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Hi BP133, Interesting that you always associate the number 37 with the Flying Phoenix. I like your argument for the mythic meaning and representation in that photo. Answer to your questions as to the minimum repetitions for various types of Flying Phoenix Meditations: A. For Bending the Bows: the recommended (classical) no. of reps. that GM Doo Wai taught our group in the early 90's is 18. One can do more or less, depending on time available for practice. B. For the stationary standing meditations such as Monk Gazing At Moon, Monk Holding Peach, and Monk Holding Pearl: minimum duration of 5 minutes was taught by GM Doo Wai when we were first learned them. Throughout the all years of my personal practice (27 so far), I have kept to that minimm duration of 5 minutes. When I teach them in classes and workshops, depending on the healing effects of the meditations and the depth of the jhanic absorption that I observe in the students, I often will extend the practice of any one of them to 10 and even 15 minutes. [This past Saturday at World Tai Chi & Qigong Day celebration at Eastover Estate, after a demo of an 8 Sections Combined Form and William Chen's Yang sword form, I led the audience of about 60+ in practice of a Bok Fu Pai standing meditation (90 60 40 30), followed by 5 minutes each of Monk Gazing At Moon and Monk Holding Peach.] C. For all the Monk Serves Wine seated meditations (last 3 on Vol.2 and all 5 on Vol. 7 dvds) the standard and classical number of repetitions is seven. I've found that 7 rounds ensures that your practice of any particular MSW Meditation imparts maximum energizing and rejuvenating effect with FP Healing Energy being most tangible throughout the body and especially in the brain. and 7 repetitions for the last three meditations on DVD 2. When i do the second and third meditations on DVD 7 i do 3 repetitions as they take a long time for me to do. Of course you can do less than 7 rounds for shortage of time. But be sure to take 3 deep breathes to end all FP Meditations. But make time to do 7 rounds for each MSW meditation. You will not regret it. Cheers, Sifu Terry Dunn www.taichimania.com/chikung_catalog.html

TL, Thanks for the aeronautical bend and view--but in this case, aka the ultimate party-pooper. I knew it had to be a metal craft, but the shape and angle of the fiery wings befuddled me. So I just blithely went with Sifu Hearfield's mystical proposition. Then when you mentioned "737", I remembered the vertical wing tips of the Flying Phoenix-- I mean some versions of the 737 that I've ridden on--and, in a genuine Aha moment, I finally see the 737 banking right with the sun reflected on its left side. Thus the mystery was solved and I recovered from my blissful lapse into hyper-suggestibility. Alas. Sifu Terry Dunn

Sharing a post that Sifu Garry Hearfield, my Bok Fu Pai classmate under GM Doo Wai, made to my Facebook Page yesterday: https://www.disclose.tv/fiery-phoenix-like-creature-recorded-over-colorado-314684 His note: "Terence Dunn caught you flying around (leaked footage) 😁" My reply : "Thanks, Sihing. Yep, they caught my beginner student on video doing her thing in Colorado. 🤣🙏🐼💥"

Hello FP practitioners, I want to report in addition to practicing "Moonbeam Splashes on Water" (Vol.3) and the FPHHCM Long Form (Vol.4) on a daily basis, over the past 4 weeks--since just before the start of the last mercury retrograde cycle, I have been practicing three seated Monk Serves Wine meditations (full sets of 7) every other day over the past 3 weeks. I have been doing various combinations of the MSW meditations, drawn from Volume 2 and Volume 7 and few others not yet published. I do theses sets of 3 MSW's seated usually in the morning before starting the workday, taking 40 to 55 minutes. Each time feeling the reserve of FP Healing Energy increase and each time seeing blue light internally ranging from dark dull soft midnight blue (more often) to an elating flourescent sky powder blue (once in a blue moon--no pun on "blue" intended). Also the usual physical symptoms from FP practice that I and others have reported in the past are manifest after each practice session: feeling relaxed and rejuvnated, surface of the brain feels uniformly "charged", and the grey hair count is definitely smaller each time. And each time after I through my day's agenda mentally while in FP Meditation (during the resting breathes), the entire agenda gets executed throughout the day on "auto-pilot"--with straining to remember any part of the TO DO list. In addition to these "normal" effects of FP practice, I also experienced these salient effects, which I don't believe I've written about and I recall anyone posting about yet: hair on the head, beard, fingernails and toenails growing noticeably much faster--in fact, growing like crazy. With hair and beard thicker. I hope you all are progressing nicely in your regular FP practice--"slow and easy is the Way"-- and are attaining and enjoying such noticeable and verifiable benefits. Carry on! Sifu Terry www.taichimania.com/chikung_catalog.html

