ShaktiMama

Excellent observation. Spoiled is right or more harshly, why cast pearls before swine? People have to justify/rationalize their excuses at failure. And what safer place to do it than behind a monitor and keyboard? Judge by results. Often harsh but always fair. As if an employer would hire someone based on an internet conversation.

using your unsettled, crazy thinking mind to fix your mind is unwise. it's like walking with a broken leg and believing it performs at optimum function. You wonder why you keep falling down and are in pain? get professional help if you want to really get better. otherwise it is all just mental circle jerking.

It's a metaphor that my students and associates in a shamanic group I led created in 2000 to describe what was happening. So you wont find anything by googling that. This thread is about the political correctness of the pursuit of power. Just thought I would add my personal experiences from the field so to take the thread out of the realm of speculation. I am not interested in rocking the boat amongst the herd...too dangerous. Standing out in a crowd and being different from the status quo is a quick way to invite violence.

.... that's what I do... I take hatchlings/apprentices and turn them into mature dragons. But ya know...don't want to upset the boat here and be accused of advertising my services... All the info you need to get started is there for the googling. But, the wake up call is you need a guide. It's like going on a treasure hunt and finding all the pieces but how do you put them together on your own with such a vague and garbled map? Do you want to sit around with your buddies and speculate or ride with someone who has been there and back? Tribute is required and in modern times that is money or your first born. It makes the difference between being an amateur monday morning quarterback wanker or a professional. No, it doesn't take 30 years of indentured servitude spending time in a bean sprout cave working for some guru or "master" who may or may not initiate/train you once you are done. (that person may not even be able to do it...just talks a good game.)Don't people realize that the idea of "it takes a long time to develop these powers" is an economic manipulative trick to get more money out of people in the guise of being spiritual? It's called "following the rice bowl". You work for the maha guru or ultimate senior master, give them money and your time, and they will portion out spiritual "gems" over the next 30 years. such bullshit...

A couple of comments from my experience as based on having some of these powers or knowing those who do. The problem is equating these powers with advanced spiritual development. They are not. You can be a first class evil jerk and develop those abilities. The sith lord archetype is real. Best to spend time on developing virtues/ethics first. This is why there is emphasis in traditions of developing these traits before training in power energy skills are revealed so that one uses these skills wisely. Take for example the Buddhist Noble Eightfold Path. Learn that first then you will be introduced and trained as a Jedi. They are called subtle energies for a reason. A glock is much more useful in those situations. A subtle energy manuever has the element of surprise. You may only get to use subtle energy once. Then pull out your glock. Remember the scene in Indiana Jones and the sword fight vs the gun? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1qXlFNYoyQg All energy skills have combat applications as well as healing apps. Those who don't know that are confused or uninformed. So of course one would want to develop their abilities as well as they can. The problem is people just see the showman side of it and so discount or disparage all development of such skills. All these abilities are natural for the human being if they are trained well. They are not special. They seem special because people don't like to share info about the training. These are all natural attributes of a human being we have from birth but we are trained out of them by socialization and cultural pressure. Take for example clairvoyance. Don't people want to use all the abilities their bodies were designed to do? Your body is a marvelous instrument. Why not use it at it's full capacity. just speaking from my own personal experiences

you are welcome It is not all KAP bashing. People do ask well meaning questions. I like to answer those. It gets tiring though when people want to beat up on us. But, I am not surprised they do. I can imagine that what we describe as results of the practice sounds so out there people are just incredulous. To us, what seems outlandish is just the normal course of our day. Sometimes I feel like I am living inside a science fiction, adult fantasy movie. The thing about questions is the thirst for more information creates even a bigger thirst. The KAP path is not wholly an intellectual process. It is a doing and empirical process. Do it honestly, follow the directions and there are measurable results quickly. But for people it is easier for them to do mind work, because it is easier to obfuscate their results as effective especially on the internet instead of in a room with their peers and a teacher observing them. That caveat is always in play. Santi and I love to teach. He is excellent with the beginners because he is sooooooo patient and compassionate. I do better with the advanced practitioners and I excell at taking teachers to another level. Santi is good at that too. I usually do my beginning teaching in places like this. It keeps me sharp and helps me to continually re-examine who I am and what I am teaching and why. It helps refinement. This place is tougher than when I speak in a public venue on a stage in front of 50 or so people. It helps me to remain compassionate. Of course, sharing this may make people think that it is open hunting season on me. I reserve the right to know and exercise that not every question deserves an answer. Just when I think I have had enough here, someone pms me for help or someone asks a really thoughtful question. So I stick around but I have to limit my interaction. I have a full life offline. I have a 40 hour a week job as a nurse. I also teach, do coaching, and hypnotherapy for advanced spiritual evolution.

