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double bed double wide double burger

double talk double dipper double take

cool, you learn something everyday double pallet double the guard double tap

double majors leading a double life double hernia

yep, those were sure different times back then! double header double out play double barrel

Thank you for the thoughtful reply Daeulin...part of the reason I brought up the subject was because it would seem that a successor could make the appropriate form changes yet still maintain the spiritual essence of the teachings which do not change, (as you implied) thus intercepting and correcting with authority all sorts of problems that tend to crop up over time when a line or school of teaching does not have a successor on this side. I understand why things may have to more or less go underground at times along with a successor doing the same yet in that case the line would still not be broken just far less public.

double dutch bus - is that a double decker type of bus? double date double vision double bind

double dare you double cross double helix

double down double your money double or nothing double trouble double jeopardy and...

per random association I thought of Wrigleys gum gingle of, "two sticks is better than one" hehe

basic sayings like, "the need to know" and "loose lips sink ships" have some bearing on the subject being that there is a war going on. Btw, the results or fruits of a spiritualized practice are not so hidden if they include greater kindness, consideration, compassion, careful and wise judgement, a listening to and such for all the beings we are involved with... Also and in using an analogy: if you are doing ok with basic math and are now starting with algebra would you load someone else down with the rules of algebra (that you are not fully sure of yet) when they don't even know their basic math? That would be a good way to discourage someone along with them dropping out of math studies. (or being part of them totally screwing up an important equation)

in case of a possible misunderstanding: householders and renunciates do not have the same dharma... a householder must deal with the world, while a renunciate may almost completely withdraw from it or in some cases teach or be involved in temple activities which are often or perhaps mainly supported by householders - such is a symbiotic relationship in which neither party can claim a superior position - although such corruption has taken place now and then.

I'm dropping by and have not read many posts here... if all of time is contained in a circle good luck in finding its beginning or end - except by an imploding the entire circle of time ?

MH, I thought that was some good communication in relating back to my post, Thanks :-) If we could all put on universal translators to help understand each other better there would be less strife in the world... I have a few more comments which are somewhat off topic but imo are tangents to it: 1. If we can fully face "corrupted ego" within ourselves then we can face it anywhere else and in whatever form it may take. 2. The power to face such must be and is rooted deeply in spiritual truth that can not be turned or corrupted. 3. Ego, including a refined one, is a transitional form and tool that is used, but it is not "what is within me" - per TTC 21 and similar teachings.

Yueya, Thank you for sharing some deeply reflective and important insights and points in your last post! I do or may differ in certain ways with one quoted summation you made below: "...I always hungered for a greater closeness; a closeness I’ve painfully learnt is outside and beyond the possibility of inter-human relationships. What I’ve slowly come to realise is the intimacy I need can only come from ‘spirit’ - the path of mysticism..." To me the greatest realization/mastery would be to see spirit in all beings without limiting them to just a human or other level of form, thus in finding and knowing the spirit "by what is within me" (TTC 21) there would be no separation or disappointment with what is possible and within other beings... Om

Matthew 4:1-10 King James Version (KJV) (Btw I'd say that in reading these verses "devil" could be interpreted as meaning corrupted ego and have about the same meaning) 1 Then was Jesus led up of the Spirit into the wilderness to be tempted of the devil. 2 And when he had fasted forty days and forty nights, he was afterward an hungred. 3 And when the tempter came to him, he said, If thou be the Son of God, command that these stones be made bread. 4 But he answered and said, It is written, Man shall not live by bread alone, but by every word that proceedeth out of the mouth of God. 5 Then the devil taketh him up into the holy city, and setteth him on a pinnacle of the temple, 6 And saith unto him, If thou be the Son of God, cast thyself down: for it is written, He shall give his angels charge concerning thee: and in their hands they shall bear thee up, lest at any time thou dash thy foot against a stone. 7 Jesus said unto him, It is written again, Thou shalt not tempt the Lord thy God. 8 Again, the devil taketh him up into an exceeding high mountain, and sheweth him all the kingdoms of the world, and the glory of them; 9 And saith unto him, All these things will I give thee, if thou wilt fall down and worship me. 10 Then saith Jesus unto him, Get thee hence, Satan: for it is written, Thou shalt worship the Lord thy God, and him only shalt thou serve". I'd also say or add that on any spiritual path whether it be Taoism, Buddhism, Hinduism, Abrahamic, humanist, etc.. that in effect similar - although being in different forms, terms, cultures, etc. - temptations are faced and either The "great Tao", Buddha nature, Brahman, God, spiritualized reason is followed by choice or the corruption of ego then proceeds...

"....For him who sees this, reflects on this and understands this, the prana springs from the Self, hope springs from the Self, memory springs from the Self, the akasa springs from the Self, fire springs from the Self; water springs from the Self; appearance and disappearance spring from the Self, food springs from the Self, strength springs from the Self; understanding springs from the Self, meditation springs from the Self, consideration springs from the Self, will springs from the Self; mind springs from the Self speech springs from the Self, the name springs from the Self the sacred hymns spring from the Self the sacrifices spring from the Self—ay, all this springs from the Self." -- Read more at: http://www.yogananda.com.au/upa/Chandogya_Upanishad02.html

Jesus gave an a good contextual answer to that line of reasoning, do you remember it?

visiting "nature" shouldn't be like a visit, it should be like being at home...so in that way visiting "the world" should be more like a visit away from home, but for billions of us it's the other way around; and then there are a few who take their natural home with them wherever they go. ;-)

...and there are manipulators who would have us just survive while they steal.

vulnerability per this (op) context is not the way many use or relate to the term... I would normally relate to it as being taken advantage of which is at least problematic.

to the op: if we are doing such things well there will be or should be very little question as to what is next...

This is not exactly on topic but a tangent of sorts and along lines which I think could be translated to other paths or in certain situations: "Behold, I send you forth as sheep in the midst of wolves: be ye therefore wise as serpents, and harmless as doves" Jesus

if one comes to know themselves as the "lifeforce" to which being would they be limited to...

there ain't no getting to non-dualism except by a "return" through dualism...