Hello David, Thank you for posting your detailed explanation what aphantasia is and how it makes your life difficult relative to those that do not have the condition. Like other subscribers who have responded with understanding and support, I want to encourage you to continue posting any questions you have about FP Qigong practice and try to share with the thread your further experiences with FP Qigong practice, even though you've said that you don't remember experiences outside of your inner dialog. But you might keep a note pad and pen nearby each time you practice and jot down anything that immediatly comes to mind after your practice. I'm sorry for taking so long to reply to your posting but I had to read it a few more times and also to read your dialog with Aeran on page 186 to try to better understand some of the things you are experiencing while practicing FP Qigong. Another example would be if you were to ask me to form a mental picture of a scene such as a sunset setting over the ocean. My inner dialogue can piece together descriptions of what that might be like, but I have no ability whatsoever to perceive any sort of mental image of that scene, so any form of meditative contemplation requiring holding a mental image is impossible for me. The only way for me to remember a number with more than three figures is to hear it with my internal dialogue. Based on this example of your inability to form mental images. I can say with utmost certainty that this inability is not a major handicap in terms of FP Qigong practice because as everyone knows of the system, no visualization is necessary to do any of FP Meditations. And this fact makes FP Qigong--amongst the universe of Qigong systems and yogas--probably one of the more suitable and beneficial for you and others with aphantasia. Conversely, the breath sequencing system used in FPCK is very difficult for me, because the bliss experience interferes with my inner dialogue, and I have no way to remember which breath I am on and often have to start over. It also means that in order to remember the meditation forms, they must be committed to muscle memory, but if I leave sufficient time between practice sessions to forget any part of the form, then I will have to relearn it, Try writing down the breathing formula for each FP Meditation on paper. And then perform the breath control sequence by reading it with your eyes open. Then close your eyes and do the meditation (except for Monk Gazing At Moon, of course). While keeping the eyes open during the breath control sequence is not optimal, it is most important just to get it done. (Similarly, while it is absolutely not optimal to speak while doing the breathing sequences, because I have been doing FP Qigong for so long and because I teach it four times a week, I often talk my classes through each breathing sequence as I do the breathing and the meditation with them, speaking tersely and while doing the breath controls as best I can.) *I don't know if this has any effect with you or others with aphantasia, but with the general population, writing down the material or instructions that one wants to remember in one's own handwriting script will put the information into the brain to some degree depending on the person. This works especially well when done just before on falls asleep. Handwriting is an ideo-motor response, such that one's personality can be accurately analyzed by a graphologist, and conversely, through handwriting the material, a person can take in external information that one wants to memorize or program the mind with a set of instructions and have it executed the next day automatically by the subconscious. Such "programmed instructions" can be to do anything, including to recall information that one has seen or heard or movement or sensations that one has felt. ...thus I have probably forgotten more IMA and Gongfu forms than most people have learned in a lifetime, and they are gone forever, because there is no means to recall them from memory. Perhaps you can imagine how frustrating a life like this can be, and how this can lead to severe depression? I can't imagine how frustrating and exhausting not being able to remember forms of physical movement abd other specialized physical skills that one wants to remember or information about the world around oneself to this extent can be. But this is something that you can set up and do if you have the resources... so that you can practice the entire FP Qigong system and derive a very high percentage of his salient health benefits: A) Play the CKFH DVD volumes on a large TV monitor and do the breath control sequences by reading the instructions on the DVD or by closing the eyes and listening to my verbal instructions of the breath controls that i give when I lead the final round of practice for each FP Meditation. DON'T WORRY AT ALL ABOUT DOING THE BREATH CONTROL SEQUENCES FROM MEMORY. THE GOAL IS TO SIMPLY PERFORM THE BREATH CONTROLS AND THEN DO THE POSTURES OR POSTURES WITH MOVEMENTS. JUST DOING THE FP MEDITATIONS THIS WAY, SLOWLY AND STEADILY, FROM FIRST EXERCISE OF VOL.1 ALL THE WAY TO THE END OF VOLUMES 4, 5, OR 7 WILL ENABLE YOU TO DERIVE SIGNIFICANT HEALTH BENEFITS, WHETHER YOU FEEL THEM AND REMEMBER THEM OR NOT. While not optimal, there should be no negative effects whatsoever from practicing this way. B ) Do the moving FP meditations with eyes with squinting--almost closed--but just enough to follow the DVD instruction. Eventually, do more and ore sections of each moving meditation with your eyes closed, peeking at the DVD whenever necessary. As many a subscriber has said about FP: "Just do it". In your case JUST DO IT anyway you can working around your handicap. C) If you can afford the expense of a second TV monitor (and this is something, btw, that any FP practitioner can do): set up a video camera to shoot your own practice of the FP Qigong as you watch and follow a CKFH DVD. And set up the second monitor (receiving the live feed of your practice) alongside the monitor displaying the CKFH DVD. This is relative easy to do with a smartphone camera and Facebook: you can do a live stream of your camera footage through any Facebook account. In this manner you can more closely follow and mimic my form on the DVD's and get maximum benefit from each Meditation, given your aphantasia. Again, there should be no negative effects from practicing this way. Of course, you can learn any martial art, any yogic, art, any movement art with this type of one camera + two tv monitor set-up, as long as you get DVD or streamed footage of a high-level master or expert who adequately demonstrates the true art. Always try to get the source material from the source! Best of luck in your practice. And remember: the best cure for depression is activity. Sifu Terry Dunn

