death itself the food?" There is no escape from death. Death swallows everybody as if it is food. But is there a death of death? Is there anything of which death itself is the food? Can you tell me who is death to death itself? What is death? Which Devata, which deity, which god can eat death in the same way as death eats everything, so to say? ... "My dear friend! You know that there is a death for everything, and one thing can be swallowed by another thing. Fire is an eater of everybody. It can burn and swallow and destroy anything. But fire can be eaten up by water. If you pour a particular quantity of water, fire gets extinguished. So, in the same way as water can be regarded as an eater of death in the form of fire which is the eater of other things, there is an eater of that eater too. The meaning implied herein is that the eater of death is the Supreme Being ..." We are told this in the Katha Upaniṣhad. The Supreme Being is the swallower of death. That means to say, one cannot overcome death unless one resorts to the Supreme Being. Not before that can you escape transmigration. There cannot be freedom from birth and death, there cannot be therefore freedom from the consequent sorrow of life, until and unless the great Reality is realized. So, who is the death of death? Who is the eater of death? The Supreme Being, the Eternal, the Absolute, He is the eater of death, and no one else can eat death. http://www.swami-krishnananda.org/brdup_audio/brdup-16.pdf

evolving towards the non-evolutionary ...ha ha... Brahman does not evolve, so what the hell? yet soul evolves as a matrix for Brahman which many matrix's talk about since Brahman is roaring with silence on the matter.

and if becoming established in Brahma loka through evolution only lasts at best for a part of a cosmic cycle with dissolution still coming resulting in nothing gained and nothing lost per and as a non-evolutionary Brahman... then what purpose in "going far and returning" in a seemingly vicarious way asks the Hamlet minded?

the starving can not eat abstractions,

going by impartial non-human karmic/cosmic math everything is perfect math wise -- which doesn't do shit for any of those suffering and weeping in pain in some form of the thousands that there are!

also an underlying fear...yet fear has no real or lasting root

unconditional grace needs no conditions and is not dependent on or only reactive to merited effort....for it spans and penetrates, without harm, the entire multi-verse and being-ness in less than an eye blink. (eye of the true Guru)

a key aspect perhaps alluded to by "transmission" is Grace, all three really have an aspect of Grace manifesting.

I assume you know the answer to your question.

there is a strong tendency to put Jesus on a pedestal...which is not where he is or wants to be held....

i believe there is a guardian aspect to this, namely what a guardian closes stays closed or sealed until they open it...

similar to the saying about what is opened none can close, and what is closed none can open.... (through and by full wisdom and its related power)

Hello Manitou, I've lost some interest in the transcendental melting pot free-for-all and some of the endless pointers about it, (although and of course do not deny the "Source") Thing is Jesus and other great masters and beings are also particular souls with particular histories and places in the scheme of manifestation. So now my interest is more about the soul level and the scheme of things -- since the transcendental can very well take care of itself, thank you.

umm, Jesus is called the "King of Kings" in the Bible but if that doesn't fit in with various levels of "New Age" thinking or the esoteric in-crowd then lets just toss it out, for its kind of an inconvenient sounding truth. Anyway Bible quoters can't cherry pick verses and meanings from the Bible and then turn around and also deny many of its basic precepts and still honestly claim that tradition and its teachings as where they are coming from. Btw, heaven is both within and without, thus denial of its without aspect (as a name) is half-baked.

umm, that is after the climax of the horrific war, with certain beings being assigned to eternal damnation and wherever being thrown into the lake of fire comes in per said revelation. Thus there is no loving reconciliation there per the Bible; Btw. we also have like 10,000 Christian sects, New Agers , and all sorts of self-proclaimed esoteric interpreters of the Bible and its meanings...bottom line though is a non-reconcilable heaven and hell per the Bible. Thus wana-be guru's and dabblers platitudes and summations are not of or found in the Bible.

So yes there is the internal war within oneself...on the other hand and of course there are actual beings of all kinds, heavenly and hellish, angles and demons, etc. who are at war and have been for unknown numbers of ages.

again, in certain cases among humans, (although not with the money changers in temple grounds, or with the Pharisees, etc. ) Btw. are you seriously forgetting the Book of Revelations...with the wrath of God and heaven falling upon evil, thus no more forgiveness or love there, and the King of Kings and his Angles do not turn the other cheek in that horrific war beyond human knowing.

so be it among humans...btw. there is no mention of Jesus forgiving evil forces or taking a "love thine enemy" position with them...(more like the opposite of that) thus to me that is one of the irreconcilable dualistic dichotomies held in "Christianity".

"to return" is also likened to the path of the renunciate to me...so in my understanding a "celebration" (or shift in meaning and attention) to the internal takes the place of the celebration of the external. Yet with the goal of freedom=joy in either an apparent external or internal.

then again consider these lines: "....to be great is to go on to go on is to be far, to be far is to return..." thus to me no denial or rejection of the manifest.

An interesting video about ancient peoples in and around India...resolution only ok.

simply put "life" does not die, but death does.

oh, sounds like mostly nihilistic and twisted up 4th way misunderstandings and misrepresentations.