Please don't assume that we don't know what is and what is not nonsense. The more you know...the more you realize that you don't know and the more acute your bullshit detector gets...but the questions one asks and what one seeks to understand are a whole lot different at my age than for someone who is under 40. It's an anatomical fact that the brain does not mature physiologically until about age 25 plus or minus a few years. (Google it. http://bit.ly/6Nodh1 ) That may account for what Blasto(still giggling on that) observes above. And that is not being condescending. It just is what it is. It helps me keep my sense of humor on this board. There are even vast differences between an 18 year old brain and a 25 year old brain. The maturity of one's brain will determine how one processes info. Once you know what to look for it's obvious and it is not always a prudent use of time to engage in discussions because of this lack of physiological maturity. And no, this is not condescending. It just is what it is...like having a certain color of hair or eyes.

Well said... I speak as an licensed RN who also does psychiatric case management for children,adults, and the elderly. I also counsel a lot of people through spiritual crisis or emergency which often is precipitated by kundalini. There is no shame in using medication when you are in an acute phase of an illness. There is no shame in going to get therapy. Meditation, yoga, and chi gung can make these symptoms worse unless you are working with an expert who knows what they are doing. Even modern medical qigong docs will not take in treatment, if they are ethical, patients who are having your symptoms without being in some sort of cooperation with a psychotherapist. Do not take advice from faceless people of the internet who may not have any professional qualifications. It sounds like you are in an acute phase of an illness. This requires more intensive, focused treatment until the acute phase is passing. The fact that you are not following a reasonable path, ie. getting treatment, tells me that your illness is in an acute phase. Traditional western medicine is not without it's pitfalls and hazards but that is true of any health tradition but when things are so out of balance...you need the big guns not subtle energy work. Go today and get help.

so who do you think needs defending here...that can't defend themselves...point them out to me...but then you just told me it is not a good thing to speak out for my students...because they are just mindless robots in my eyes... otherwise you are going to have to fly out to Colorado and follow me around at my job as a nurse and a case manager where I work as a patient advocate. Sometimes I represent and seek justice for the most unloveable people. make up my mind so i know what pleases you best so I can write about it because I am not a mind reader...Ok?

if you are calling me a master...you need your head examined. I have never once made that claim...search my posts...you will find me even often denying that I am enlightened although people will accuse me of claiming that too.... i like talking to people..that's why I am here. there is so much bullshit out there about kundalini so I like to help people understand it better. I get so many pms asking for help... people who want help are too afraid to ask openly because the environment here is so hostile to that which doesn't fit into a particular box of beliefs

eh...*shrugs* we defend those we love, don't we this board is all expressions of opinion..including how we expect our teachers to prove themselves as worthy of our attention....as if we have any right to control that or anything.... if you don't like a teacher...don't read what they write....

