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Yes, and what also takes one by surprize is that it is not really a matter of time, or in the future... maybe it could be called a double un-bind. A tiny excerpt from what to me is the profound Khandogya upanishad: (6th Khanda) "...5. Rik is the white light of the sun, Sâman the blue exceeding darkness (in the sun). This Sâman (darkness) rests on that Rik (brightness). Therefore the Sâman is sung as resting on the Rik. 6. Sâ is the white light of the sun, ama the blue exceeding darkness, and that makes Sâma. Now that golden person, who is seen within the sun, with golden beard and golden hair, golden altogether to the very tips of his nails, 7. Whose eyes are like blue lotus's, his name is ut, for he has risen (udita) above all evil. He also who knows this, rises above all evil. 8. Rik and Sâman are his joints, and therefore he is udgîtha. And therefore he who praises him (the ut) is called the Ud-gâtri (the out-singer). He (the golden person, called ut) is lord of the worlds beyond that (sun), and of all the wishes of the Devas (inhabiting those worlds)..." Om

Hello Manitou, There are vast myriads of suns and souls!! I'd say that those mature souls are not "disembodied" in the sense of some of the connotations that that word might give for they (and we) are unique soul-light-bodies that all the other forms of 'body' depend upon. Thus in another sense or manner of speaking when we forget our soul we are then more or less soul-disembodied from such spiritual identity because of various veils. (which also have a purpose) Learning there is like learning at the speed of light. (or faster) All is and all are connected, they sing together in harmony; the sun is an intense transformer and also a circuit or path to its source, a path which continues on and on until reaching the roaring silence of Om Itself. The accumalations you speak of to me are the pooling of the life force by like Beings, and in the sun there is no interference, no resistance, nothing unclean there to try and steal or break the Beauty... (as sometimes happens in other realms) I don't know much about a lot... but I do know that what is inside the heart of the grand weaver is also inside our hearts, thus there is no difference in the quintessential nature of that Spirit or "flame" if you prefer. Further, that is why no ture lord or master can ever "lord it over on another" Being or prevent the Spirit from reaching Itself. Om

Thus: remove your hang nail and it will hurt, do not remove your hang nail and it will hurt, but if you suck on your toe you will look funny and someone will laugh, which will start the whole world laughing...

"visiter passes": Partly made possible by and thus given with a certain degree of involvement of the Master/Saints of those realms... for passage through the related Elder Beings or stern Guardians is not taken lightly!

hot shot, good one. Yes, there are souls in the sun so to speak, (and visiter passes are possible) but a sun like ours is only a young daughter of the Great Central Sun or Great "Flame" - as I interpreted the qutoed saying earlier. Anyway, weavings of light are still weavings,(or souls) and to go beyond the weaver and weavings can not really be spoken of (especailly by an un-qualified beginner like me) although one can find attempts from those qualified who making alludings to such. Om

The solution is the "middle way" which no one owns nor can really claim as just their own... although certain schools may make it sound like they own it and all that that may imply, they still don't. Just as no one owns Om.............

"...You will enter the light, but you will never touch the flame." Why, because all memories and or weavings are consumed inside that flame... and only one out of a billion of us may be ready to return all that way? (which is ok)

J.C.S.S. 1973 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sPq_914s2Jw&NR=1 Om and a song/protrayal of Mary M. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=18GTVeXNWfg&feature=related

I'd add or say the "Tao" which also takes on or acts as a motherly like force holds the thread of every soul in her grand weaving as being both dear and near. Further more, through-out her cosmic weaving is a never ending yet always new and unbreakable song - since she to is part of and sings with a force of love that is so deep and pure that upon hearing it our hearts are broken with joy! "The Tao is hidden and nameless; Yet it alone knows how to render help and to fulfill" Om

Indeed, an amazing voice...example: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o4K0FiaC7-0&feature=related

the mind and the bind may go on but you stop.

there is a double take at the end of the clip...

it's partly about the death of death; alluded to at the end of the clip.

whos mind is "my mind"...

Do you think this website is gradually being murdered by quasi-Buddhism? I don't know about you but I'm about outta-here because all of the subtle and not so subtle undermining and constant attacks on Taoism and other ways from certain so called "Buddhists". How much sicker can it get?

Thanks to all of you who have shared some positive and thoughtful vibes... I think that I do need to take a break, btw I've been sick and also working graveyard shifts so I don't have the energy to deal with certain goings on lately. Om to all

I'd add that imo those who really appreciate and practice Zen (to give it a name) do not get into devolving combative type arguments with Taoists or anyone else for that matter.

If the "truth" could be manipulated it would not be so... Suggestion: get off it.

I've only been skimming the shit here but I don't think I saw a: To shit or not to shit, that is the question.

What the hell, it's almost football season!!! So add some Bud-light, or is that add some "light" bud?

Try this quote: Yutang Lin "Teaching of "Non-form" indicates non-attachment to form. Misinterpreted, it is adopted as holding to absence of form. Abiding in no forms at all, one falls into the abyss of void. Only in no grasping to form or non-form lies true liberation." To me this saying is not only logical but more importantly it is wise, and imo it also points out how Buddhism and like teachings are often seriously misundedrstood and misapplied. Btw or also, in Taoism that which can not be named is connected to the One, a One which can be named; yet how does that make the One an illusion as often implied by some? (or for that matter any of the further connections like the Two, The Three, etc. as also being illusion) Thus how can "illusion" be connected to reality and still be written off as illuusion? (that is if we accept the concept and fact of the unnamed Tao as reality)

where does that begin or end?