Hi Earl Grey, Thank you for your update on your nice results from your practice following our last FP session. Glad you are doing the Vol.5 "flash" meditations and doing them more slowly and as round as possible. There is also now a sphere or egg-shaped object I feel energetically that automatically corrects my form in Flying Phoenix and I see it carry over to my Tai Chi and Liuhebafa training. It is as though I am manipulating a sphere within, around, and in front of me at all times whenever I move. The entire FP System is based on a perfected Monk Gazing At Moon posture. All the other moving meditations build upon that, including the Vol.5 meditations. Some internal Chinese martial art systems call the ideal shape/form: the "golden bell." Glad to hear that the "golden egg" you feel is being carried over into your Tai Chi and LHBF I had a lot of Wuji training since 1980 primarily due to my year of seminal training with Master Bow Sim Mark in Boston, so for me, it was more of a "meeting half way" between FP's golden egg and the Tai Chi Wuji shape/form. I had a great depth of wuji in my mind-body prior to learning FP Qigong. But once I had practiced FP for about one year, everything dramatically changed in my Tai Chi and LHBF. I remember so well that after I had practiced a complete set of "Bending the Bows" (18 rounds) for just a few consecutive days (3 or 4), my Tai Chi dramatically changed. My practice of the 37 Form and 108 Form became much more effortless. It was as if they would do themselves. Also, during Temple Guardian Standing at Entrance, a friend came by and saw me standing there and began doing Zhan Zhuang Embrace the Tree in front of me, then said something strange about me was going on as he observed. My skull became deeper and face became wolf-like, as my eyes were closed but looked like they were open and piercing him. How interesting. Explanation: As a function of his own Zhan Zhuang practice and personal predilection, your friend was able to "see" you as the whole of you--or the all of you--meaning your karmic lives all intersecting in the NOW. A condition that is always visible to one who can see. While you were doing Guardian Standing At the Gate, you were in a relaxed, integrated state. Your friend was able to see a couple of your karmic past lives (or perhaps even progressions!) also possibly because you two have been karmic friends--i.e., friends in past lives. For me, this was also true of crossing-paths with what turned out to be fellow martial artists in past lives. When I have come upon my karmic friends in this lifetime for the first time, the recognition was mutual and instantaneous (at first sight). And in the case of a couple of my karmic close friends, including one of my most important teachers in this life , the initial recognition, where the feeling was mutual spontaneous elation, was during phone calls at great distances before we had met in person-- one of which was at a distance of 3,000 miles across the country. In previous sessions when we would all stand in a circle for basic Zhan Zhuang, he and another student would observe things like my hair becoming golden (not blond, but gold) and eyes and face changing or body size increasing, or seeing my body look like it was the cosmos, as though they could enter my body and float amongst the stars. Your friend's seeing one of your karmic lives with eyes bulging while your present incarnation was doing the "Guardian" meditation with eyes closed is very typical of seeing past lives. E.g., in one of many of our Tao Tan Pai healing study groups in the late 70's and early 80's led by favorite teacher, the late Master John Davidson, I would see each of my classmate's karmic past lives change on their face and superimpose on their "normally seen" bodies--with every couple of breathes--and with vivid visual details such as ancient clothing,an asian bun hairdo on a caucasian guy in this life, a Chinese sword on one's belt, and seen most commonly are: totally different shapes of heads and bodies, and totally different faces. This time in particular was interesting because it wasn't even 15 minutes, and the things he and everyone else would see would be around the one hour mark. "Seeing" is a higher state of consciousness (HSC), to use the term of Daniel Goleman. The more one practices Flying Phoenix Qigong, Taoist Elixir Method Nei Kung or the certain systems of authentic Yoga, the more one steadily perfects one's seeing, and develops greater and greater volitional control to ACCESS to the unconditioned, unfettered mode of perception. For example, once one completes the training in Taoist Elixir Method, one slips in and out of "seeing" modality as required by protect, educate, and elevate one's spirit. There are also natural-born seers who are just blessed (or cursed) with the capacity to see everything in the tonal. This now more than ever makes me want to learn more Bok Fu Pai from Volume 6 (and the whole system while I am at it) and both versions from BFP and FP of the form with the same name Child Praying to Goddess for Mercy. I was also excited because I did the fifth flash meditation that was the Bat Din Gum form and after doing it for six minutes it felt like my body hardened and had been doing Iron Shirt Qigong. • EG, Nice that you were able to experience the very different energy cultivated by the last standing meditation (from the BDG system) on Volume 5. Yesterday, I also reached a milestone for practice of the long form. I began my afternoon session after a long nap with Basic Seated Meditation 5% 60% 80% 40% 30% (which I nicknamed "Tuning The Universal Intellect") for about 10 minutes. Great name that you coined for this meditation! I may have to license it from you to use in future DVD programs. As I have stated regularly on this thread, the first first three exercises-- "basic preparatory seated meditations"--on the Volume 2 DVD are anything but "basic" compared to the universe of Qigong exercises that exist and especially compared to those that have been published. For the past 6 months, at teh end o feachof my 90- minute Tao Tan Pai-31 classes, I lead students in 2 of these 3 "preparatory Monk Serves Wine mediations" to allow them to compare and contrast. Without exception, everyone is startled by the intensity and power of these "basic" meditations. Afterwards, I did the flash meditations from volume 5 in order, and averaged 4.5 minutes to 6 or 7 minutes each. I then did long form MSW at about 11 minutes, then for standing long form from volume 5, I thought I would get a good 10-12 minutes for my average before my afternoon appointment, as I wasn't sure if I would move slow enough to beat my best previous time of 16 minutes. I opened my eyes after moving as slowly and gracefully as possible while allowing the form to do itself, and found myself shocked to see that I did the form in 24.5 minutes. Excellent that you took it upon yourself to practice the "flash" meditations on Vol.4 at a slower speed, averaging 4.5 to 7 minutes! I would add to your practice my 2018 nuanced revision of my 2003 video instruction: make your first position on the first meditation (90 80 30 50 40) more round and relax the angle of the wrists a bit. Good job in increasing your practice time for the Standing Long Form Meditation (Vol.4 capstone) from 16 minutes to 24.5 minutes! Lookout Charlie Thomas ("ridingtheox"), Earl Grey is hot after your record of 40+ minutes! Best, Sifu Terry www.taichimania.com/chikung_catalog.html

DSCB57, The 5 advanced seated Flying PHoenix meditations taught on the Volume 7 DVD and the 6 more basic seated meditations on Volume 2 are all part of the complete set of 28 meditations collectively known as "Monk Serves Wine". All of the 24 "Monk Serves Wine" meditations (outside of the 3 "warmup" meditations on Vol.2 and a long 22-movement seated FP meditatoin) are done in sets of 7 repetitions. The MSW meditations on Vol. 7 do NOT have any corresponding static standing meditations on any other volume. They are can be done with any of the standing FP Meditation. The MSW Meditations on Volume 7 do not correspond to and are not necessarily done with any particular standing FP mediation. Four points to remember: 1. All of the FP Meditations--standing and seated--are synergistic with one another. 2. Again, the Long Form STanding Meditation on Vol.4 (FPHHCM) is the capstone exercise that subsumes the practice of all the preceding standing FP Meditiatons. 3. If one has the time, one should all the FP Meditations to an equal extent. I can see the various elements of all the previous meditations contained in each of the Volume 7 meditations, but it seems that aside from the Volume 4 Long form, there is no equivalent standing meditation form at the same level as Volume 7's seated meditations. Is this because Volume 6 was withdrawn? NO. You are trying to construct or attribute too much organization in the FP Qigong system. As stated above, The goal and guiding principle is to practice all of the FP meditatoins (standing and seated) to an equal extent) The meditations on Volume 6 were not Flying Phoenix Meditations. I withdrew the title because those meditations, which I did out o inspiration when I was in STonehenge, England in 1995, were are are too powerful to be taught without in-person supervision. I hope this clarifies and leads to better and more regular practice. Sifu Terry Dunn www.taichimania.com/chikung_catalog.html

Hello AwarenessRules, I'm glad you've experienced positive results from just 15 days of FP practice and have less fatigue. That is a very typical tangible benefit experienced by beginners who suffer from fatigue. Besides relieving fatigue instantly, FP Qigong normalizes one's sleep cycle and ensures more restful sleep. That is another mechanism by which FP Qigong eradicates fatigue from a wide range of stressors. This is the answer to your question about doing two 10 minute rounds of Monk Gazing At Moon: the second procedure you described is the correct one: "take 3 deep breaths then the breath sequence followed by 10 min practice then 3 deep breaths to end the first segment immediately followed by 3 deep breaths then the breath sequence followed by 10 min practice and then the 3 deep breaths to end the 2nd segment." Enjoy your practice and be sure to let the thread know of your further progress. Sifu Terry Dunn www.taichimania.com/chikung_catalog.html