Just a couple of things before I start making rounds at the hospital. I have been members of internet forums since the mid 90s. It is really hard to get a handle on people about who they are from email exchanges. It is notoriously one dimensional. It took me a long time to not take things personally because of this. I was in quite a few flame wars in the early days. I will say that Santi writes in caps ALOT...even in his personal emails to his friends. It's part of that exuberance and self confidence that people who are of the fire element have. He also writes in CAPS when he is teaching on skype. I do too or it's a little bit hard to distinguish what you are teaching from student conversation. And when sometimes you have 50 people in a chat room it is necessary to stand out. Like me he does make typos and grammar mistakes. We both type really fast but the brain runs far ahead of the fingers and the kundalini makes us process info differently. People have several types of smiles for sure. There is definately the one that's all the time that I call the "permagrin". I see that a lot in my work with patients and staff. False cheerfulness for politeness sake, smiling through pain and apathy. That's not Santi. He genuinely is happy. Santi is a good teacher. People can be nice and unoffended and unaffected by their surrounding and not be a good teacher. His knowledge about what he speaks is encyclopedic. I suppose he could trot that out but then people would probably accuse him of being a know-it-all pendantic. I know a teacher, Master Jin Fa, a shaolin grandmaster, in Vancouver, BC. He is a 70+ year old Mr. Personality Plus with a huge smile all the time. We call him the James Brown of chi gong because he is so flamboyant and dramatic. It's fun cause he can only speak baby talk english. He really needs a cape and cane. He is also one of the biggest Chi Beasts and terrific healers I have ever met. He also is a very compassionate, traditional Buddhist. We were at the 9/11 site in NYC. He sat down with his prayer beads and prayed for the dead right next to the fence around the hole in the ground. As he prayed it was like the earth opened up and released the souls of the dead. The hole filled with a brilliant light rushing towards the heavens. Gave me goose bumps at 10 AM in the morning. Jin does not take criticism well. He is more of the "fuck it" response and will show off to prove his point. Interestingly enough...Santi is far more compassionate and kind with students than I am. Students know I am more of the no BS kind of teacher. Here it is...get with program...no excuses. Santi is more gentle and will work with someone forever giving them unbelieveable amounts of uncompensated time and attention. I think it is ironic that for me, who has been teaching about kundalini and chi and all the esoteric stuff for so many years to hear someone say "there is no such thing as chi/kundalini/energy anatomy, etc." it is like hearing someone declare the world is flat. It's like saying, to me, "I don't believe in gravity," and then live your life like gravity does not exist. Five thousand years of empirical chinese traditonal medicine is wrong? Any type of higher sense perception...like reading auras or clairaudence or such other psychic abilities...is no guarantee of higher level of spiritual awareness. If that was true we would all be worshiping in the church of online psychics. What it does mean is that a normal ability has been uncovered and enhanced for personal benefit. The third eye is part of our energetic anatomy. Why not use it? Do not equate talent with character. Charles Barkley, the basketball player and world class athelete said, " I am no role model." Talent/ability, like higher sense perception, has no bearing on character or ethics. Look at Tiger Woods for the most current example. Those who think energy talents/abilities are a sign of spirtual character are confused. Part of the Secret Smile is joy, ecstaty and orgasmic feeling as well as calmness. We express where we most naturally lean. There is a big age gap of about 18 years between me and Santi. I have worked with and taught with a lot of older masters of energy, meditation, martial arts, etc. over the years, Santi is the real deal. For example, I taught a few seminars with Master Jin Fa. Santi brings a lot to the table in spite of his age. He may come across a little less refined on an email board but the masters I have worked with would consider spending time on this forum a waste of time and a lot of bullshit. I think the best advertisement for a teacher is their students. Unfortunately, those of our students who are also on bums, probably won't post here. Once kundalini development starts the student becomes hypersensitive to energy and it can be physically painful to read emails here, particularly the hostile ones. It, and I speak from personal experience, can feel like you are being punched in the gut. It takes time to develop a practice of energetic hygiene and to strengthen the wei chi field to handle these kinds of energetic invasions and assaults. The other reason is probably because they know that defending their teacher will fall on deaf ears. People will automatically think the student is not capable of independent thought if they say something nice as if a person is capable of independent thought who says something nasty. It's a waste of energy because people who hate or dislike Santi for whatever reason are not open to reason. Here is video of Master Jin demonstrating the mudras for the Nine Esoteric Seals. You will also see him do chi transmission to his students which causes them to do spontaneous chi gung. Off to make rounds...s