Hi Charlie, Congrats on doing a 39:30 long FPHHCM (Long Form Standing Med.). Breaking or nearing the 40 min. barrier is most impressive and commendable. But bigger congrats on this powerful milestone in your self-regulated healing of your hypertsion and high bp!!: my hypertension is long gone bp av 115/70 w pulse < 60 resting mid morning ... I do this almost daily Don't know which way you are driving 500 mi, but if it's west towards SoCal, I will be back to L.A. the first week in April. I've been in Lenox, MA since last October 6, teaching as master-in-residence at the beautiful Eastover Estate a& Eco-Village. Hope to see you later this year for more FP fine-tuning. Safe travels, Sifu Terry P.S. FYI, and this is relevant to your practice at this time, Charlie: this past month, in my classes and online tutorials for students who have good proficiency on the FPHHCM, I have been emphasizing super-slow practice of the five 90-second standing meditations on Volume 5. In Year One of this thread, some one had described these 5 meditations as "bon-bons". I didn't say anything at the time and just let it go because being in Year One posting, that comment was the voice of a beginner and "sampler" and someone definitely not established in the FP system through mastery of the Volume 4 meditation. • But now I can say that they are ANYTHING BUT "bon-bons"!!! • If one does these 5 meditations slowly and as NATURALLY ROUND as possible (i.e., with perfect form that comes from advanced instruction and practice), one will realize that each one has profound and miraculous effects, given that one has become thoroughly grounded in all the FP meditations in preceding four volumes. If one has a foundation in the FP Qigong system through 18 months or more of regular practice, one can do any one--or more--of the FIRST FOUR Volume 5 to activate the cultivated reserve of FP Healing Qi. But one does need advanced instruction in these meditations to get to this experience and knowledge. There are nuances in their practice that are not obvious in my demonstrations on the Vol.5 DVD. This is simple statement of a plain truth about these 4 meditations, how I presented them in the 2003 DVDs, and how the FP system works--as well as my giving notice now that such instruction is available from yours truly (and has always been a available.) I may produce a short video of my practice of one the Volume 5 meditations for Youtube that shows advanced form. At any rate, try practicing the Vol.5 meditations so that you take 3-4 minutes to do each one, all the while keeping your shape as ROUND as possible and see what you get.

Hi Julian, That was a typo done in haste. I meant MSW#4. My suggestion, if you want to fall asleep right away and sleep longer and more soundly after a good martial workout, is simple: (A) practice the non-BFP qigong, Tai Chi, and TTP-Cane earlier in the day or evening. (B) Substitute MSW2 for MSW1. And then do MSW4 before or after it. (C) Substitute the Monk Holding Peach out in favor of Monk Holding Pearl (supine or seated) Thanks for catching that error. It's now corrected on the original post. "Guardian At the Gate" is a Bok Fu Pai power meditation that was on the old Vol.6 video that I took off the market because the meditations were too powerful to be taught without face-to-face supervision. It is not Tao Tan Pai, but Bok Fu Pai meditation. If you're interested, I can teach you during our next online tutorial. Best Regards, Sifu Terry www.taichimania.com/chikung_catalog.html

Hi Virtue, No, i have not heard of David Berceli's TRE. I am always open to other systems of energy release and balancing, especially if it is able to amplify the benefits of FP Healing Energy. Sifu Terry Dunn

Notice to all FP Qigong practitioners and enthusiasts, this coming March 22-25, I am teaching an immersive 22-hour Flying Phoenix Qigong worshop at thee beautiful Eastover Estate & Eco-Village, a holistic health spa on 600 acres in the Berkshires that is dedicated to providing top quality Chinese Holistic Health arts. Establish your FP Practice like never before. Get all your questions answered. Learn basic healing applications. This is the link to detailed course and registration information: http://www.eastover.com/workshop/flying-phoenix-qigong-with-master-terence-dunn.html Hope to see you there. Sifu Terry Dunn

Hi Aeran, Yep, you did overdo it. It's no wonder that you couldn't fall asleep right away after dong that series of exercises: a. Not knowing your level of Tai Chi, I would say in general that you can practice Tai Chi form at night and it shouldn't hinder sleep. b. Tao Tan Pai Cane form is dynamic and invigorating and is best done in the morning to start the day or any time during the day for strength. It is definitely not a sleep-inducer to be done before bedtime. c. Guardian at the Gates is a powerful energizer -- not an FP Meditation. Again, don't do this one at night if you intend to sleep. d. This sequence of four meditations: Wind Above Clouds - MSW1 - MHPeach - MSW4 -- is not optimal for inducing sound restful sleep because the first three are more energizing than sedative!! "after doing some non-BFP Qigong, Taiji and TTP cane I did Guardian at the Gates - Wind Above Clouds - MSW1 - MHPeach - MSW4" So what you did was practice more than 8 internal exercises in a sequence. The problem is that SEVEN of them (you didn't specify what kind of "non-BFP Qigong" you did or how many them you did; so I will count that as one "mediation") are adrenalin-stimulating exercises. Definitely non-sedative are the following in your 8-part sequence: non-BFP Qigong, Taiji and TTP cane I did Guardian at the Gates - Wind Above Clouds - MSW1 - MHPeach - MSW4 Your first four meditative exericses--"non-BFP, Taiji, TTP Cane and Guardian at Gates" are individually highly energizing martial exercises. This 4-part sequence itself is not only powerful and intensifying, but you capped it off with the very powerful Guardian At Gates, which amps up further the energy cultivated before it! Following this first set of 4 exercises with Wind Above Clouds, MSW1, MHPeach and MSW4 will definitely NOT bring down the cultivated martial Qi but rather maintain its levels. This is because Wind Above Clouds and MHPeach are generally relaxing meditations but both of them can stimulate adrenalin flow and thus have the opposite effect of keeping you up and charged. • Monk Holding Peach causes all sorts of vibratory states, tremblings, bouncings and jostlings and can cause many small surges of adrenalin--especially if you've experienced the involuntary deep bending forward at the waste and bobbing back up reaction (you know, what I've described in the past as "being in front of the Wailing Wall in Jerusalem"). I would therefore substitute in Monk Holding Pearl (done in supine or seated position--not standing) for the Monk Holding Peach. • Wind Above Clouds is generally relaxing, but for many people the bending and shifting while pent over at the waist also will stimulate adrenalin flow. You are literally squeezing your adrenals when you do WAC correctly at slow speed. Adrenalin is being smoothly secreted and the heart mind is keeping calm and serne So while it's a relaxing stretching meditation, it's not optimal for inducing sleep. •MSW1 is not a sedating meditation. It is a mild "waker-upper" My suggestion, if you want to fall asleep right away and sleep longer and more soundly after a good martial workout, is simple: (A) practice the non-BFP qigong, Tai Chi, and TTP-Cane earlier in the day or evening. (B) Substitute MSW2 for MSW1. And then do MSW4 before or after it. (C) Substitute the Monk Holding Peach out in favor of Monk Holding Pearl (supine or seated) So you are left with doing only MSW2 and MSW3 and Monk Holding Pearl (Pearl in supine of half lotus position) right before you sleep. And you can do plenty of quiet sitting in between, before and after these 3 FP Meditations as well. If you try the above, you should have no problem falling asleep at the hour that you choose. Enjoy. Sifu Terry www.taichimania.com/chikung_catalog.html

Hi Aeran, I didn't mean to overwhelm you with the extent of my stretching repertoire, but it is a sure-fire effective one. And if you need help with any particular goal in stretching, you might want to do a short consultation so i can do a little intake and then make suggestions--if your flexibility --or lack of --is problem for you. Congratulations on finding relief and a path to more sound and restful sleep through FP Qigong practice. Now this is what I love to see reported as a result of diligent practice. There's nothing more gratifying for me to hear than what you've just posted: Speaking of sitting, I've moved back into integrating MSW3 (Waker) and MSW4 (Sleeper) as morning and evening practices respectively, and the results are amazing. Sleeper is especially dramatic, I think I've yet to practice it and not manage to drop off to sleep within 30 or 40 minutes - usually it's all I can do to put my meditation mat away and crawl under the blankets before I'm out like a light. As a nice side bonus, my dreams have become noticeably vivid and pleasant each night. As a lifelong insomniac and generally unhappy sleeper, this is a pretty incredible shift. I've stopped taking herbal sleeping aids I needed previously and don't dread going to bed each night. Mind-blowing stuff. Fantastic that you are no longer taking herbal sleeping aids--because they all have side effects that may not be immediately known. And yes, better sleep naturally means better dreams!: MSW3 (Waker) is an interesting one. A bit more subtle, for sure. At first I was expecting a caffeine-esque jolt of energy, given how dramatic the effects of MSW4 are, and I spent a while waiting for this to happen. No, FP Qigong doesn't work in jolts or affect consciousness and alertness in jolts--in any way shape or form. It is fast-acting, but still smooth and sublime. That's the truly marvelous and wonderful thing about FP Healing Energy. So far it hasn't, but what I have noticed is that my energy levels have steadied out a lot during the day. I no longer get a mid-afternoon slump, or if I do it's less dramatic, and for the last week or so I've noticed that it seems to create a kind of low key driving "buzz" of FP Qi which circulates through the body and keep me going during the day. So maybe more of a "sleep preventer" than a "waker" - I definitely wouldn't want to try and go back to sleep after doing it. I am interested to see how this effect evolves over time - Congrats again on attaining such excellent health benefits! Energy boosting and smoothing effects!. No mid-afternoon slump is a major accomplishment in any yogic practice. (Most people's mid-afternoon, 4pm slump comes from hypoglycemia and the diet that cause it. ) You've also perfect described the energy from MSW No.3, the "waker upper." a bit more quite accurately as: "The sleep preventer." Yes, you is a soft silent buzzz that prevents one from dozing off. As I posted very early on the thread--I think in Year One, when I gave a good friend of mine who I was visiting in Paris the video cassette version of Vol.2 in the mid-90's, I forgot to tell him not to practice MSW #3 at night. Ay carumba! Poor David was tossing and turning all night couldn't turn his mind off and was absolutely miserable--also waking and worrying his wife next to him intermittently. But he didn't tell me what was happening when it was happening. So he woke up from barely any sleep and totally exhausted. I've noticed that the other FP meditations become more powerful the more you practice them (and sometimes develop new effects entirely), so it's possible the energizing effect will enhance over the coming weeks and months. Yes, there are higher level effects and benefits that set on after one has practiced a lot--years-- of each FP Meditation. Especially the advanced seated Meds taught on volume 7. I've discussed charging of the brain centers, the charging of points all over the surface of the brain closest to the skull bones, the recolorization of hair to its natural color in older men and women, and the very profound clearing up and sharpening of vision. Contrary to what only one person posted in year One, the FP Meditations do NOT plateau or "peak out" once the FP Healing Energy cultivated has had a "saturarting" effect on the body. The end result is that I'm going to sleep at the same time each night and waking up at the same time each morning, give or take an hour my circadian rhythm is actually stable. Sleep has become a nice period of rest between meditations, instead of a source of stress and frustration. Again, I can't state how big a difference this is. I've even started losing the shadows under my eyes I've had as long as I can remember. Good job! Happy for you. Anyway TLDR: If any other FP people have a history of sleep trouble, give this combo a shot. I've tried probably every major treatment protocol for insomnia, and some not-so-major ones, but this is the first that's actually worked comfortably. I'm really damn stoked. No, NOT "TL" at all. and "DR" ! Thanks for reiterating this combination of practice: "Monk Serves Wine #3 in the morning and "MSW #4 (50 20 10)--first exercise on Volume 7 DVD right before going to bed. Also, as I've suggested, you can also include MSW #2 (50 40 30 10) on Volume 2 in your evening sleep-inducing practice...or once substitute it in for MSW#4 for variety. MSW# is beautiful and it gets more beautiful and natural with practice. Again, good job, Aeran. And thanks for sharing! Sifu Terry Dunn www.taichimania.com/chikung_catalog.html