I hope, GIH, that I will learn more about you than your facility with words and your mental agility. How you bring that brain of yours down into the real world would be fascinating instead of creating evasive maneuvers to justify what you bring to this board. Lots of people bullshit in the pub. That's often why they go to the pub because no one is going to look too close at your credentials as you expound on how you are going to save humanity from itself. That is typical conversation in the pub. But when the lights go off and we walk home...what is different about the world? Do they remember how particularly sparkling and razor edged we are in our arguments through the beer fog? Or do people love themselves and their world a little bit more? Maybe it is just a function of our youth. When we are young all most people have is their words and their brain. As they grow older one accumulates experiences that temper and refine the words in a way that only experience can. I knew a croatian yogi who was like you. Very facile, mentally acute, early to mid 20s. Always quick to judge to having the best knowledge about everything. Delighted in his own ability to move quickly through philosophical arguments and point out the errors of other's thinking and logic in his own opinion. Absolutely and irrevocably convinced that he was perfect in every way in a 3D expression and we were all lacking and needed his help to live better and more freer lives. Demonstrated a perfect gracelessness in attacking the person as well as their beliefs. Then he got a girlfriend and began having regular sex. Then he married his girl friend and had a child. His whole thought process has been softened. Still acutely inquisitive but now much more gentle and less judgmental. More forgiving and not needing to change how other people think and see the world as his personal mission. just sharing from own thoughts and experience...

nice contribution. thank you

wow...you really have me all figured out, don't you? *teasing* apathy and equanimity are not the same.... i am surprised you did not point that out in your discussion of being offended..... so how would you compare righteous indignation with being offended?

without having watched the videos...not enough time I believe in those things that serve me... like gravity and chi which exist whether I believe in them or not... Reality is what happens when you no longer believe in it. ( i forgot who said that) your maya may vary

curious how you know bob values one more than the other. why is it apparent? isn't this just speculation about what might bob do? not everyone goes into a fit of rage when they discover something is offensive. instead might not he go within and examine where this feeling came from? maybe he just says to himself, "interesting...i felt a little offended by that...I wonder why? that certainly is amusing." and he laughs at himself. maybe bob values contemplation and amusement at himself when he screws up rather than losing his mind in a fit of rage... I know I do. just speaking from my own experiences of how silly my being offended is...

how peaceful that feels...thank you for sharing that....

Tell me what delights you and I will tell you who you are.

One day he was sitting on my couch and he said to me, "I can't really believe I wrote that book or a lot of things that I have written. I am not that smart." I just smiled at him. I know what he means. I feel like that a lot about some stuff that I have written..."who IS this person?"

Both cats...when annoyed at me...for example, when i pick them up to keep them from running out the door into the apartment hall...will shock me with chi from their bellies. The older one has a stronger current than the younger one. It is quite different from the static electricity buzz you get from petting them. It borders sometimes on painful. I had a former student once tell me two stories about his cat. When the cat stalked prey in the grass he could see it go invisible...as in disappear..not hiding in the grass. The other story he told is that he was having a dream and his cat was dying. It was dying of starvation, getting thinner and thinner. He opened up his eyes and across the room he saw his cat by the empty food bowl staring at him. My first cat told me his name. Both my cats are strays that chose me before they were one year old. The first cat...i did not name right away because i couldn't think of something appropriate. I did call him Sweetie, though. One day we were rubbing foreheads...he had a real intense third eye buzz that was cool to feel. Then I heard this voice shouting in my head..."MY NAME IS HUNTER!" He has been Hunter ever since. My other cat's name is Gary. It just seemed to fit. Dr. Glenn Morris really liked Hunter. I have only had Gary for a year. Hunter liked to be in the room when Glenn and I were teaching at my place. He would curl up behind Glenn on the couch, lay on his back with his feet in the air next to Glenn's lower back, purring like mad. Animals really like Glenn's chi. Glenn used to raise miniature Siamese.

He told me that he wished he had named it something else because it really didn't describe what the book was about.