Hello GreytoWhite, Thank you for posting the link to this footage. Grandmaster Seming Wong's kung fu system that he inherited from his grandfather, the great GM Ark Yue Wong is one of the oldest and original Shaolin Temple arts. We practitioners call this art Southern Sil Lum (Shaolin) Five Animals Kung Fu. It originally mimicked the movements of the 5 animals--tiger, dragon, leopard, snake and crane. To keep the historical record straight, the Buddhist creators of this art did not combine 5mother existing animal-based Kung Fu styles to create it. Also known as the "Five Formed Fist" or Five Family Fist"(Ng Ga Kin). It was conceived of 5 distinct animal fighting arts combined into one. Other single-anmal Kung Fu styles either evolved independently of Shaolin 5 Animals kung Fu or devolved from it. I studied this art from 1975 to 1983 from two teachers (one of them Master Douglas Wong [no relation to GM Ark Wong]) who studied under GM Ark Wong and from Master Albert Leong, later a highly successful Hollywood stuntman and action actor, who learned 5 Animals Kung Fu directly from GM Ark Wong alongside his friend, Seming Wong. Throughout the 70's and 80's, Al Leong swept the trophies and medals in forms competitions at all martial arts tournaments with his Sil Lum Combination First Form and his self-created Kuan Dao (halberd) form. His were the favorite Kung Fu demonstrations of American Kenpo karate founder Ed Parker who always asked Albert to demonstrate at his annual International Karate Tournament in Long Beach. I do not consider myself a master of So. Sil Lum 5 Animals Kung fu. But I practice and preserve one of the capstone forms of this art: the 350-movement "Five Animals Form", which begins with a salutation with 70 movements/techniques that itself has an introduction of 14 movements that demonstrates 2-4 movements of each of the 5 animals in this order: tiger, dragon, leopard, snake and crane. The rest of the form's salutation features a tiger sequence followed by crane sequence. Then the actual Form itself consists of 32 dragon movements, 73 tiger movements, 81 snake movements, 66 leopard movements, and 68 crane movements. Yes, GM Seming Wong demonstrates advanced body mechanics unique to 5 Animals Kung Fu style-- conditioned over a lifetime of practice. High athleticism is inherent and built into this classical system's forms and martial applications. Advanced practice is also shamanistic, where one imbues oneself with not just the energy but the spirit of each of the five animals while he plays or "acts" each one. Each of the five animal forms condition and highly develop a corresponding aspect of the human physiology: bones, muscles, sinews, energy, and spirit (shen). Each of the five animals moves energy differently in terms of physics on the plane of mental control. For example, the Snake style enables one to focus and deliver energy to a point in space. I personally witnessed Grandmaster Ark Wong during downtime after a demo our school (Sifu Doug Wong's) did in in Las Vegas in 1977, "enlighten" a younger classmate of mine, Juan Ferlini, but pointing his "snake hand" at Juan's "third eye" and most lightly and softly touching the center of his brows, caused Juan to pass out on the bed in the hotel room briefly. btw, if you want to recover from any kind of meditation burn-out and try a authentic Taoist monastic system of healing Qigong, visit the lively worldwide discussion thread here on daobums on Ehrmei Mountain Flying Phoenix Heavenly Healing Chi Kung ("Fei Feng San Gung"). It's been going on for 9 years, 660,000+ views and 4,530+ postings. I am the sole 7th generation preserver of Flying Phoenix Qigong and have been answering all questions posted on this thead since it was founded by an very enthused practitioner using my DVD series. Thanks again for posting. Most refreshing to see GM Seming's form. Sifu Terry Dunn

Frederic, I am not familiar with the meditations you've described by their breath control sequences and with those names, although I do know a couple of meditations in the 10,000 Buddhas Meditation System that has that exact breath control sequence. I do know that those meditations you speak of are not purely healing meditations. So because of their full or partial martial potential, I will not comment, teach, or demonstrate them OUT OF CONTEXT--i.e., I will not teach anyone more about them unless they are either my student or have been trained by a certified senior Bok Fu Pai instructor that I respect, such as Sifu Garry Hearfield. In general, I don't want to spend much time on this thread talking about Bok Fu Pai martial art meditations that have no relevance to Flying Phoenix Qigong training. I barely have enough time to manage to answer questions about FP Qigong practice that are posted every week by active practitioners. The Bok Fu Pai family of internal arts is vast and if someone raises a question about a basic or advanced FP Qigong meditation, I may answer questions about it. I may talk about the history and application of other Bok Fu Pai internal martial arts during an exchange on this thread with a peer such as Sifu Garry Hearfield, as I have in the past, but in general, I am not here to demonstrate how to do martial meditations that are taught on a video that I have never seen and which is presume is an advanced meditation-by its exorbitant price. At least for buyers' sake, I hope the product contains advanced material. I know and practice that "Healing Detox Meditation" demonstrated by GM Doo Wai on the video that's posted on Youtube. It is a nice healing meditation, and I have considered doing a 60 or 90= minute long DVD program breaking down that meditation and making it easier to learn. But that is not a high priority on my very full video production slate. Besides, I think that GM Doo Wai's demonstration is quite sufficient for the general public. In response to your suggestion that I to make videos demonstrating advanced Bok Fu Pai martial art meditations that are NOT directly relevant to Flying Phoenix Celestial Healing Qigong training and make it available free on Youtube or sell them through Vimeo, my answer is a NO. That is not my philosophy or practice. I teach intermediate and advanced Kung Fu students all the time--but in person. I do not and will not teach advanced martial Qigong on either a free or commercial video--whether it's Bok Fu Pai or Tao Tan Pai, or 8 Sections Combined. But if you wish to do a private online (Skype) tutorial to go over the Bok Fu Pai meditations you mention that you're presently trying to learn from the video you bought from that website, I would be glad to examine your practice and, first of all, tell you whether you should be practicing that material or not. If it looks like the material is suitable for you and that you would do well with it, given your background and experience, I would be glad help you learn the material. But if the material is too advanced for you, I would tell you what you would need to do to advance to the point where learning that particular exercise would be worthwhile. Everyone buying relatively expensive videos from unauthorized--or even authorized Bok Fu Pai--websites should think about these couple of very important classical adages in Chinese martial arts that I've discussed several times on this thread. The first one is: "When you are ready, the material will be made available to you." That is, it will be literally given to you. You won't have to buy it at great expense and then wonder how to use it! The second truth is: "The wrong person with the correct teaching (the truth) will still not benefit from it. But the right person even with the wrong exercise (incomplete) will still make it work and derive benefit." You had posted: And are very nice. I wish I knew more about them, where they are from, from what larger BFP system, what level, etc. That info that you're asking about should be on the video to begin with. That such basic info is not included in the video is a sign that the footage might have been gotten by the purveyor by illicit or dishonest means. Also, the first one is 9 meditations combined together? Can we identify those 9 and practice the separately? Having not seen the video, I have idea what you are talking about with regards to 9 meditations combined and wheter you can practice them separately. Frederic, and everyone else out there reading this: please let's try to stick to the subject of Flying Phoenix Qigong on this thread. Regards, Sifu Terry Dunn

Hi Aeran, I was following your conversation with Joolian about the content of your FP practice sessions and the resulting nice progress you've made in terms of flexibility as well. If you're interested in a stretching regimen, I teach a comprehensive and very systematic stretching regimen that can run 45 to 70 minutes. It's primary emphasis is on legs, hips, spine and as opposed to upper extremities. I distilled this stretching regimen from the stretching exercises I learned starting in the 70's from: A. my 8 years as a competitive gymnast (thru high school and college) B. Sifu Doug Wong (So. Sil Lum 5 Animals/ White Lotus KF)--extreme flexibillty achieved. C. Master Bow Sim Mark (1980): D. Master George Xu's Qing Dynasty Imperial Guard Exercises - that several generations of his students are versed in. I learned them during his workshops in the late 80's at the San Diego Taoist Sanctuary. E. a few of GM Doo Wai's numerous internal warm-up & stretching routines--e.g two meditations excerpted from the 8 Sections of Energy Combined system that are done in sets of 9 repetitions. (A through D comprised the stretching regimen that passed muster with the L.A. Lakers, as I trained that 2000 -2001 championship team in it throughout that season at the start of every home practice.) Sifu Terry Dunn www.taichimania.com/chikung_catalog.html

Bruce, the terms Shen Gong and San Gong are not "dialectial varients" ot each other, in either dirction. Shen gong is cultivation of the shen energy. e.g., Shen gong is a powerful subsystem of Qigong exercises in the Tao Tan Pai (Taoist Elxiir Method) and other systems that specifically train the shen-qi. All of the Tao Tan Pai 31 Basic Meditations (first level of the TTP System) embody and utilize shen gong principles. San Gong means Heavenly or Spiritual Work/Cultivation. (Just as "San Da" means "Spiritual Boxing"--the rarest of all kung fu--for the practitioners from monks and priests or others initiated in monastic traditions such as Huashan that practice spiritualism, which I described years ago on this thread.) Enjoy your practice of Feng Do Duk's San Gong 10 exercises. It's a powerful and authentic set of Meditations. It is definitely not Flying Phoenix Qigong for it cultivates a distinctively different energy. Best, Sifu Terry Dunn

For FP Qigong practitioners and thread subscribers in the Berkshires area of Massachusetts and surrounds, such as Albany and eastern New York: For the next 8 Saturdays, from 4:30 pm to 6pm, I will be teaching a new series of FP Qigong class (Basic level) at the excellent Sruti Berkshire Yoga Center at 33 Railroad Street in the lovely town of Great Barrington. Fee is $35 per class. Sifu Terry Dunn

Hi Bruce Qi, You're welcome. the names used in FP Qigong and in other Bok Fu Pai arts are important to understand and be clear about--any sort of mental confusion degrades quality of practice and can even lead to accidents and untoward results. No wonder that Confucius had an important doctrine in his philosophy that he called "The Rectification of Names." Thank you for offering to send me the "san gong" meditations that you are working on. I will download them per your PM and view them as soon as i can. It won't be until the weekend because I am presently buried under tons of other work. Best, Sifu Terry Dunn

Hello Bruce Qi, I have not heard GM Doo Wai talk of a qigong art called "San Gong." San Gong is not a specific, detailed by a rather general term that means "spiritual work", "heavenly work", "spiritual cultivation", or "heavenly cultivation". it is the same two characters that appear in "Fei Feng San Gong" or "Flying Phoenix Heavenly Cultivation." Of the ten names of "san gong" meditations that you listed in your post, I recognize seven of them by the exact names used for Meditations in other Bok Fu Pai internal systems. I have highlighted in bold letters the ones whose names I know very well through my own practice, and also have listed in blue the arts to which each one I recognize belongs to: - Child praying to the goddess of mercy - this is name of one of 3 Advanced healing FP Meditations, each one very powerful This one has breathing sequence (60 30 20 10), has 2 parts of movements, each 2-part round is repeated 18 times. - The wind above the waves - this is name of GM Doo Wai's "Healing Qigong Meditation", a standing form you can find on Youtube. - Breeze on top of the trees - Flying Phoenix Qigong - The monk begging for rice - basic posture in Flying Phoenix Qigong - The monk serving a cup of wine - the collective name for all the seated Flying Phoenix Meditations - The monk disrobing - classical martial technique--full name is "Lohan Monk Disrobing"--is found in the Bak Mei, Bok Fu Pai, and Yau Kang Mun Kung fu systems. Technique was originally incorporated into Bak Mei Kung Fu by the great Bak Mei master, Chun Lai Cheung, who had it done to him by a Buddhist monk, who threw him over a wall with it . This is my Bok Fu Pai classmate, Sifu Garry Hearfield, demonstrating it nicely: - The sparrow returning to her perch - Monk gazing at the moon - Flying Phoenix Qigong; this is also name of GM Doo Wai's Healing Detox Meditation seen on Youtube. (I also teach this Meditation): - Clouds above the sky - 8 goddess heavenly form I have no doubt that the "san gong" system you are practicing is authentic, especially since you've said that they are a "truly beautiful" set. Just know that within the Bok Fu Pai tradition and across several of its internal arts, the same names are sometimes used for different exercises/meditations. And, as with the case of "Monk Disrobes," that name and technique is found in at least 3 different kung fu systems that are historically connected. I'm a bit curious as to what the above "san gong" meditations look like. I may be able to tell you more about them if I see them. But I prefer to discuss these with you through back-channel messaging because I know that these San Gong meditations have no relevance whatsover to FP Qigong practice. I know this because GM Doo Wai was very clear in defining the boundaries of each of the internal arts that he taught to me and showing me how distinctly different each one was from the others. Sifu Garry Hearfield can tell you the same thing about Sunn Yi Gung, Tibetan Burning Palm, Golden Mantis, and Ehrmei Mountain Bak Mei Kung Fu and the several other arts that he learned from GM Doo Wai. Thanks for bring up these names, though. Sifu Terry Dunn www.taichimania.com/chikung_catalog.html

Hello FP Practitioners, I am giving a 3 day, 22-hour intensive workshop in Yang style Tai Chi Chuan in the manner of my teacher, Grandmaster William C.C. Chen, at Eastover Estate & Eco-village in Lenox, MA from February 15 to 18. This workshop is my first Tai Chi For Health workshop in many years as I have been focusing primarily on teaching the remarkable Ehrmei Mountain Flying Phoenix Heavenly Healing Chi Meditation Qigong system in recent years. Nonetheless, this is my longest and strongest passion in the Chinese martial arts: teaching Yang Tai Chi Chuan in the Cheng Man-Ching lineage. During this immersive workshop,beginners will learn the complete 60-posture Yang Form of GM William Chen and also learn the basics of Push-Hands (Tui Shou) or Fixed-step Sparring, the laboratory by which one learns the martial applications of Tai Chi Chuan. Intermediate Tai Chi players will do more Push=hands, learn and refine Da Lu (4-corner Push-Hands) and advanced practitioners get to work on moving Push-Hands and up to 3 Yang style straight sword forms, if they bring their swords, of course. So y'all bring your swords. Hope to see you there! Details and registration information: http://www.eastover.com/workshop/terence-dunn-taichi-for-health.html http://www.eastover.com/workshop/terence-dunn-taichi-for-health.html

Hi Virtue, Thank you very much for finding these postings on this thread of links to oral history about the origins of FP Qigong and Bok Fu Pai by Feng Tao Teh! I wanted to compare the online versions with the oral histories that GM Doo Wai had told to me and to Sifu Garry Hearfield. Best, Sifu Terry Dunn P.S. I will reply to your most recent postings shortly!

LDMB, To tell you how much I follow this thread that I started as a Public Service Warning Announcement, I just revisited after 2.5 years and saw your post. Thanks for your correction on the founding date of the Republic of China. I am also impressed that you learned Chinese as an adult. I'm glad your eyes are dry. I didn't start this thread to elicit anybody's tears. As for your comments below in italics, they deserve my response: 1) Total bs. I would rather be deprived of my 'physical necessities and comforts' than have someone beat the snot out of me. That's your stunted worldview, shallow logic, and free will to react as you choose. But someone can be deprived of physical necessities and comforts to a level where one's physical health is damaged to the point of disease, degenerative disease, injury through accident, and even death... And many people robbed of their rightful assets have spiraled down to such an end. No one can "earn" that much money. You can get it, but you can't earn it. Now if you told me that 100% of that money (since, again, you also made other money through your regular sales) was ear-marked for starving children or something, I could shed a tear for you, No one can "earn" that much money Wow. That incredible, reality-denying belief and the very cynical and dismissive-of- if not hateful-of-all-earners attitude behind it should serve you very, very well in life. So how do very wealthy people making millions or tens of millions or billions of dollars a year make their money if they don't "earn" it? All they are thieves? or black magicians? I obviously disagree with your belief that "no one can 'earn' that much money." And i'll use part of my business history as an example. In 1989, I produced on a shoestring budget (less than $25,000 total of savings), two 2-hour programs called Tai Chi For Health Short Form and TCFH Long Form. I pulled off the production by getting lots of favors from friends who were professionals in TV production. TCFH Short Form and Long Form were 2 of the earliest instructional videos teaching Yang Tai Chi and they did so well throughout the 90's such that I was able to quit my corporate job as a management consultant in 1992 and devote my time to producing more instructional videos, and enlarge into producing television and theatrical films. From 1996 to 2003, according to Nielsen Videoscan (an independent market share analysis service) my two DVD titles accounted for 35% of every bar-coded DVD program that had the word "Chi" in its title. On that list of 1,180 execise and fitness DVDs, Tai Chi for Health Short Form as ranked No.100 and the TCFH Long Form title was ranked 120. Hence during that heyday period, I had several years in which my net royalty income from the DVD sales exceeded $1 million. That was money that I EARNED--not just for myself but for my distribution companies (Healing Arts Publishing and then Gaiam), and for every retail establishment, mail order catalog, Reader's Digest, COSTCO, WALMART, airline catalogs, Signals Catalog, and every DVD wholesaler in the industry. None of that gross revenue from millions of Tai Chi For Health being sold would have generated had I not taken the risk and created those programs on my own dime on my own time and having written, directed, produced, and appeared in them as the principal talent. Today, despite the near complete disapperance of brick-and-mortal retail outlets, my Tai Chi For Health titles are still the highest rated and best-selling Tai Chi DVDs on amazon.com and other platforms. Now if you told me that 100% of that money (since, again, you also made other money through your regular sales) was ear-marked for starving children or something, I could shed a tear for you, Not that I ever asked you to shed a tear, but the fact is that during very good years, I have given up to 30% of my net income to carefully selected charities and good causes. One is the Bread and Roses Cafe in Venice, CA which is a restaurant that feeds the homeless while being staffed with homeless people who are learning restaurant industry skills. The others are all educational in function. One is the Teton Science School in Jackson, WY, where every year a scholarship fund I helped found in 1994 takes 48 inner city kids from 2 high schools in L.A. and they get to study science for a month there. Most have never been out of Los Angeles and the positive transformation of their self-image and their life goals and possibilities is nothing short of amazing and miraculous. but "I'm a hard working tai chi guy who practiced for more than a million years" just doesn't cut it. To date, I have been practicing Chinese internal martial arts for 42 years. You have mischaracterized me with words that I have never spoken, written nor conveyed--and alleged AN ATTITUDE I HAVE NEVER COPPED TO ANYONE...just to enable yourself to state that you have no sympathy for my situation. That everything I have written on this thread "doesn't cut it with you" is fine with me. But don't fabricate words and put them in my mouth. I am just not going to cry for you with the kind of money you are making. I NEVER ASKED YOU--NOR ANYONE ELSE-- TO CRY FOR ME AND I NEVER WILL. I STARTED THIS THREAD AS A PUBLIC SERVICE, and yes, also as a channel by which I can vent a little bit BY TELLING THE TRUTH. if you have a problem with its "tone", which you seem to have, you are free to abreact and continue expressing your snide poverty-consciousness and disdain for those people in the world making "that kind of money." In contrast to you, I don't begrudge the wealthy and I do lend sympathy and support to all my friends and allies who have been wronged and cheated in any amount--whether by predatory individuals or corrupt corporations, especially those in the very treacherous entertainment industry that I happen to work in. e.g., Marsha Posner Williams, a successful TV producer and friend who produced in the 90's thee most successful yoga videos in the western world, "Total Yoga" with Ganga White and Tracy Rich (her 2 titles were rated #5 and #6 between 1999 and 2003 out of 1,180 fitness DVD's--just behind the four "Tae Bao" DVDs), told me that she was informed in the most IN YOUR FACE manner by Gaiam, inc., the same distributor that I sued in the year 2000 and by 2003 had gotten my rights to my Tai Chi For Health DVDs back, that they had cheated her out of royalties for one million units of DVD sales that they failed to report to her when they were made. I advised her on her options and shared my experience with her and the remedy I used. The point I make here is THEFT IS THEFT, no matter how much is taken. 3) The tone of your thread comes off as very junior high schoolish. It could have been done differently. Thank you for your opinion about my tone. Sifu Terry Dunn www.taichimania.com/chikung_catalog.html